Intel WiGig - Wireless Docking - Tri-Band 18265

Intel® Tri-Band Wireless-AC 18265
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/tri-band-wireless-ac-18265.html

Intel WiGig Wireless Docking (18265)
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/wireless-products/wireless-docking.html





Various Vendor and Review videos for WiGig Wireless Docking
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Wireless+Docking+Station

Intel® WiGig FAQ
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/w...rk-and-i-o/wireless-networking/000007805.html

Please let us know how it works out if you end up getting the 18265 and docking station setup working in replacement of your 1535/8260/8265 card.

 

Do I get it right that even if we see miniPCIe 802.11ad implementation on some other chip someday, it won't be compatible with Intel Wireless Docking solutions? Things are looking really bad for older yet still capable laptops with mini PCIe slot for Wi-Fi...

 

Yup, Wifi, cellular, and other radio technologies keep moving forward at a rate of increase in speed that completely leaves behind the previous generations. I need to upgrade my whole infrastructure on a frequent basis to keep up.

It's all part of the fun

 

@hmscott FWIW neither 802.11ad, nor 802.11ax (which won't be available until 2018, maybe even 2019) will saturate single PCIe 3.0 link - while LTE cards are still happy with USB2.0. All they did is change the connector; fitting newer cards using an adapter is often not an option, due to lack of clearance in modern notebooks. No fun at all.

 

I wasn't talking about the PCIE link speed I was talking about the Radio comm speed, protocols, and the routers / AP's / docks that implement WiGig - infrastructure needing replacement to implement it.

And, you are right, connector changes to fit larger cards with more components isn't fun either, now I can't upgrade a laptop with a new card to add WiGig support

 

Finally, some routers are out that support 802.11ad (WiGig) 60ghz !!

 

They are around for quite a while IIRC. Here's a review. Looks pretty much useless for router due to very limited range and the fact it requirs careful antennae positioning. I'd really like to use wireless docking, but it seems the technology is at its infancy and didn't really improve much since its introduction quite a while ago.

 

I'm very happy with the two wireless docks I have at home. The range and line of sight requirements do make it mostly useless on a router that's likely to be in another room, I agree.

I've found the beam-forming makes it sensitive to movement, but the range within the room is fine - speeds and connection stability are as good ten feet away in my living room as they are 1 foot away on my desk.

 

@alexhawker wow, that's great. I remember now that you mentioned it some time ago; would you please provide more details about antenna positioning? How reliable is file transfer in your setup?

 

Bear in mind I'm using the Dell branded version of the card and the Dell D5000 dock, so my experiences are specific to those components.

Can you elaborate on what you mean about the antenna? The card in my laptop has the antennae inside the display assembly, and the dock is a black box with no external antenna.

File transfer is reliable in my experience- the audio connection can be a bit finicky (I've seen that drop out while still having a connection with the dock), but it's rare and a disconnect/reconnect fixes it. Similarly I've heard skips in the audio when physically walking between the two devices in the living room (which is to be expected with a line of sight connection).


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I meant that 802.11ad antennae are directional, and if you say put the docking station under the table it will affect the connection noticeably. Also, I'm into business-class convertibles, which are typically offered with either WWAN or WiGiG, not both - which means I'll have to add the latter myself, and the antenna might go into the chassis instead of the lid. WiGiG is definitely very tempting in terms of compatibility between different machines, though.

 

Gotcha. I've never had a machine with a WWAN card, so I definitely can't speak to that consideration.

In terms of the dock location, it's directly in front of me in the living room, sitting next to our cable box, about 10' away. On my desk, its' about a foot to the left of my notebook display. I'll also sometimes use it from the couch ~5' away diagonally with a glass tabletop and metal desk frame in the way, which still seems to work fine.

 

@alexhawker your positive experience convinced me to go for wireless dock instead of wired.

Could someone please explain how to position WiGiG antenna correctly inside the laptop lid in my setup? It's like rocket science to me. \=

 

I reached out to Dell representative who confirmed that WLD15 is compatible with WiGiG equipment of other brands. Now, I need to source a WiGiG antenna, and Lenovo 18260 card. I am not willing to pay more than $100 for both; maybe someone is interested in selling?

 

Apple patent hints at one day charging your phone over Wi-Fi
The perfect charging solution (if it ever exists)
by Chaim Gartenberg@cgartenberg Apr 27, 2017, 4:13pm EDT
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...patent-wireless-charging-wifi-millimeter-wave

"In addition to the more general antenna bands, the patent also specifically cites transmitting power through the 60 GHz wavelength used by the WiGig 802.11ad standard, which makes sense as a high-frequency choice given that WiGig is a formalized standard that is likely closer to hardware adoption than other millimeter wave solutions."

 

@alexhawker @hmscott I finally joined the WiGiG club! And it's fantastic!

I added antennas for LTE alongside WiGiG to my convertible, so cabling was a real pain - but totally worth it. I am using Dell WLD15 docking station; had to add USB audio card to it, since built-in Realtek was terrible, but otherwise the dock seems great - and it's far cheaper than competitors.

 

Nice! Is the WLD15 the D5000?


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@alexhawker no, it's a different product, built around Intel WiGiG implementation. Here's a review.

 

Thanks for the link!

 

Is it time for AD WiFi? - TP-Link Talon AD7200 802.11ad Router
Published on May 26, 2017
The TP-Link Talon AD7200 is one of the first routers with support for 60GHz 802.11ad WiFi. So what benefits does it offer over plain dual-band AC WiFi?

 

It's all part of the fun.

 

Intel Discontinues current WiGig Products to Focus on VR