WiFi 6E Introduced

NE just isn't the only game in town at this point and while sometimes they do have a slightly better price I would personally rather deal with someone else even if it's a couple of dollars more. The last couple of years I've had some purchases and returns with them and they're slow as molasses when processing things. I took a chance buying a GC from them for a potential purchase and they managed to F that up royally and then retract the discount on the product I was going to buy. 1 GC transaction went through but they never e-mailed it and the 2nd one never went through even though my CC got charged by them immediately. Clearing the charges and voiding the 1 GC took over a week to get it done and refunded. I had a PSU return that had failed and outside of the transit time they took an additional week to process / test the return. NE rebates aren't too bad but, they're slow at processing them as well. Sometimes they don't pay out but, that's a risk with any rebate program.

When hunting down a 5GE 4 port card I ended up going with a no name retailer just to avoid the possible issues with NE. I picked up my 5GE USB adapter from Amazon instead of going with NE and getting a better discount. NE just isn't as easy to deal with in comparison to other retailers. They've become a little anti-consumer in recent months as well.

B&H isn't too bad but, they're slow on processing returns as well but, I've never really had an issue with them outside of timing. They're not quite as fast as Amazon but, they do ship quickly and are competitive with pricing.

It's all a preference but, my experiences push me away from using NE for much more the price comparisons.

 

For an extra buck the Teday AX210NGW adapter on Amazonwith some extra notebook antennas may be a better buy?
I now have an AX210 in a notebook and a desktop PC inside a PCIe x1 an MSI MS 8905C adapter.
https://asset.msi.com/resize/image/....png62405b38c58fe0f07fcef2367d8a9ba1/1024.png

 

If you need antennae then sure. I have few of them laying around though from other projects involving PCI cards and swapping different modules around for sniffing / AP hosting / Routing over open WIFI through my homebrew router as a secondary ISP. Antennae are cheap unless you're adding bigger long reach antennae like:

https://www.data-alliance.net/anten...d-for-dipole-antennas-w-cable-to-rp-sma-male/
https://www.data-alliance.net/anten...z-7dbi-omnidirectional-w-rp-sma-articulating/

I put these onto an adapter card and they worked well for pulling in distant signals for sniffing.

The adapters I was using are Fenvi and they're dirt cheap since pretty much all of the adapters are using the same PCB layout and all why pay more than you have to?

Anywho... I ordered 2 x AX210's from Amazon and they'll be here Sunday + took 20% off through an Amex promo so they come in under $40 for the pair w/ tax!!

 

IT looks like Asus is not releasing the AXE1100 Wi-Fi 6E router in December 2020 as announced in September.
We'll probably have to wait for CES 2021 announcements for 6E hardware

 

What's the point? 99%+ of consumers don't have 10GE infrastructure, never mind multi-Gbps Internet connections to really utilize this.

 

There are quite a few multi-gig (NBASE-T) products you just have to hunt them down and weigh the functions for your application.

I hunted down a NWA210AX that has a 2.5GE uplink on it and 160mhz spectrum. Some of the products out there may provide one or the other but not both. Quite a few offered the higher uplink but limited the spectrum settings to 80mhz.

You can find 2.5GE cards and even dual port 2.5GE cards for under $50 and the AP for ~$250 shipped. It's within reach if you're willing to think outside the box and not get a pre-packaged "consumer" device. If you wanted to you could just get the AP and plug it into your existing router if you have a 2.5GE port on it for the maximum speed. If you want more modularity then you build a PC to function as your router and add/remove pieces as technology changes.

I actually went with an overhaul and added a 4-port 5GE card and then attached the AP to that allowing 2 x 5GE ports in a bundle to the modem and 2 x 5GE ports for the LAN use. With my setup I have more control of traffic and no bottlenecks as well as whole home VPN routed through it on top of the multiple uses plus Firewall that's more substantial than anything you get out of the box or piece together on the enterprise side and don't have to deal with the annual licensing of enterprise equipment. The reason I went with 5GE is because my Raid only pushes ~400MB/s across 4 disks in a Raid 10 configuration. I could add another pair and push the disks to 600MB/s and still come close to that speed on 5GE

Also, the AX210's are more stable than the AX200's that don't have 6E enabled.

 

Fair enough - most don't, but 10GE is more for LAN than WAN usage and 1 Gbps which is about 120MB/s is getting too slow for LAN transfers. SSDs are much faster and even 5400 rpm HDDs are faster than that. Most mid-range NASes have link aggregation and are capable of dealing with two 1Gbps lines at the same time, so in the end the slowest part of ones networking infrastructure is often 1Gbps Ethernet.

It's a good thing that 10GE routers are hitting the market. For those who don't need that - you can still buy a 802.11ac routers (I'm only mentioning the 802.1ac part to point out that these are reasonably new ones, not antiques) that are equipped with 100mbps Ethernet.
Quite frankly I thought that to be ridiculous when I saw it (the 100mbps ports I mean) but then I saw that D-link did a consumer study and apparently most users do not connect any devices via Ethernet at all.

So for those who need to transfer data on LAN 10GE is something overdue - 1Gbps has been with us way too long at this point.

 

Speaking of 100M.... My TV has a 100mbps port on it but the wifi on it allows up to double that for streaming. Why they went with 100mbps when there's virtually no price difference beats me. Now, why it only does 200mbps over wifi is another odd scenario since one of the selling points is that the TV works on AC and 200mbps isn't even a 1x1 level of bandwidth in my book. They really cheaped out on the networking on the TV. Then again the thermostat works on AC as well but only does 72m

 

Link aggregation is not supported on most consumer networking equipment, with some exceptions. It's a fair assumption that a large chunk of NAS users don't know what it is, how to set it up, don't have the requisite equipment, or don't think it's worth a bother. Worth noting that it would need to be supported directly by the router or extender, not on a switch if one wished to witness > 1Gbps transfers between a single device and the NAS.

Wireless transfers at > 1Gbps speeds between typical WiFi-connected consumer devices would be a potential use case I guess, e.g. file sharing between laptops or PCs. I would assume few people do that these days, Samba is disabled on Win10 by default.
To be fair, higher speeds at longer range would be a concrete selling point for some, if that's what the technology actually delivers.

As for 10GE routers hitting the market, well they are probably going to be priced outside of many consumer's comfort zone, and I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for ISPs to supply them anytime soon. Just checked mere switches - starting at $200+ equivalent here in the UK, all rack mountable (to be fair, didn't look too hard, just a quick amazon search).

In summary, I think WiFi technology above 802.11ac is a marginal practical improvement for most consumers, it's just ahead of the rest of the local infrastructure, not to mention WAN uplink speeds.

 

LAG is supported more than you think....

My MB8600 with 4 ports on it supports LAG and allows me to get full 1200mbps out of it bundling 2 of the ports together.

>11GE for the LAN means you spend a whole lot less time waiting for a backup or copy function to happen. Support on NAS's has been around for quite awhile now and only requires inserting a new card to upgrade the speeds beyond what they shipped with. Some of them take the nerd work out of it too and setup pseudo aggregation for the ports so all the user has to do is plug in an additional cable and run through a wizard in the software.

With the QoS limitation on my AP I can still push 120MB/s across wifi and if I really need the speed for a big transfer I have the 5GE port I can plug into with the 5GE USB-C adapter and it's done in a blink of an eye.

I use SMB 3 to advertise my shares... Windows see it's as a normal file share and doesn't have any issue with it. While windows / msft disable SMB 1.x because of security issues it still works but it's not needed if you setup the share from *nix based systems. Samba works a lot better than windows based sharing.

This doesn't make any sense because the links whether direct adhoc or through a switch only perform at the slowest device speed. If you try to get 2 x 1GE to push to s 1GE client it won't do much for you but, if you used the 5GE adapter I mentioned and went to the NAS with a 10GE connection you could still get 5GE out of it through s 10GE switch provided the port connected to the adapter negotiated down to 5GE. If you just went adhoc though you would get the 5GE speeds provided the NAS adapter could negotiate down as well. It gets a bit complicated but the newer NIC's for these setups can / will negotiate and there are even SFP+ cards that will do the same provided the correct SFP+ module that has the capability..

 

MB8600 is not bad, the price is right, but it's still likely more of an exception.
I def understand the benefits, but so far it hasn't been worth setting this up on NAS via a swtich. Backups are easily scattered, but if I ever feel slowed down, something like Netgear GS108T will do the trick.

Let's face it: the main use case for most people is Internet access, but few have 1Gbps+ pipe anyway.

I wasn't aware of 5GE lol. Google just showed me some draft IEEE document. What is that?

 

NBASE-T is the 1/2.5/5/10 MultiGig standard. It’s no longer draft. Unlike the old 1/10 Gb standard this adds 2.5/5 Gbe support. But you can have chipsets/adapters with only 1/2.5 or 1//2.5/5 or the full 1/2.5/5/10 Gbe support. It’s compatible with the regular 1/10 standard in a sense that if you connected a “2.5 Gbe or 5 Gbe Only” card on one end to a standard 10/1 Gbe card at the other end it will only connect as 1 Gbe due to lack of 2.5/5 Gbe support in the 10/1 Card.


The new WiFi 6 Qualcomm based QNAP Qhora router has 2x 10Gbe ports and is priced at ~$300-330 and around $250 used.


I agree MultiGig/10Gbe may not be needed for a lot of people especially with most people/general populace having less than gigabit speeds and not doing much LAN activity and depending mostly on cloud even if they need backups, but there’s still a market for who need/make use of those features. My ISP for example provisions the gig profile at 1.2 Gbps so 2.5 Gbe on the Modem side makes sense for me vs 940 Mbps on a standard modem, in addition to having 10Gbe LAN ports on my switch as I have a NAS. Even if you “distribute” you backups across various services, on a gig switch/router you’re still limited by the gig pipe unless your doing LAGG when you actually need to make avail of it all at once.

 

@ etern4l as @ Aivxtla stated it's not a draft but it's highly limited as to what you can pick up with a reasonable price. Switches using NBASE-T are still relatively pricey. However you can get a 5 port 2.5GE switch for $100 roughly.

Here's a thread on some of the equipment I was looking at for 5GE:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nbase-t-vs-sfp.834356/

Since I built my own router though I can pick and choose what types of ports I want to use or put into the box. I went with a 4 port 5GE card and split it 50/50 into WAN/LAN use but, I can put all or 1 of the ports on either side by changing the configuration file that tells it which ports to use for either function. So, for $200 shipped I was able to get the card. The idea behind the card was to pair it with the 2.5GE port on the AP for maximum throughput with some port density to spare since I'm running a mATX MOBO which has a total of 4 slots. Originally I was running a pair of 4 port GE cards in it splitting between LAN/WAN. Since downsizing from ATX to mATX I consolidated things a bit to a single card as my device count changed and mostly had WIFI as an option.

I could have opted for a full 10GE experience but, the speeds of my storage didn't necessitate that jump which mostly results in 2 port 10GE cards with some exceptions of 4 port SFP+ cards in which you run into not only the card price, heat, and SFP+ modules needed for each port pushing the cost of 4 ports to anywhere between $200-$400 depending on the configuration. SFP+ modules of decent quality run $35-50/ea port. While you have the option of copper or fiber with the SFP+ option it just made more sense to stick with copper due to the short cable lengths and not having to involve a media converter for a single device. Media converters are a bit pricey anyway which only adds to the cost of upgrading to an intermediate speed. The MB8600 only does copper anyway so it doesn't make sense.

MB8600 is basically a bridge between the coax / ethernet anyway. There are 2-3 models that can do 1GE+ anyway on the market and there's a new Netgear that has a 2.5GE port to plug into as well. There are plans out there from ISP's that go in excess of 2GE as well i.e Google Fiber released a 2GE plan recently in a couple of markets and most cable providers offer a "Pro" plan that does 2GE as well. Some smaller markets also offer 10GE plans for $300/mo similar to the cable operators at the same price for 1/5 of the speed. The desire is there for bigger plans although still somewhat niche and limited availability but, the push beyond 1GE is already happening where it's desired.

6E is needed for those who subscribe to the higher plans and have a use for the spectrum. Flexibility of placement of equipment is where it comes into play. If you think about the needs for things like medical imaging you'll find that the files they move around are GB's in size and the speed helps minimize time spent sending/receiving the images from one office to another. On the other hand you have some of us that are more pro-sumer and like speedy things to play with. Either way with all technology it will eventually catch on and become more common place with time as the word gets out that it's possible.

 

Probably because virtually no price difference is still a price difference. The increasingly razor-thin margins on televisions and other electronic devices means more corners will be cut. Plus there is little (if any?) streaming content currently available that would stress a 100Mbps connection, and they assume that most wlil be using a wireless connection.

 

Good info, thanks. 2.5GE is a welcome development. Once it gains more ground, it will be easier to utilise new WiFi tech to its full potential. I see Qnap also have some 2.5GE switches, at about 2x the price of an equivalent managed 1G switch, which is more accessible.

Thanks for all the info. I wasn't talking about commercial applications, just saying that most people getting a WiFi 6/E router will be hard pressed to see major benefits, unless this is matched with >1GB infra around it. To that end, the emergence of 2.5/5GE is great news.

Right. First of all, why would a SmartTV need more than 100M network? Latency is a non-factor, and there is no streaming content that would require higher bit rate.

 

Streaming is a generic term but assuming you're talking about commercial providers then sure it's safe to say most of them top out at 25mbps.

When I'm streaming internally though when starting a file it's easy to see the link get saturated on a 100m connection on a higher bitrate file with say Atmos audio and 4K video. While it settles down after the first 30 seconds or so it can still maintain a high saturation on the link while playing. If there's a burst in data encoded in the file for a particular scene though it has the potential of buffering if it exceeds the link speed.

4K content through a traditional HDMI connection doesn't have this risk though since the HDMI 2.0 speeds give you 18gbps between devices it's not a worry.

8K will be another hurdle in itself when it comes to bandwidth outside of HDMI / DP connections.

"streaming" gets finicky when there's a bottleneck and downscales the bitrate when it encounters any kind of restriction...even though you may set your streamer at 4K if it encounters some latency it will downshift to 1080 and not resume 4K until you restart the title. If the congestion is significant you could drop to 720/480. If you're watching something with a high end audio.... same issue with congestion with downgrade your experience.

 

There is some confusion. If you run 100M Ethernet link to the router, what congestion or restriction do you have in mind? It could only be on the router itself or the Internet congestion, both irrelevant to the link speed. What I meant is that streaming over Internet is not going to overload your 100 Mbps Ethernet - seeing that Neftlix stream at 15Mbps or so But yeah, if you want to locally stream your legally ripped UHD BD content, this can go from 72 up to 144Mbps. Hopefully your TV also has ac+ WiFi as fallback!

BTW The reason HDMI needs higher bandwidth is that it carries uncompressed signal (except maybe some audio streams).

 

" But yeah, if you want to locally stream your legally ripped UHD BD content, this can go from 72 up to 144Mbps. Hopefully your TV also has ac+ WiFi as fallback!"

 

The QNAP Qhora looks tempting (and still no link aggregation apparently, I guess due to the abundance of 10GbaseT ports), but 6E is just around the corner and presumably it will require new radio hardware? What do you think of grabbing something like a cheap Huawei AX3 as a stop gap? Many thanks.

 

For Qualcomm yeah new radios I believe, but the standard Broadcom AX routers actually had 6E capable WiFi chipsets already if I’m not mistaken but didn’t have the 6E capable RF filters so in the end you need new routers either way. That’s why the new Asus AX11000 6E router uses the same internal hardware as the old but with new RF filters.

 

BTW What do you think about the internal antennas in the QNAP?

As the Huawei, I didn't have to google very long before I found this lol: https://www.reddit.com/r/pihole/comments/jlfocr/psa_huawei_ax3_pro_chinese_version_phones_a_lot/

 

If you know anything about selecting the best option the device will always go for a wired connection over a wifi connection for stability. There's no smart "fall back" when it comes to a TV. A laptop on the other hand configured for wired/wifi will transition from one to the other if there's no connection detected on the wired connection through the DNS test that the OS does to determine connectivity or if the physical connection is disconnected.

From a networking perspective though the devices will go with the fastest option for the path. So, if you have a 1GE link and a 10GE link it will always go for the 10GE based on the bandwidth potential unless you change the metric so it prefers the lower bandwidth link. It's all a math game to networking equipment and how you configure a path.

The only instance where it might LB or select the slower link is if the downstream path from the 10GE link has a slower than 1GE exit link. For instance running 10GE and then bottlenecking it into a DSL line that's 768kbps (backup) vs say a Cable 500mbps exit.

 

OK, so you are saying our Smart TVs are actually a bit dumb, i.e. if I connect both Ethernet and WiFi they will blindly prefer the former? I guess it's not that bad a heuristic, but we can clearly see it won't be always optimal. For example, the Ethernet connection could go through a slow powerline, or a congested switch. Ideally the TV, or perhaps the apps should be able to track connection quality and roam/LB. Then again, we are talking about companies which save $2/ per $2k+ unit on 1G Ethernet...

 

I don't think this behavior/logic is limited to TVs.

 

Yes, Smart TV's are DUMB.

For instance I have an older 1080P sitting in a closet that's 60" / 120hz yada yada yada. Well I got it because it specifically had an upgrade pack that was coming out within a year or two of purchasing it which would upgrade the ram / GPU / other items that would simply snap into it like a game cartridge. The upgrade costs $175 https://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/evolution-kit-for-2012-models-sek-1000

I just kept on using it w/o foregoing the upgrade kit and next thing I know cheap 4K TV's are coming out and it's a moot issue for the upgrade. Having that option for a HW upgrade that snaps in seemed like a great idea vs just firmware / OS upgrades like other TV's at the time. 4X the pixels though isn't something the snap in upgrade could do ever.

It's not.

 

Well the Asus AXE11000 has an Amazon listing but it's not in stock
They will be available later this month.
It'll be $550,the full MSRP.
Way over priced if you ask me.
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Gaming-Router-Rapture-GT-AXE11000/dp/B08RWBPBBR

 

Yep. Also, I would need.the router to work in AP mode and in this case link aggregation doesn't work on Asus routers. I am more and more tempted to just get a 2.5/5/10G switch + AP with an appropriate Ethernet port, as suggested by @Tech Junky.

 

NETGEAR has introduced the Nighthawk Tri Band Wi-Fi 6E Router RAXE500 with a $600 price tag and shipping in March 2021.
https://www.netgear.com/home/wifi/routers/raxe500

 

I might be evaluating it in the coming weeks... just disappointed it still has only 1 2.5 gbps port, while the QNAP has 2x 10Gbps interfaces.

 

TP-Link new products at CES 2021.
https://www.tp-link.com/us/press/news/19331/

 

Ok the TP-Link AX11000 (Archer AX206) in the link you posted has a standard 10Gbe and an SFP+ 10 Gbe and another 2.5Gbe multi gig port as well which makes more sense in relation to the WiFi capability, this what is needed more multi-gig ports.... vs the NG and Asus rehashes of their old AX11000s with just new RF filters and nothing else with the same 2.5 Gbe port.

 

Linksys 6E at CES 2021
https://www.linksys.com/us/wifi-6e/

 

If only they would be more modular and allow the dissection of the wif module and insert it into another application.

Maybe this should be patented as an upgradeable router / AP ?

I don't really see the need of the OEM's to "innovate" the other aspects of the devices since they're not adding features by any means that consume more CPU / RAM than their existing implementations.

Take a PI4 and addon a M2 and create an image for deploying it as a router/ap and quite dropping $600+ on devices.

 

NXP releases Wi-Fi 6E Tri-Band chipset
https://www.nxp.com/products/wirele...tri-band-4x4-wi-fi-6e-802-11ax-solution:CW641
https://www.newelectronics.co.uk/el...e-tri-band-chipset-for-access-devices/233706/

 

Never heard of NXP before. More players in the market can't be a bad thing though until they get snapped up by one of the big 3.

 

Qualcomm wanted to buy them (NXP) in 2018 but China was against of the merger.

 

Curious company. Half the revenue of Broadcom, no profit.

 

Wi-Fi Alliance® delivers Wi-Fi 6E certification program
https://wi-fi.org/news-events/newsroom/wi-fi-alliance-delivers-wi-fi-6e-certification-program

Wi-Fi 6E Certified Products
https://wi-fi.org/product-finder-results?sort_by=default&sort_order=desc&certifications=1275

 

Tweaktown has posted a review of the Asus AXE11000
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/9757/asus-rog-rapture-gt-axe11000-wi-fi-6e-router/index.html

 

SmallNetbulder has their preview out as well since a few days, Tim Higgins did some 5Ghz vs 6Ghz performance testing.
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wir...iew-with-asus-gt-axe11000-rog-rapture?start=1

I'm limited by NDA so I can't speak as to my own 5 Ghz vs 6 Ghz testing details but his data is pretty good.

I think 6Ghz is going to take a hit till or if the FCC passes the upgrade from 5Mhz to 8Mhz/dBm Power Spectrum Density (PSD), which some incumbents maybe against, ie TV stations, satellite service providers etc. 6Ghz doesn't surpass/catch up to 5Ghz power levels wise till HT160 at present.

Some more info if people are interested:

https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solut...2-11ax-solution/nb-06-wi-fi-6e-wp-cte-en.html

Not much loss in signal, strength granted a 3dbm loss is a halfing of the signal strength, from the beginning of 5Ghz to end of 6Ghz.


https://www.mist.com/power-spectral-density/

5Ghz vs 6Ghz (6Ghz uses constant PSD)

 

$1159

 

I looked closer at the tweaktown review and not seeing any mention of the wireless card being used and the driver version.
I've sent the reviewer a message asking for more info.

 

Tim used my instructions to get 6Ghz working for his testing. To enable 6Ghz you need 20.30.0.11 driver and W10 20H2, but Intel hasn't officialy enabled 6Ghz in the drivers. Even if you enable it you need to use OWE (Open Access), WPA3 on 6Ghz requires SAE-H2E (Hash to Element) and to get that you need W10 21H1 preview plus a NDA protected intermediary driver which Intel won't give regular users.

I tried to put a support request with Intel for 6Ghz support hoping for a beta driver but was told to wait till W10 21H1... Intel won't have driver support till after 20H1 drops in May or June.... Likely a beta driver may drop in the meantime.

 

So, to sum things up....

The router is way to expensive ($549.99)
Intel shows you the ability to use 6E / 6Ghz channels but they don't really work until they release a new driver and W10 is upgraded to 21H1 at a minimum

https://dongknows.com/asus-rog-rapture-gt-axe11000-wi-fi-6e-router-review/

 

Right now only a few mobile devices like the galaxy S21 have fully working 6Ghz with WPA3... and I believe Intel's updated firmware for Linux should also be working in full, with Kernel 5.11, I tested with the older firmware where it wouldn't connect though it detected it a few weeks ago.

Would I buy one now and at that cost? Probably not, but for those who decided to buy a 6E router or want to buy one regardless because they are enthusiasts and especially for those who are on the fence if they should buy one, this thread would be pretty useful.

 

Well, WPA3 is working on my 2 clients that support it and the AP I'm connecting to. Null Issue here

My server/router is running 5.11 already as well but doesn't factor into the authentication as the AP is doing it now instead of wpasupplicant/hostapd as before with the internal card hosting.

The biggest issue is finding a host/AP to test these things with since the current AP is 6 not 6E. I'm making some headway with Zyxel though on getting the QOS issue resolved and potentially implementing a 80+80 configuration in the next release to boost bandwidth.

$550 + tons of issues doesn't make for a viable venture into 6E at this point.

I've been considering the idea of 5G instead of paying Comcast since you can get Visible (VZW) for $40/mo unlimited... just need a 5G AP with a sim slot to truly cut the cord.

 

I think most firmware issues should be rectified as these are just rehashes of the old AX11000s using the same radios, chipsets...but newer filters. As I mentioned previously WPA3 on 6Ghz is not like 5Ghz... it requires SAE-H2E (Hash to Element) which W10 and Intel's current driver don't support.

As for HT80+80 if you mean split bonding and not HT160, that's probably a lost cause as outside of routers like the R7800/R9000/RAX120, very few clients would support it and from what I heard the hardware overhead may not be worth it especially since 6Ghz offers a lot more 160Mhz channels..

Someone by the name of Fatwan on SNB Forums brought up the fact that current filters used in routers for 6Ghz actually are not good for the first 160 Mhz block of the 6Ghz band so the likes of the Asus AX11000E and any 6E router coming in the next few months would be missing that section of 6Ghz. Apparently the new filters supporting the entire 6E band are only entering the supply chain now. So probably another revision of 6E routers before we get fully capable products.

 

For the 80+80 I was only speaking of the AX not AXE AP I'm running currently.

Speaking of drivers I was speed testing and Intel prompted for a new driver after a couple of them 22.30.0.11 Funny how those prompts come up when you're actually testing things. Had to do some channel changes since the 40/42 chan's weren't pushing bandwidth properly and switched to 128 and back in the high 700's for testing through VPN.

Anyway... Filtering spectrum is always an issue until someone comes up with the right recipe and then releases the cookie cutter template everyone else ends up using once it's perfected.

 

https://www.senaonetworks.com/en/products/enterprise-wi-fi/indoor-access-points/wifi6-triband/

This looks like a beast sporting 6E+ 5GE on the ethernet port.

Not sure how they come in with pricing though It does have 4:4:4 though which is appealing for those with tons of clients but even w/ 2 clients you both get 2x2 w/o interference with each other.

Potentially they're rebranded in the US as Engenius when looking up their current AX AP - ECW230
https://www.senaonetworks.com/en/products/enterprise-wi-fi/indoor-access-points/wifi6-dualband/
https://www.engeniustech.com/engeni...ged-wi-fi-6-4x4-indoor-wireless-access-point/