2016 and Beyond: What are we missing in laptops/notebooks?

If you max out the usb ports, all the drives, max oc on the cpu/gpu, +4K screen does it consume more than 660+?

 

If you have an unlocked i7 Extreme Mobile or desktop X or K CPU and 980M SLI and overclock the snot out of them, yes... sure does... some of these beast laptops can peak at ~800W if you push them hard enough.

 

Voted for 2 x 450w for not relying on one massive brick!

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voted for single / large 660w?? I will fix this for you bro... single / large 900w Or turn around your numbers to 990w

 

Single 900W if the same size. Come on, they are already huge and heavy in P870, if they get any bigger, they might crush the laptop itself. But we really need more power.

 

yes sorry boss, you have eyes of an eagle

 

As long as the single brick is no larger and heavier than two combined I don't see where there is any difference. Having one cord and no convertor box to deal with would be awesome. If this modest amount of bulk presents a problem, then I'd say the person is not "in it to win it" all the way. You can always get one of these to put in your school bag along with a sack lunch and a bag of Skittles. Just be careful not to smash the Barbie dolls.

 

LOL I'd like to run AIDA64 Extreme and wPrime Stability test on that thing for 20 mins, I bet you it'd blow up

 

Probably with a notch lower bench score than most of these other CrapBooks. Why pay 10-15 times higher price for about similar or a notch higher bench score?

 

true, if one doesn't want a beast like the P870DM, why waste money on anything else, get that $199 USD Acer and throw it in the bin when it dies

 

Yeah. Because you can't repair soldered hardware. The motherboard is probably more expensive than the whole laptop

 

The motherboard is the whole laptop.

Everything else is only surplus plastic.

Screens on those are awful. And the BGA is so bad that they manage to hit 100C and melt even without you trying. Some of them are even passive cooled. I don't think it is even funny letting them exist the factory.

 

Passive cooling seems to be fine for something like Core M (basically a phone SoC). But using them for laptop chips is a huge WTF.

 

At 4.7-4.9, the 6700K uses more than 200W?
OC 980 = 350
4K Panel = 75?
Speakers = ?
Wifi = ?
M.2 drives = ?
SATA drives = ?
Other devices plugged in = ?

 

I was thinking... How many of you really uses the mouse pad? I mean the one that generally is below the keyboard.

In my case almost none and I would be much happier with a full decent, maybe kind of mechanic but not that noisy keyboard. The closest approach would be like the GT80 but without any mouse pad.. just a full keyboard. And lower than general keyboard in notebooks not like GT80 but more like a 2" distance from the bottom enough to place the base of your palms.

And without mouse pad... only maybe with a tinny pointer? Like in some business like Lenovos, Dell, etc/

PS: And only with WHITE back lighting

 

I like it for when I'm in confined spaces and can't use the mouse I have. I love the keyboard being mechanical though. Maybe red cherry switched for it though (linear and allowing wide adoption). But, I never got into the nub mouse.

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Why not both? I use a touchpad right below the keyboard on my desktop as well. Yes, I do have/use regular mouses.

 

Yes the idea would be just to switch from an BIG mouse pad to a tiny one or just none but a mouse button track like we find in business laptops.

In the notebook/desktop replacement I have in mind would be like that.

+no more than 3.2Kg and without compromising gpu or cpu power + dual refresh rate 17.3" or more panel + dual PSU: 1 for desktop + 1 for mobile.

 

All i want is manual volume control which you can set even when laptop is off. Like old fashion turning wheel.

 

I feel that's very narrow-minded, @Phoenix. Not everyone wants (or even needs) 1 kW laptops which some (i.e. me) consider wasteful.

With your statement, you're dismissing half the Clevo community who owns P6xx and W-series machines which are actually very well-performing, do not throttle and are well-designed. The only caveat: they have your dreaded BGA CPUs/GPUs. However, these machines still perform well, have custom BIOSes, have Prema Mod, can be overclocked, etc etc.

 

Way more than half of the Clevo community.

 

Keep in mind that prema's bios mod for these laptop are on an exclusivity with the most expensive re sellers only.

 

Why it's that and does not include other common resellers like the ones from Sager?

 

He has to get paid somehow.

More bios option to overclock, change setting etc. Not essential but nice to have. May improve oc ability.

 

It is also up to the ODM/OEM's/Resellers if they want to cooperate with @Prema... If they show no interest... Why should they have access to mod Firmware?
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Hmm, what do I want?

For AMD to make a comeback in the mobile CPU area. I've been researching CPUs for a NAS/HTPC build I'm thinking of doing in the near future, and AMD seems to have great offerings in the low-powered area (specifically, the Athlon 5350); get some of that R&D into the mobile CPU area, please? Bring back some decent competition in the mid- and high-end market. Ditto for mobile GPUs

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Personally, I don't see massive screen resolutions (>1080p) being too useful on laptop-sized displays, especially for "real work". That said, I think that the Thinkpad W701ds had an interesting idea to have multiple displays in a laptop. That said, I've love to see a new model which has one or two folding/sliding monitors with all 2-3 monitors being high-quality 1080p panels.



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It may sound silly, but do you know about how some flashlights and radios can be powered by a hand crank?



Well, we all know that even with today's technology, longer and longer battery life is still a bit of a pipe dream with current battery tech. Maybe a future laptop could have a retractable crank which the user can pop out in order to manually charge the battery when needed (and when they're away from an outlet / don't have their power brick)? Maybe even include a solar panel or two in the lid to help with battery life if the laptop sees sunlight.

 

A general purpose hand-operated charger would be more useful than something locked in a laptop.

 

Agreed that general-purpose chargers are useful, though the two concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Yep.

A (rugged) laptop could come with a manual-charging battery pack that can be removed and used as a standalone device.

 

Already posted one of those a few days ago on another thread. If your serious and want some real compute power http://www.rugged-portable.com/mil-spec-workstation-update/

 

What I want and we all need is a Polaris MXM based on the RX 480 core to compete directly with mobile pascal parts that will be both obsenely expensive and hot!

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We need an sli capable 1080MX mobile pascal GPU - a mobile pascal Titan GPU with a higher wattage psu and removable batteries

 

Clearly a rather rich green team fan sli 1080's for laptops (M has been dropped) will set you back over $2000 for gpu's alone.

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for the third time, thin bezels like macbook or infinity display in laptops.. its 2016 ffs

 

mocf
A 17.3"+ laptop with these specs for the board if possible or the 18phase one

 

You mean like...the XPS 13 which has been on sale for a year now and has bezels many times thinner than a Macbook?

 

yeah. specifically 750DM with thinner bezels

 

Isn't that the infinity display, which was mentioned specifically in their post?


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Whoops, I'm stupid. My bad.

 

Haha.. I've seen these before. No mention of G-Sync though..

 

its being a while

- Skylake-E LGA 2066 8-10core CPU
- two way SLI
- dual PSU 330w would be enough
- air cooling is fine as long as it covers decent overclock-able range say 4.5ghz

**shared fan cooling, not shared heatsink cooling, ie cpu has it's own cooling fan same with the two GPUS, but extra heat pipe from cpu goes toward the exhaust of the GPU for more CPU cooling** ie GT80 MSI as an example but only missing a cooling fan module for CPU itself.


@Mr. Fox do the resellers have power/influences over what clevo choose to do?

 

Dual 330W is hardly enough even for current systems, let alone a X99.

 

for dual 980m would be enough, for desktop version of graphics card not so much. im more of a cpu person though, sure would love to see that 6-8 cores quad channel memory again.

 

P870 with one 980 unlocked is already 800W+ from the wall. I'm not sure what the efficiency level is under such load, but considering that the PSUs are fin-less passively cooled and don't set anything on fire, they are probably quite efficient and therefore running out of spec.

With X99, the CPU alone will take all the nominal capacity of one PSU. OC the 980Ms just a bit and we're out of spec.


One could argue that if we're OK with pushing processors out of spec then we should be OK with pushing PSUs too.

 

Where have you this number from? BS!! I know this is pure wrong. I bench with this machine and with single 980. We talk more about +-475w

 

YES! My Acer 8942G had just this - and I miss it very much!

 

OK, I went through all 15 pages;

And the MOST important thing mentioned here, is a new ATX standard, for laptops.

Once we had the option for something like this, all the OEMs could choose to drop it into a standard chassis with ease. Multiple ribbon cables should exist to connect usb daughter-boards etc.

And in the future we could change it out when new CPU tech / features warrents it.

It should be powered by existing 19V laptop PSUs, like the 330W ones you commonly find.

Forget SLI/Corssfire, and give us single 1080 DESKTOP on an mxm 3.0x module, to keep weight down. Surely this Pascal offering should suffice, or is there some game I'm not yet aware of?

Forget your 10-Cores in a laptop too, what are they - 150W without overclocking? Why not a 6700K Skylake (better IPC too) for your single GPU. You might even get that all within the 330W envelope, without forcing OEMs into an expensive re-design of PSUs, and that would reflect in the price also.

And I'll say it again, small bezel screens, @ 19" & 1440p, should give me the same footprint as my AW18. If the chassis is any bigger I likely wouldn't be able to hand-carry it on aircraft.

If you add water cooling, again, this could be a problem for air travel, so nice idea, but out with it.

So, an ErikO laptop would be:

1. Single mainstream CPU - SOCKETED. (E-series are always a node / process behind - unacceptable).
2. New L-ATX [yep, I've just named the new laptop ATX board ] motherboard, with a normal effing bios that you'd get with any enthusiast board. Alienware I'm looking at YOU. This would also provide you with the USB header for your internal-mounted wireless mouse device.
3. 19" small bezel screen @ 1440p (do we need more on a single GPU for a screen this size? I think not)
4. Desktop-class GPU, constrained to about 170W.
5. Dual physical NIC, possibly one @ 10GE.
6. Min 3x wifi antennas. (I threw out my 7260 & installed my 3x ant 6300N for which I'm very happy)
7. 1x antenna for a digital TV tuner. Like someone already said, I want my machine to do everything. Nothing like rotting in a Vietnamese hotel, (where IP-TV now seems to be the standard) that is constantly failing (yes - even in a 5*). Or cooking in the kitchen, missing the program I was watching in the living room.
8. Improved speakers. I mean, come on, really? We can put a man on the moon, but we can't get this right?
9. Drop the DVD drive already. Useful? Yes. Necessary for TRAVEL in 2016? No.
10. I know you guys gonna set me on fire now - but drop the battery, IF you give me 3x the copper cooling capacity for same weight.
11. Use a linked-cooling system, like Apple, like the gf's Dell M3800, etc. It just makes sense, how it was missed on the AW18 I'll never know.
12. If a detachable screen is too much trouble (think 4x antennas, usb for camera / microphones, display connections), then I want a screen that folds open 180 degrees please. You know why...
13. Power cord connector should follow Apple's incredible magnet-design. Geeze, pay 'em for the license if necessary. And it should exit from the rear, where at least 1x USB connection should reside too.
14 This should weight not more than 5kg, and occupy a footprint no larger than the current AW18, ensuring this is still portable for the frequent traveller such as myself.

For this I will pay $5000 USD, not more.

Now get to work.

 

All awesome suggestions. I agree with #10 as well. I only need a battery that lasts long enough to change electric outlets and I'd be more than happy to live without one if that meant it was replaced by anything more awesome. They could even make a larger AC adapter that incorporates a battery for those that care about that, and free up space in the chassis for something more useful.

We already have a market severely over-saturated with thin and light garbage... way more than enough to meet every need. We need them to burn more calories on some wicked DTR options like or even more powerful than the P870DM-G.

 

What about better cooling pads from Fujitsu or Thermal grizzly? If you're going to be paying for a 5K machine, why not the best cooling for VRMs

 

I'd love a DTR too but at P750ZM/DM size or even smaller / thinner if possible with a 1060, RX470 class gpu for portable gaming and a TB dock for desktop gaming.