4670 in Compal FL90

This guy in Poland apparently was able to install a 4670 in his fl90. From the looks of the chassis, looks like an older fl90 model too. I used google to translate the site.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.nhl.pl/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D20439&ei=MDBySreaDZCqtgODpvXRCA&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D4670%2Bcompal%2Bfl90%26hl%3Den

This is great news. I want to upgrade my compal fl90, but the 3650 isn't that much of an upgrade. The next best thing would be if the 4830 or 4860's were mxm type 2...

 

Compared to the relatively craptastic GDDR2 8600m GT in the fl90, the hd3650 is a pretty nice upgrade and it overclocks well too. Where did he find that HD4670?

Edit: my topic is famous apparently...

 

With the 3650 on ebay for about $150, I have the notion of comparing that to a desktop vid card price, such as a 1gb 4870 is about the price. I already have a beefy desktop for games, so I relegated my fl90 for lighter game apps (like wow) I want to be able to play anywhere in the house or at friends.

Eventually I would want to make this laptop gaming status satisfactory again, but I am a penny pincher so I am gonna wait for that "big" upgrade when it comes viable.

For the mxm 4670, if you go to laptopvideo2go mxm store forum, there is a link for a vendor selling mxm 4670 gddr3 (intended for acer). But they are $300, $240ish for the 4650 ddr2. I dont think the vendor states the mxm type either.

 

The Acer HD4670 is MXM type A which won't fit in the ifl90. The only 4670 that fits is the ex625 one but they are pretty much impossible to find....

 

Great news indeed. This is a worthy upgrade. And I could have sworn I had seen the ex625 on sale somewhere not too long ago. I'll see if I can find it.

 

Interesting... I have exactly the same chassis.

The EX625 seems to be constructed in the same way as the EX620, which was equipped with a HD 3470. I think they did not improve the cooling system (as the EX625 has no own disambling guide but uses the one for the EX620), which can be found here. It seems not too good to me. But my point is, if the cooling system originally intended for the HD 3470 can handle the HD 4670 then the cooling system of the FL90 should handle the HD 4670 too.

Edit: I just found out that the cooling system of the HLB2 to be found here, which can be compared to the one in the FL90 (looks pretty similiar to be) can barely handle the HD 4650, temp is at 98°C - 100°C under load. Test can be found here, however it's in German, just look at the numbers. However, I got my FL90 from the same reseller and he tends to use very bad thermal paste, as I said in the other thread, my HD 3650 was at 96°C - 100°C with stock thermal paste, I mean reapplied fresh stock thermal paste and 80° C - 83° C with Arctic Cooling MX-2 and I even failed to notice that MX-3 is out already.

However, the problem remains where to find those cards, except for wrecked EX625s...

 

does anyone know which MXM type 4670 is in KHLB2?

 

If I'm not mistaken the KHLB2 has an onboard 4670.

 

what do you mean it doesn*t fit in? You mean it doesn't work at all?

I also made many upgrades to my compal fl90 in the last years:
processor: T9500
4GB Hynix ram
500GB Western Digital HDD
design futures...
Bios: v1.8

With newest drivers I get 4030 3DMarks and 6300 PCMarks, so I guess with a HD4670 I would get 8000-1000 3DMarks.... man this could be a high-end notebook!
and I still want to upgrade my graphic card, I have a 8600M GT 256 DDR2...
my display has only 1280x800 pixel and on e-bay you can buy a better one...

So guys I_m right now out of money... but if you want this graphic card you could write on MSI support telling you lost your warranty and you want to buy the graphic card as a part for your MSI-Notebook... well I think they have to sell you that but I*m more concerned about the costs?

And to Ayle: respect for your upgrades... I didnt wated to buy mxm graphic card because of bios problems

This card is perfect for FL90... you just need a good processor and thats it!!!

if you look at this site: http://www.notebookcheck.com/Mobile-Prozessoren-Benchmarkliste.1809.0.html you will see many SANTA ROSA 800MHZ processors better than new Montevina processors in the "top 20" list! So there is no use in higher FSB in MONTEVINA if they build small L2 Cache and low speeds.

SANTA ROSA rulez!

 

800 or 1066MHz is not that much of a difference, that's true. But I'm wondering if the boost from 667 MHz to 1066 MHz memory clock will make any difference.

Still, with the HD 4670 will be like 105++ °C under load*... I dunno if that is a good idea...

*Based on the asumption that the (I)FL90's cooling system is very comparable to the one found in the KHBL2 barebone which runs with a HD 46 50 @ 98 - 100°C under load. The HD 4670 is higher clocked and therefore overheats even more. I'm sure the GPU could handle this heat for a year or so but the maybe the motherboard would suffer damage.

Edit: And for the screen ask Ayle where he bought his one.

 

you could improvise with thermal paste and external notebook cooler for graphic applications like games ect.

you see under compal fl90 plastic grids(holes for aeration) and trough it the mxm graphic card. If you make more grids and get an external notebook cooler the problem could be solved.

You can even make your own cooling system with a better fan... well if you are creative... I mean it shouldn t be a problem then. This parts are very flexible and not a hardware problem like upgrading mxm graphic card.

my T9500 never get to 90°. Maximum is 80°. With a good thermal paste and cleaning the whole cooling system I made it work. Well I have to wait for this graphic card and then I will get better and powerfull fan and get external notebook cooler. You culd even swop your whole cooling system by improvising. because it is very flexible!

 

Placing an additional fan directly under the plastic grids didn't cause any increase in airflow with my IFL90. Which is kinda logic, because the heatpipe takes the heat away from the GPU to the fan. Blowing air into that hole will not help this process.

Replacing the thermal pastes helps though, I'm using Arctic Cooling MX-2 now and it's way better than the stock thermal paste. Arctic Cooling MX-3 should increase heat transfer even more.

Replacing the fan also might work, but I don't think it will be that easy to find a better one, you could, however, mod the bios, so that it always runs at topspeed. But as far as I know, nobody was able to mod the IFL90's bios.

At best the card will run around 90 - 95°C. It will still be pretty hot, but it may work for a year or so.

And you should definitely undervolt your CPU, as CPU and GPU share the same cooling system, it will help.

 

Damir855,

I see that you upgraded your fl90 to a penryn. Were you using an older fl90 or the revision that supports penryn?

 

T9500 can runs with our GM965/PM965 Chipset, it is Penryn (45 nm fabrication) but has 800 MHz FSB. All (I)FL 90 and 91 share the same chipset, only (I)FL92 has a newer one. Anyway... the T9500 is the best CPU you can run in your FL90, even older ones.

 

The FL92 still runs on a PM965. It has a new thermal sensor. That's the only difference.

 

Yeah, you're right. Confused it with the JHL90/91...

 

I bought one of the first fl90 compals with Nvidia 8600M GT and PM965 chipset! and T7300 processor...
Compal FL90 Bios-version 1.18 supports penryn processors!

On this site you can find FL90 bios automated for burning on cd and automatic runing without errors:
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/15104-compal-fl90-bios/
version 1.18 supports penryn... there was an issue with the previous versions!

This processor is pure energy saving! The fan never runs...only while gaming... it runs on 700 - 1200 -1500 - 2600 - and 2800MHZ....

I bought ES version of the processor: T9500ES...
this bios allows the processor to get to 2.8GHZ and multiplier "x14"... I think this is a part of Intel Dynamic Accelaration...
I now search for a way to overclock the multiplier to stay on x14 during a game...

Intel Dynamic Accelaration overclocks the first cpu if the other is in idle-state if your processor is on saving power modus. It helps only to save energy and not in performance....
...
but if I turn my processor in windows to 5% to 100% in processor power management it overclocks my CPU but not the whole time... I noticed that when notebook was on battery and running PCMark05... every time I set 5% in power management of processor I get about 300-500 more points... this also tells me that the cpu is overcklocking unusual...
If I set "minimum processor state" to 100% - it only runs on 2.6GHZ and never overrides it... and the multiplier stays on "x13" ...

I heard that ES-Versions of Intel can be unusual or sometimes damaged... multipier is free but the only way to do that is in the bios but there are no possibility to that in our compal FL90---
I have to say that I get a "boost"

 

hey, I just noticed that this guy from poland has T9300 processor, which runs at 1066FSB... Im not sure if it is possible in a PM965 chipset.... I also read somewhere that a guy tried that in an acer notebook but it didnt wok...

so how this guy installed this cpu... before discussing how he get a HD4670 in there?

This cpu models are only for Montevina-Chipset??????

 

You sure? This site says the T9300 runs @ 800 FSB.

And for overclocking I wouldnt mess with the multiplicator, just overclock the FSB a little bit, you should be able to do that under Windows with some tools. Otherwise you had to mod the bios which somehow can't be done.

Just set FSB to 216 MHz. However I'd try to deavtivate IDA and try to find out the lowest possible voltage for 2,8 GHz if you overclock the CPU.

 

thanks daniel...
T9600 runs @1066 ... I thought T9300 too...

 

Lol need to buy list:

penryn t9500: ~ $200 to $300 on ebay
HD4670 mxm II: ~ $300+ who knows where

$600, thats practically a new laptop. I geuss I'll wait till next year...

 

I'm planning exactly the same update... hope I can buy the HD 4670 somewhere in Poland. However, I'm broke right now, so I have to wait till next year, too. Hope the card and the T9500 will be a lil bit cheaper by then. The laptop would be better than most other 15,x" notebooks. Except for those with a 260M GTX which kicks , but I can't afford that right now anyway.

 

You should be able to find retail t9500 for less than $200 since I can find P9xxx and P8xxx for between 200 and 300:
T9500 retail: http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name...6cac7fa00a40ceafaf719efae3732e0644280ddfe9920