ATI HD4670 at mxm-upgrade

Hello everybody,

as you might have learned, the 8600M GT of my FL90 has gone bad, and I replaced it with a ATI HD3650, but never got an external monitor to work.

Now, mxm-upgrade has ATI 4670s in stock. I know there is a lot of discussion going on whether or not these cards work in a FL90.

Some polish guy got it working, and people claim that only a mysterious MSI card would ever work in the FL90 - but I think people a referring to the very rare DDR3 version of this card, while the DDR2 version would work just like the 4650 or the 3650.

And with "work", I really just mean "work" - the heat problems I might run into are a whole new chapter.

So I wonder, how likely is it that the 4670 from mxm-upgrade work?

Any clues?

Thanks for any help!

Cheers

 

If your fl90 has a fully unlocked mxm II 2.1 card slot like the Asus C90 or Acer 5920g for example then 100% compatible plug and play. I run one of the very rare GDDR3 cards from msi (upgraded directly from 8600GT 512mb GDDR2) however I can vouch that the 1GB version sold from mxm upgrade will work no problem and will be an excellent upgrade.

 

Hi, and thanks for your reply,

how can I find out if I have a fully unlocked mxm II 2.1 card slot?

My new HD 3650 works, too, but I fail to experience 100% compatible plug and play as I never got an external monitor to work.

Well, I will wait for a reply from mxm-upgrade, and then I may go for it.

Any other insights would be of high interest to me.

Thanks in advance!

 

Hi,

I represent MXM Upgrade. I actually checked in here to see about a problem I have with the IFL90 (and to find the most recent bios) and stumbled on this.

Our HD4670s work *but* the PCIe link scales down to x1 instead of x16...

Ice-Tea

 

Thanks for dropping in. I sent an eMail (two by now) that went unreplied, but good to hear from you.

Hmmm, as far as I know, the same problem exists for some people that run the FL90 with a HD4650, with no known cure - other people, I think, do not have this problem.

It might be linked to the model of the FL90, as far as I know there are a few differences despite the same name.

The forum user kakashisensei reported on this in detail here, and possibly on other threads.

 

Been way too busy and sometimes I simply don't have enough hours in a day. Regardless, I'm sory for not being more respsonsive.

Pretty sure it's because the PCE 2.0 and 1.1 mix with probably the IFL90 being barely good enough for 1.1 and failing a 2.0 capabale card.

I actually have a few tricks up my sleeve but I did not have enough time with the testplatform to test 'm. And I can't share it because of an NDA. If there's anyone near Belgium who's willing to go through a few back-and-forth cycles, let me know.

 

No worries at all, you've been very fast and supportive upon my first inquiry. But maybe you want to install an auto-responder to your mxm-eMail address - as you run a business, this would look professional. Sorry if I am too up-front, just see it as a suggestion, nothing more.

To return on the subject, I have two FL90s here, I guess I would buy the 4670 and try it on both and could report on my results.

PM or mail me if you are interested.

Cheers

 

BTW icetea I think it is high time you updated the asus C90 page on your website. Firstly Asus did release the C90P which is what I have (a C90S with P35 chipset) and secondly it and the C90S supports all unlocked mxm II 2.1 cards including up to the 4670 mxm II 2.1 cards. I did offer via email to buy one of your 1GB 4670s before finding a 512mb GDDR3 version and to give a detailed upgrade account but I heard no response. Was a little surprised in the lack of interest you showed considering the C90 is one of few true unlocked mxm 2.1 notebooks alongside the acer 5920g.

 

Heh, well, I completed a C90 this week with a HD4670. Will be updated shortly. Never really a lack of interest but much rather a lack of time

As for the autoresponder: problem is not so much that I'm out of office, just that I lack the time to respond to all mails right away. And if I leave them for a later reply I simply forget. That, and the unreliable nature of the hosting service where they run

EDIT: Eh, you run that HD4670@750MHz? 0_o

 

Yup those are my gaming clocks can hit about 830/980mhz stable in games but there isn't much point using those clocks as the memory bandwidth will always be the limiting factor on 128 bit bus cards, plus my current 10.6 drivers don't seem to like overclocking that much.

 

I run mine at 760/1020 that's along side my x9100 @ 3.33ghz

4670 chips seem to be binned to draw less power at the higher voltage.

 

Heh, prefer the customers to run it a bit undervolted and at 675 before I get half of 'm back in a years time

 

Ah but temps range from 80-90C at worst during games that load both the CPU and GPU heavily (GPU and CPU cooler linked). Lower during biased games so I think I should be fine.

 

Wow meaker how on earth you get it to 1020mhz stable !! Highest I got it to was 986mhz although my temps are about 15C lower than yours thanks to my 9500rpm GPU fan

 

I have samsung memory chips if that's any help.

Is your 3dmark 06 at 1280x768? If so I get 9200 at the same resolution.

 

Nope it was at 1280x1024. Stock reso for 3dmark06 I believe if your display supports it. Although because I use the free version I can't change it anyway lol

 

Wow nice score, this is the best I have managed at that res:

ORB - Compare

 

Common misconception: overclocking is not just about temps, at least not only about core temps. You're also increasing temps in unmonitored components such as tantalum caps, FETs etc. And you're running the DC/DC converters closer or over their designed capacity. If you run 100 cards overclocked and another 100 at stock under the same conditions, the overclocked ones will fail faster on average. And returns are both a pain in the and a considerable cost. To make up for a single returned card I need to sell a lot of stuff

 

Well what about the ones that bricked due to a bad flash to undervolt them? Or the chips that can't do 675mhz @ 1.1v?

With the DDR2 cards they are going to be memory bandwidth bound anyway so it's not worth clocking the core up too much anyway.

 

Not sure what you're referring to?

And you're right, off course. Little point in shoehorning an engine of a Ferrari on bicycle wheels

 

Just that bios flashes go wrong and can brick a card.

But this is rare I suppose these days.

I ran my DDR2 4650 at 600/600 at the end of the day at 1v.

 

@Ice-Tea: is your 4670 1gb ddr2 or ddr3?
i'm checking a 4670 or 4650 ddr3 for my acer 5920g..
can you send me a pm with all information?
Thank you

 

it is 1GB GDDR2. Visit his website.

 

in your opinion it's better 4670 with ddr2 ora 4650 with ddr3??

 

If you have found a 4650 with GDDR3 I would be very surprised! It is better than the 4670 with GDDR2 by a long way.

Put it this way the 4670 with GDDR2 scores about 5400 points in 3dmark06 with a fast dual core while the GDDR3 version scores about 7200 points.

 

nothing, i've found 4670 with gddr2.... i would a vga with gddr3...
maybe i'll check another less...