Are you waiting for faster procs on the 14" ers?

The new 14" 6224w and 6324w computers cannot be ordered with the T7300 (2.0GHz), T7500 (2.2GHz), or T7700 (2.4GHz) Intel Core 2 Duo processors at this time due to a BIOS problem. So, are YOU waiting for the faster procs to become available?

EDIT: Admins, is there a rough, estimated time frame as to when the procs will be available? Like in a month, two months? Hopefully by August? Thanks!

 

I thought the T7700 was the fastest C2D chip currently available? What is faster?

 

There is a BIOS issue that doesn't allow 2.0GHz and up chips to be used. There is a solution, but it is time consuming for the company and not very cost effective. Hopefully, the next shipment to Zepto will have the BIOS fix already installed, so the faster chips will be just as easy to install as the 1.8Ghz T7100

 

The 14 inchers can be ordered with the 2.0 GHz T7300, see here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=130759

 

Temperatures of the faster chips in such as small box would be my main concern especially with the 8600gt in there as well. However if they have definitely sorted that out then I would consider waiting. I wouldn't want to be a test guinea pig with my £1000!

 

There was no issue with temperature, it was a bios support issue, that would not directly recognise the T7500 & T7700 CPU's (2.2 & 2.4). As I was lead to believe, a 2.0Ghz CPU had to be placed in the machine, then constructed to be bootable, bios has then to be flashed and finally switched off, cpu changed for correct one (2.2 or 2.4) then put together again and tested.

Not temperature.

 

Absolutely correct...

 

But why did the T7300 disappeared??

 

On the UK site the options for CPU are 1.8 & 2.0 (T7100 & T7300)
http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2643&sSpec=&OrdCode=

The bios thing stops at T7300 not T7100, but a work around has been found for the bios issue. To stop any other orders with T7500 & T7700, Zepto pulled those but not the T7300 from the 14" line up.

 

The T7300 always worked. Zepto just wasnt sure and removed it while they were doing their tests.
The T7500 and maybe even the T7700 should be available again once things calm down and production is back to normal.

 

I wasn't referring to why they had vanished from the configurations.. the posts about the bios have been up for a few days now. I was just expressing a concern in general. Laptops run hot so I would have thought the faster the chip you put in the hotter it would run .. then if you are putting them in a small box with not much airflow it might be an issue?

 

Let me settle this heat & CPU thing once and for all, and I don't even work for Zepto:

The speed of a processor/ CPU has little to do with Heat it produces. Some might say it does, but they live in the dinosaur age. Heat is a pre calculated part of a package like a CPU and is directly related to many aspects inc. speed, but other factors which I'm not going through (resistance, which is related to die size etc). all cumulate in a thing called the "THERMAL PACKAGE" . So the bigger the thermal package (heat generating potential not physically) the more heat needs to be taken care of:

T7700 2.4Ghz
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA43

T7300 2.0Ghz
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA3P

T7100 1.8Ghz
http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SLA3U

They are all 35Watts they all generate the same heat.

Check it out yourself
http://processorfinder.intel.com/List.aspx?ProcFam=2643&sSpec=&OrdCode=

infact, since 2006 most intel CPU's generate around 30-35Watts

They are all designed to go to 100 degrees max


REF:
Thermal Design Power: (Also referred to as Thermal Guideline) The maximum amount of heat which a thermal solution must be able to dissipate from the processor so that the processor will operate under normal operating conditions.

 

thanks for the info... you learn something new every day! Not had chance to read all the links but I take your word for it!

I think sometimes on forums people forget there is a very wide range of computing knowledge around within these forums. You've got to give us less technically minded chaps a bit of a break sometimes! It might be that we ask seemingly daft questions but we do ask them for a reason... if we don't ask we don't learn!

 

I never thought your question daft, I only try to help.

It was true once upon-a-time... that speed was the main factor in heat generation in VLSI (very large scale integration) devices, but not so these days. the main problem is now size, there getting too small for the surface area to be large enough to get something onto, to get rid of that heat.

Till the next generation (sans silicon) comes along (organic, light etc) the friction of electrons passing down microscopic cables, will generate heat and that will be the achilles heal for doped silicon.

Amazingly, newer CPU's are getting cooler.... but the GPU (graphics cards) are the next problem area.

 

hey no worries it wasn't a dig.. and the info is much appreciated. I'm used to building desktop machines and really you don't have to think too much about the technicalities and physics when dealing with those. I can understand about the surface area problem, you'd have thought they'd have come up with a way to dissipate the heat out of the back of the screen/lid by now as that would make a great heat sink (and I do vaguely remember reading that one type of screen, possibly the tft, worked better at a higher temperature too) I guess transferring the heat from the main body the lid would be a problem but hey I'm no boffin!

Anyway... Are there any threads on these forums which cover the areas such as temperature and performance etc (in simple terms lol) as I would be interested in swotting up on it a bit!

sorry btw for butting in on a poll thread!

 

Actually the Tdp figure seems to be getting abused and the faster processors really will generate more heat (on average) if they're basically the same die with the same stuff enabled and the same or higher voltage. It's the way CMOS works, sorry guys (and gals)...

Okay, longer version, to save me getting abuse... a 2.2GHz CPU can actually run at a variety of voltages depending on how "good" a one it is. The higher the voltage the higher the heat. A high voltage 2.2GHz CPU could get hotter than a lower voltage 2.4GHz one, it depends on process yields and what's selling so what they need to make, well, label. However if you average it out the faster ones will run hotter. If you look up the spec number you can see if it's a fixed VID = voltage, or not. If fixed then will all be the same voltage so no chance will be worse than a faster one.

http://download.intel.com/design/mobile/SPECUPDT/31407912.pdf

In the good old days you got a processor and could test it in a temperature chamber and have a fair idea of how well your thermal solution worked. Now you could (theoretically) find your tests work great as you've got a standard-voltage CPU (or a variable VID one at about the standard voltage) but at a later time Intel wanted to turn out a few more at that speed so got some "slow" ones and wound the voltage (and hence heat) up to make the speed. Spec-ing all the CPUs at 35W/41A allows this. They're not saying they all take the same power, just they reserve the right to use up to 35W in any of them. If you get standard voltage parts the heat will go up with frequency. I hope that all explains it fairly well. I like standard voltage S-specs myself...

The good news is that if a manufacturer wants to support any of the CPUs then they should test to 35W and support all of them. The bad news most of the non-professional ones just suck it and see and sell the fastest CPU that seems to work (it's amazing how few people actually design these things anymore, especially if write that as "design well"). This is why someone saying the faster CPUs got too hot and just selling the slower 35W ones is a bad idea as might not work next month...

 

Gi1bo told me that Ianin Burgess from Zepto said that their won't be faster processors for the Zepto Znote 6224W/6324W

 

Its not happening, heres some extracts from the emails ive received...

I also asked if i could just get the processor installed on a special custom order and i said i would pay extra, they said no.

 

Shame. I know a lot of people will be disappointed (I'm happy with a 7300 ). Perhaps this is why the discount came about?

 

Are there T7800 and t7900 cpu's out soon, 2.6 and 2.8 ghz?

 

Is it worth getting any service for the zepto? It says on the site the first year is £47, arent you supposed to get the first year by law? Is it worth getting for 2 and 3 years? 2 years about £70, 3 years about £108.