EVGA SC17 1080 finally available

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=768-55-2633-T1

 

I saw this too, I will be looking to see any posts from users about this machine, it looks nice.

 

I put it here!!

See also the comments in the Guru3d.com article (in the bottom by power enthusiasts).

 

I asked EVGA for more details on the panel. This was the reply, which seems like good news.

The 1080 SC17 uses the same panel as the 1070 SC17 with G-Sync; it's a 4K IPS panel manufactured by AUO. Unfortunately I do not have access to the sRGB color gamut figures, and for that I apologize.

The 1070 version had 100% sRGB (Argyll) and 86.9% AdobeRGB 1998 (per this review), so if this is the same I'm a pretty happy camper.

 

I'm not sure I want a 4k screen, I prefer speed and smoothness in my games. I have read that it scales nicely but I would want to try it out before I took the leap to 4K.

 

I'll be doing as much time in spreadsheets etc. as games so I want an all-purpose machine, for which this looks great. I'd be happy gaming at 1080p... that's my current resolution, and it's on a 135" projector so I can't even do high Hz or Gsync. I probably don't know what I am missing.

I have read the Adobe products have a hard time with high res though, I need to look in to that.

Anyway despite the lack of upgradeable CPU and the likely gimped GPU this looks nearly ideal for me.

 

This thing looks nice and EVGA makes quality products. Haven't had any issue in my experience with 6 graphics cards, 1 PSU, and 1 Motherboard.

If my 4th Alienware 17 has problems like the first 3 did then I'm getting a (another actually) refund and buying one of these.

Same specs, American company, good quality control worth a shot.

 

Waiting for a review, but the 240W PSU is a concern. It should perform fine, but the overclocking potential should be limited, especially considering it is marketed as such, i.e unlocked bios, cmos button etc.

Sent from my crappy phone using my very slow internet in the boonies.

 

Despite EVGA's strange power brick. The jack looks very normal pin barrel. May be able to get a 330W aftermarket brick. If Bios is unlocked/"REAL" as they claim, it should just work.



After market Dell 330W


@Papusan @Mr. Fox
Want to take bets that their "Real Bios" is just a fancy XTU shell with some RAM support. No meaningful control over legacy, security, or power options

 

They answered the the question and It looks as thought it will have a 300W PSU


https://forums.evga.com/Introducing-the-EVGA-SC17-1080-GSYNC-Gaming-Laptop-m2704625.aspx

 

Good on them. They noticed the intimidate community backlash on 240W; or they simply copy pasted their previous SC17 specs and forgot to edit them all.

 

Still, 300W ain't good enough. Even MSIBOOK-Asus with single 1080 can push 320W.

 

Yes, it will be interesting to see what users get out of theses machines

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I don't think anybody makes 300W. Even proprietary PSU's. We will see either 330W or 240W with this. Guy on forum was most likely throwing out number based on requests

 

If I remember correctly... Razer make their own 250W who isn't the standard. Design trump functionality and powa!!

 

Since I live in Brazil, electronics cost double what they cost in the US. So everytime I come to the US I either buy a new notebook and sell my current one in Brazil for the price I paid, usually even for a bit more, or buy a notebook for somebody charging commission.
So, my SC17 1080 arrived and it is a nice looking laptop, very clean design without the usual "gamer" details as from other manufacturers. Very solid, no flex, built like a tank so heavier than what I would judge from the photos.. Since I am on the bus to phoenix to get my flight back to Brazil, I will do tests and such if anybody would like. Using the overclocking presets and stress testing with OCCT and FS loop the temps were decent....but I need to test more extensively to reach any conclusions. I was considering the Alienware, but from what I read, it needs work to get the temperatures in check and I prefer the EVGA clean look.
Since I have no experience with overclocking and such, I wil be asking for tips, i.e multipliers, voltage etc.
Eventuallly I am interested in a repaste with LM to see how far the cooling on this machine can go.
i did open it briefly to remove the HD and couldn't quite figure out, with the quick look, how to remove the heatsink.

https://i.imgur.com/AxVoMnU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oq77vH1.jpg

 

my first firestrike score using the superclock preset.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23162697?

This the FS result using the normal preset.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23162856?

Since I never had an HK chip or a K desktop chip.....my question is....can I undervolt it like I do with an HQ chip? especially under a normal multiplier.....and if I decide to overclock by adjusting the multipliers is undervolting not recommended, maybe even the voltage has to be increased?

overclocking the GPU a little more than the superclock preset.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23163873

I still have to figure out the details of the machine....but with a cpu and gpu overclock, running occt with fs loop for over an hour, the cpu temps get into the hte 90s....GPU temps mids 70s max. No overclocking same stress test Cpu lows 80s and GPU high 60s.
I am looking for heatsink info to try a repaste eventually.

 

Those are good scores at stock paste but GTX 1080 can do a lot more.
You can undervolt it w/o any issues. You can adjust all cores to use same multipliers instead of locked ones like HQ chips.

 

Can you post a few screenshots of the BIOS?

 

Although EVGA claims a Bios made for overclocking, it does seem somewhat simple to me....not a Prema Bios or anything, but then again, I never had a a performance machine like this....my last machine had a GTX1060. Will post Bios pics now.....heading back to Brazil in a few hours.

@bloodhawk, sorry for the quality of the bios pics.....taken outdoors and quite a bit of reflection.

 

Nice!! Thanks a bunch for these man.
From the looks if it, this is so much of a better option than any AW/Aorus etc out there with a 1080/1070 , just because of the BIOS. And looking at the heatsink, it seems to be pretty decent. Kind of similar to the one in of the beefier MSI's iirc.

btw, you might want to cover up the serial no. in the first image.

 

@bloodhawk , thanks for the heads up about the number.....but since you quoted my post the image wasn´t altered in the quote.

 

Hi Vistar,

can you measure fan noise at ear level under normal gaming loads (e.g. 20min of Witcher 3 or alike) ? A decibel app with a smart phone will do. I would be very grateful.

As far as I know, EVGA uses a very thick display coating with all their laptops. It gives the lid additional stability, but makes it dimmer and grainy in return (colours/contrast "pop" less). Can you confirm this ?

 

I just arrived back home in Brazil, and getting life in order, including selling some gear to help pay for the financing (Amazon 0%, 12 installments) of this machine.
Next week hopefully, I will have time to post the stress tests results, decibels etc. From the first tests the cooling is just as good or better than alienware out of the box, Asus, Aorus and maybe some MSI....might not be up to the task compared to some thicker MSI and Clevo machines. But I suppose, almost all machines with HK chips or desktop K chips, need some work when overclocking, since it seems most have high temps out of the box when overclocking.
I don´t have witcher 3 on Pc, since my son has on PS4. I can download it though, or some other game works just as well? Rise of the Tomb raider, F1, Wolfenstein

Didn´t notice it as first, but after you mentioned it, yes the matte coating does seem to affect the color contrast, a little grainy but not much, certainly not as vibrant as 4k screens I´ve seen with glossy finish. The brightness is pretty good I would say, though, I used it outdoors here at home, my office....hehe...and it as good as other matte finish laptops I had outdoors.

One thing I was hoping for, since it comes with a 4k screen and the GTX1080 is not great for 4k gaming, that at least I could over clock the monitor at 1080p to something closer to 120Hz instead of 60Hz, even 90 would do. 1440p doesn´t scale as well, so I haven´t tested gaming and image quality at that resolution yet. But the screen doesn´t overclock well....hell even my RB FHD 14" screen overclocks 5%, this one not even that.
It is AUO190B, in case someone has experience with this screen or something similar.

EVGA doesn´t have an extra PSU to sell yet, I always like to have two, especially since I am selling my other systems and the previous SC17 had issues with failing PSU, don´t want to be caught with my pants down with a failed PSU and waiting for replacement without any backup system.
Do you think the Dell is worth a try, or one from MSi or something?
The original is 19.5V.

Since I´ve only had a GTX1060 up to now, not sure what FS graphics other machines with 1080 get....I managed 21903 graphics score with some overclocking. What do the overclocked vbios Alienware cards get? if you know. Thanks.

 

This is @Pete Light 3dmark fs score of gtx 1080 https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/22208128?

 

Sure. Get it from Amazon, they have stellar return policy. If it doesn't work, return it.

 

That is impressive, thanks for the link. If I break 22k on this machine, it will already be a feat. I suppose the vbios on alienware really does make a difference....I guess I will compare this SC17 to an Aorus or something, probably more of a fair comparison, considering the alienware results.

I am going to try this one, but it will take a while before my Dad ships to Brazil...the pin looks like the correct size and the voltage is the same.
https://www.amazon.com/Dell-Adapter...UTF8&qid=1510431204&sr=8-1&keywords=Dell+330W

I did get 22485 (FS graphics) with a GPU OC of 180/550....not sure what is needed to go higher, I believe probably a different vbios or something. Still pretty good considering, certainly not the worst in the bunch.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23243940?

The synpactics touchpad is not very good, but they are using a very old driver. I updated to a windows precision driver, working a lot better, but still a lot to be desired. Then again, most gaming systems are not know for their great touchpads, unfortunately, considering the price. Fine that most use mouses when gaming, but the touchpad is useful when just web browsing or something.

I am getting some huge core temp differential, sometimes around 15C, which makes OC the CPU very difficult....core 2 and 4 are great, but core 1 and 3 are overheating.
I have seen this issue on the alienware forum since it seems to be a common issue with that system, does it happen on other systems as well, like MSI, Aorus, etc? Just maybe with less frequency?
And any suggestions on fixes? Like a repaste and heatsink reset might help? Or usually this issue is only fixed with some heatsink mod, such as rebalancing, bending etc?

 

Return for refund?

 

I am certainly thinking about it....but since I brought the laptop to Brazil, the return won´t be so easy with shipping and risk of customs flag leaving Brazil. But it is doable, if I opt to act now.
However, since it runs fine without major overclocking of CPU, the GPU runs really cool and performs decent, it has the kind of build I like, I was hoping just repasting and resetting would help. maybe not.

 

Mind you... EVGA advertice this, I don't know how I shall call it, with decent overclocking and with high end unlocked firmware.

 

True...haha...but they probably consider 99C normal when overclocking a lot, like Dell.
Also this issue only shows during stress test like OCCT, during gaming or less demanding 100% CPU usage on all cores, temps are fine.

 

99C is still better than, 104C I saw today in the AW camp

 

Hi Vistar,

thanks and I am looking forward to whatever information you can provide.

Witcher 3 has some advantages, as it is taxing the CPU moderately and the GPU hard. A very good simulation of what noise levels you get, when playing a modern, although well optimized game. Other games are less optimized or tax the CPU too much, as they run some stupid copy protection routines permanently. So yeah, starting up Witcher 3 and just standing somewhere with Geralt for 20-30 minutes is a very good simulation of maximum gaming load. However if this is a lot of hassle for you, just use a different AAA title.

The display is indeed the AUO 109B, the best UHD display currently available for 17inch laptops. Under normal circumstances I would buy a laptop with this panel without any further considerations due to its high quality. Having read professional reviews of EVGAs SC 15 and older reviews of previous incarnations of the SC17 I know that they are using a quite thick panel coating, which has a strong anti-glaring effect but also produces a lot of grain (this was also the case with the sharp panel in the 2016 SC 17). Hence my question if this is something you noticed with your new machine.

Cheers

 

@Vistar Shook Did you contact EVGA about this, I have found them to have really good customer service, It would be interesting to see what they say.

 

My issue is that I was going to be in the US for two weeks when my father purchased this for me. However, due to family emergency I stayed only 5 days and didn't test the machine properly, just some benchmarks and stuff and didn't notice the huge core differential until I arrived in Brazil using OCCT. So I royally screwed up, because it is very difficult to return it from here because their is the risk of 100% tax if gets flagged in the local mail. I also here EVGA support is good, I can I always RMA when I return to the US, after all it is two year warranty. Just don't know if I can resist not attempting a repaste to see if it helps, if it is a heatsink issue like on Alienware then only LM might help. I hear that EVGA support is good relative to others but doubt they will honor a RMA down the road if I repasted and such. I will contact them and see what they say.

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I seem to be able to hold 3,9GHz on all cores staying max on 90c on highest core with lowest 72C(stock). The 45W chip though is a joke for overclocking since the PL limit is reached easily, and option to tweak in the suposedly made for overclocking Bios is not available. Having to resort to TS or XTU with mixed results.

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Bummer, tried to unlock the Bios, but it won´t accept unsigned ROM.

Just noticed though in the Precision X software some presets like superclock or custom give the PL Limit of 60 instead of 45....I was just using the wrong custom preset.

 

Is it possible that the screw heads for the heatsink are on the other side of the motherboard? Can't figure out where the srews are at...hehe...probably a good thing so that I can actuallly RMA when I return to the US sometime.

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Just got back from a consulting job in the Amazon, so I had no time to play around with the machine, since taking it to the job was not viable, considering the heat and 100% humidity, plus the theft risk.
Just ran a few quick tests yesterday to test undervolts.
Stock clocks (4 core 35x, 105mv offset), prime95(avx off) for 30min.


OC 4 cores 41x w/ 50mV offset, prime95 30min.


I will be running other tests today, with CPU and GPU loaded as well. Then install Witcher 3 and play a bit, before heading back to the jungle later this week.

 

Because the PL limit is locked in the Bios and XTU or TS cannot change it, the overclocking is limiting to 60W, so realistically 41x on all 4 cores is the limit on this particular machine. I tried unlocking the Bios but the security check fails, the other methods to get around this seem a little to complicated or risky for me.

 

Aida with stock multipliers (x35 4-core) with -105mV. 30min.


Aida with 41x 4-core, -50mV offset, 30min. Here HWinfo says package/ring power limit was triggered, but total draw of 52W was below the 60W limit, and the clocks didn't fluctuate, so not sure what happened.

 

Firestrike Ultra, combined test in loop for 30 min (stock clocks on CPU and GPU).

 

In AIDA64, Check CPU, FPU, Cache and GPU. For now the temps are low esp. PCH. @Papusan I've never seen a BGA perform so good at stock crap paste.

 

AIDA64 stress test with the GPU, CPU, FPU and cache checked, 25min with stock clocks. If I do the 4.1GHz test, it will certainly overheat.....I will try tonight when it is a bit cooler.

 

Even mine was similar after repaste and repad on stock clocks 75C on AW 15. If you're laptop is repasted it will reduce temps by 10-12C and run at 4GHz w/o any sweat.

 

The problem is the marketing nowadays....where these kind of laptops are being marketed as enthusiast machines, with claims of overclocking, desktop GPU performance, Bios made for overclocking and such......when from what I read in this forum, the true enthusiasts, want a lot more, such as fully unlocked Bios, desktop CPUs without the power limits of the notebook unlocked chips,more robust cooling These kind of laptops, with notebook HK chips, limited PSU and getting thinner and lighter with limited cooling, are for the newbies, like myself, moving up the later.....certainly my next notebook, will be a desktop cpu, because it will offer more flexibility when tinkering with overclocks and such, it is certainly a lot of fun.

 

The thing is, I only repasted like 3 laptops and were straight forward, can't find the screws on this heatsink, and it seems like I have to remove the whole motherboard.....perhaps when I go to the States again I can send it to iunlock or something like that, if I am not up to the task.

 

iunlock or any member of team Lhz.

 

Same test with 40x multiplier, 10 min.....overheats and throttles.

 

Test as this Aida64 setup guide. Start with 35x as before.

@Mobius 1

 

@ after edit doesn't notify the person xD

 

Who else is part of team Lhz other than iunlock and d2ultima?

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