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    HL80 and SATA

    Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by addmax, Dec 11, 2006.

  1. addmax

    addmax Newbie

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    :confused: HI ALL!!!

    I have hl80 and hdd samsung work slow UDMA MODE 5 (100 mb/s) but hdd is SATA!

    have BIOS v114!!! IN BIOS NO settings Enhanced SATA !!!!! Hdd default work as Legacy SATA and windows works him as UDMA 5!

    How turn on whis funktion :confusedEnhanced SATA !

    regards (sorry for my bad English)
     
  2. Donald@Paladin44

    Donald@Paladin44 Retired

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    Did you install the operating system yourself?

    Which one is being used?

    Have you installed the Intel chipset driver?
     
  3. pyro9219

    pyro9219 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    UDMA 5 is the same setting as I have, with the intel drivers. I'm taking a stab at this, but I'm assuming your drive isn't over 7200rpm, infact, I'm thinking your drive is 5400rpm.. either way, UDMA 5/ATA100 isn't maxed out, so your not running "slow" by any means. Unless you start running drives 10K RPM plus, you aren't going to see a bottleneck in the drive.

    I'm also taking a stab in thinking that 2.5" drives are actually PATA drives using an SATA interface, since as I said, there is no speed gain to be had, just cost gain.
     
  4. addmax

    addmax Newbie

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    Yes Im install OS *(win xp x64 sp2)
    chipset 8.1.1.1010
    Intel® Matrix Storage Manager dont want to install(mistake when install going)

    HD Tach and HD Tune aversge read speed is 27-32 mb pes sek!!! SLOW
     
  5. pyro9219

    pyro9219 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    Expected for a 4200rpm drive is 15.9MBps to 29.7MBps Internal Ultra ATA/100
    So I'm guessing you have either a 4200 or a 5400rpm drive.

    ATA 6 (Which is what I'm sure you have) has a max of 100mbps... I said max.. not average.. your drive max is only at the center of the platter, while your data is all over your HD...

    I'm sorry you are writing SLOW in all caps like you have some outragious problem, but you are running at NORMAL speeds.

    Chris, can you lock the thread from continuing? Unless someone knows this guy's native language and can translate... this isn't getting anywhere.
     
  6. chrisyano

    chrisyano Hall Monitor NBR Reviewer

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    addmax, do you have a 5400 RPM HD? My 100 GB 7200 RPM HD had read speeds of 20.4 to 46.2 MB/s, with an average of 38.0 MB/s. I think you have a 5400 RPM HD, which would put your readings of 27-32 MB/s right where they should be. You have nothing to worry about.

    My review has the actual screenshot from the HDtune benchmark:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=87751
     
  7. addmax

    addmax Newbie

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    OK! Why Device Manager i can see IDE controllers Serial ATA Storage (Driver Date 13.09.2006) but Primari Ide Channel (Driver Date 1.10.2002)!
    I have HM080II

    Media to/from Buffer (max.) 530Mb/s
    Buffer to/from Host(max.) 150MB/s

    So difference dont perhaps :eek:
     
  8. chrisyano

    chrisyano Hall Monitor NBR Reviewer

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    addmax, please answer my question. Is it a 5400 RPM drive that you have in your notebook?
     
  9. pyro9219

    pyro9219 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    Yes, your host controller is SATA150... so your controller has a max of 150Mb/s. However, without an HD that spins at 15K (like a scsi drive) you wont be able to use that. Even if you have raid sata (like I do in two of my desktops) on 7200rpm drives you can't reach 150Mb/s.

    They design the controllers so that if manufacturers released something that spun faster, the controller wouldn't be the bottleneck.

    Long story short... 5400RPM ATA will transfer the same no matter if its PATA or SATA, the rotation speed is what is limiting. I recommend you go to wikipedia and read on how hard drives work so you can understand better.
     
  10. X-pert

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    I have the same problem with SATA. Is any bios hack to activate AHCI ?
     
  11. pyro9219

    pyro9219 Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    There is nothing wrong with your system, much as the other user... its working as intended and within spec...
     
  12. X-pert

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    Yes, it's working, but without AHCI support. :confused:
     
  13. pyro9219

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    AHCI must be licensed directly from Intel in order to use in your product design. The design must include AHCI on both the drive to host interface card, as well as the microcontroller of the drive itself. AHCI is normally only used on very high end components for use in professional workstations or server environments as it has nothing to do with speed. Advanced Host Controller Interface (AHCI) is for things like hot swap capability and a variety of other uncommon for consumer machine features. Use of AHCI also requires special drivers to be used by the operating system much like a software level raid controller in a desktop (highpoint for example).

    If you require more information or want to debate speed increases from AHCI I'll gladly give you my @intel.com email address and you can talk to me directly since my work at Intel involves almost all hardware engineers for the server and enterprise level systems (the kind with AHCI =P)

    I honestly dont know where you people keep pulling this information that you keep thinking you are missing some key component of your notebook, but I recommend more research before panicking to the public ;)
     
  14. X-pert

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    My hard drive has NCQ (Native Command Queuing) support. If I understand correctly, for NCQ to be enabled, it must be supported and turned on in the SATA host bus adapter and in the hard drive itself. The appropriate driver must be loaded into the operating system to enable NCQ on the host bus adapter. So I want to ask: does NCQ work in situation when SATA is shown as UDMA 5 device in Device Manager?
     
  15. pyro9219

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    You aren't going to have NCQ support on a notebook for probably a long time since most people don't seen benefit unless running servers (and you shouldn't be using a notebook to run a server that is hit hard enough to need NCQ). Real world you wont see a difference. All AHCI supported features really are geared for filesystems that tend to get thrashed and fragged hard, the average user doesn't have this problem.

    http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200601/250_4.html
    http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200601/250_5.html (gaming specific)

    As far as your notebook drive already having support... Hardware often supports things it doesn't need to, because its cheaper to the manufacturer to just build one set of chips and share them among parts.