I just want to see how many of you run a real OS on this computer. I notice less fan time when on it. Anyone else?
If you run Linux, which flavor?
Me - Ubuntu 6.10 Edgy and OpenBSD
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I'm running ubuntu feisty on mine... as to the fans, all of my cpu-intensive work is done in windows so my fans in windows are running most of the time. not a good comparison, sorry. in ubuntu though the fan spins up maybe every minute or so for like 5-10 seconds.
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I have Ubuntu 6.10 as well. So far have not had very much fun because of particular problems that i am having. I guess I am not linux-savy enough to figure them out. One of the main issues is that my HEL80 gets MUCH hotter under Linux, with fan on constantly (not the case in XP)
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I tried Mandriva 2007 for almost 2 weeks when I got my HEL80. Many things worked pretty well but I got frustrated when I couldn't get:
1) to recognize most of the ACPI functions (especially thermal zone detection)
2) WiFi in WPA mode (only WEP)
3) a sensible dual screen mode (nVidia's TwinView has many defaults, and Xinerama is worse... who wants unusable screen rectangles when resolutions differ? who wants the taskbar hidden in an invisible part of your rectangle?)
4) no webcam (although I tried this one hard enough)
5) The CD writer speed was 1/2 of what it should and the buffers kept almost down to 0% most of the time.. no burning errors in the end but very slow (this might be fixable with some amount of configuration and reading lots of HOWTOs and recompiling kernels.. who knows)
5) A keyboard layout that recognizes all the special Fn and media keys. (this is the most easily solved problem by detecting the scan code events in X and configuring them explicitley)
6) I didn't even test other things such as PC-Express card or the fingerprint scanner or Firewire (which I haven't in Windows either so I don't care)
I also tried other live CDs, such as Kubuntu (some bug wouldn't let me install) and the latest beta of PCLinuxOS. None of them recognized the ACPI thermal zone or fan speeds or anything ACPI. This is probably some nonstandard implementation of BIOS/ACPI in this computer (most laptops are very nonstandard in this respect).
All this got me very frustrated and I had real work to do so after more than a week trying to tweak Linux I installed XP and went back to work immediately. Everything worked from the start. I really don't like XP and I'm always afraid of security and of connecting in unknown LANS, etc.. but at least it doesn't give me much trouble. I'll keep trying with Linux though.. I have two free partitions to play
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Wow. That is really atypical. There just isn't a linux driver yet for the webcams on the HGL30/HEL80. I have the Fn+volume and Fn+brightness keys working fine in Kubuntu, all works out of the box by default. I also get WPA access (even WPA2 if I wanted to install that update for Windows on everyone else's computers here) through knetworkmanager. And CD burning speed is about normal, though I have to admit I don't burn that many, and often burn DVD's and CD's on my desktop rather than the laptop. I haven't tried multiple monitors, though. What hardware is in your HEL80? It can't be that different from my machine.
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Let me explain a little further. It's a PowerPro 8:15.. so it's the full blown compal
2 gigs of RAM, 1.83MHz Duo, wsxga screen.
Anyway... the Kubuntu live cd worked better in other areas (Fn keys) but I already said that is easy fixable. The problem with Kubuntu is that the install part wouldn't work. It would hang somewhere in the process (after partitioning or something? I don't remember this was like in November)
The WPA thing was just a mess... iI could have fixed if I had the time to read a lot about wpa_supplicant, but I was time pressed to port all my project to the new computer and get back to programming, and I had already spent a few days playing with the new machine... (maybe WPA is easier out of the box in Kubuntu than Mandriva.. but I couldn't get it to work with Kubuntu Live either.. WEP was easy)
The CD burning experience was true... with K3B but it actually uses some cd recorder library... and I remember having read about the problem during those days, and the solution involved some configuration and recompiling of *something* and then some more tweaking for such and such reasons... I'll look it up in the future if the problem persists with new distros. The thing is that I couldn't burn faster than 10X or so, and that even gave me all those buffer underrun warnings, the CD seemes to have burned OK in the end but it was not a nice experience (burning CDs is always kind of traumatic as in "don't touch anything or you'll ruin it!!!" maybe it was more so in the early days hehehehe)
As for the webcam I meant to say "I DIDN'T try this one hard enough" and it's one of the things I did not expect to work anyway.
Now that we are a it... since the webcam is USB, has anyone tried to use it through VMWare for example? (installing Windows on VMWare and passing the USB through the virtual machine)
Don't get me wrong, I have been using Linux since 1994. When people say "it's not ready for the desktop", I say "it depends on what you mean desktop". Today's Linux desktop solutions are thousands of times better than what was considered state of the art in 2000... so, for older machines with older, popular, and tested hardware, nothing beats it.
For newer machines (today it means mostly laptop computers) with new and exciting and not-so-standard-yet hardware, you are bound to have problems all the time. Linux is always "running behind" Windows in the driver arena. It's getting closer, but still behind.
Another problem for laptop hardware is that it changed much faster than desktops. Let's say that the HEL80 became very popular and nothing new appeared for 2 years, then eventually everything would be working in the distros of 2008-2009. Reality is that by then, 2 or 3 generations of laptop computers would have appeared and disappeared and the open source community wouldn't have time or interest to create drivers for them
Of course all this would change with help from the vendors, but this has already been discussed to death for years, in every forum and mailing list, and I don't feel like writing about it again -
I havn't tried linux yet but I plan on using it sometime in the future, probably within the next year or two. (I'm lookin at Linux Mint as my starting distro)
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I've had linux on this thing in the past. I'll probably put it in again in the future. Probably Slackware. Maybe Debian.
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WPA and WPA2 have worked out of the box using the Intel wireless nic in my system for PCLINUXOS, *Buntu, Sabayon.. linux mint... uhh.. probably about 20 or so distro's I've tried.
Webcam I've never even looked at because I don't use it.
I know atleast in Ubuntu and Kubuntu the speed throttles worked fine once told to use them (all gui stuff.. no config files)
don't use the media keys, couldn't tell ya again.
Composite effects I'm not even going into because they aren't honestly ready for mainstream. I'll just say I have installed, but normally don't use.
Windows partitions work fine for both read/write (used a nice gui tool to "easy setup" ntfs read/write cause I'm lazy)
Never able to burn a CD, but I've not tried to fix it either... just rebooted..
Long story short, I hate bouncing between O/S's to do stuff so I'm mostly in XP Pro (last windows version if I can help it). I'm stuck on my games though, and to many are still not supported.
I'm not happy with the solution always being "dual boot".
Ya know what that translates into for most people? "I already know how / it already works in XP, so I don't ever reboot into linux when I'm done"
Hasn't stopped me from trying though3D acceleration is just around the corner through VMware, and I'm much more able to deal with that then dual booting. Though i'd still rather not have the overhead of the VM in the first place. Oh well.. again.. simple answer.. XP works for all my needs =P
Also just remembered (using Feisty now) that I don't have the ability to
run more then one audio application at a time...
AKA - Teamspeak and Amarok (love this application!)
boo... (thought this worked on previous version, so might just be Feisty glitch) -
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Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft).
One of the only applications I really use it for is valgrind
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Superior for what, alphagamma? Because I find Linux is MUCH better at multimedia stuff, better media players, the same plugin works for EVERY movie in Firefox, rather than having 15 different plugins for different media types, there's no nagware, Beryl is much prettier than the XP desktop, programming is easier in it because of the way the toolchain is set up (not to mention a sane, standardized API, rather than the undocumented, buggy crap that is Win32 and MFC), I have games that work on Linux (Doom3 natively, other games in Wine), as well as many free games like Neverball/Neverputt, Scorched3D, etc. Package management is top-notch, as in I can update the entire system with ALL software updates included with a single command, versus figuring out which programs I installed, or hoping each of them correctly updates itself. I contend that Linux is better than XP in all ways except for the breadth of commercial software available for the system.
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Some notes on that stuff though...
Package repo's only update software install through the package management system... so if for instance, you have newer versions then the repo for compatibility with things you are using, you are back to not having the nice update system.
Full system updates have broken systems I've used (rare occurance, but it can happen).. The point of this is that most people can't work themselves out of trouble from a command line, and don't tend to have a "liveCD" mentality if they are from the WinWorld..
While beryl is cool, it's not necessary or wanted by everyone. I'd personally rather have a nice guide to tell me how to use most of the crap on KDE/Gnome-look.org. People have all this talent for creating stuff, but not the common sense to give you information on how to use it or replication for your own use.
Other then that.... refer to my previous list of gripes... Something about not being able to play MP3's while using teamspeak is rather weak... And I spent a few hours getting help on the #Kubuntu room with no success. I'm still tossing this up to feisty glitches though, and not linux in general because I've had this "normal" functionality before... even the buntu's.
Again.. see my above comment on dual booting not being a solution. That like someone being told to go buy another car when wanting to save money on fuel efficiency... The car payments and higher insurance outway the penny's in gas difference unless you STARTED with the superior economy system.
The longer I'm back the longer I'm debating using SimplyMepis rather then a buntu... or maybe going back to SuSe since that is what I've used in the time before XP.. -
You may appreciate KDE4 then, because they're going to get away from using the aRts server and just using alsa, which should ameliorate all those sound issues. If all your programs used aRts, you'd be ok, or if they all used alsa. The problem comes when they mix those.
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-Hardware support, this would of course be solved if more companies produced drivers.
-Stability, WinXP has never crashed on me even with the hundreds of applications I tried out. Kubuntu did crash on several occasions.
-Speed of GUI. Nice example tried Inkscape on Kubuntu and on WinXP. Feeled and reacted much faster in WinXP.
-Power management, I admit that in latest version 6.10, this has been much improved.
-Booting time, shutdown time.
-Backwards compatibility.
-No foobar
-No avisynth, will change in future.
-Gaming.
-I don't like to be limited in application choice.
BTW for video, there are only two good players, mplayer and VLC and both also exist for Windows and work even faster there.
I still would not recommend it to people who don't know much about PC's. If you don't know how to use command line for example you are pretty much screwed in some cases.
But of course Linux can only get better, same cannot be said of Windows, Vista, I think I will never install that crap, 10% performance only for a fancy GUI, ugh. -
GUI speed is much better in 7.04, even better if you don't use 3D desktop bling.
Startup and shutdown time is also improved.. however, on that note... I hate downtime... I'm very content with a machine that would take 45minutes to boot if it meant I wouldn't crash or need full restarts (I don't consider restarting X a big deal for changes).
Hardware support... hmm... well I guess I've never run into this. ATI stuff I have works well, but is missing features, wireless works on WEP and WPA/2
backwards compatible issues? never heard of that unless you talk about saving files in versions newer then older versions can see.. like saving a word file in Word 2003's format and trying to use Word97 to open it. *shrug*
Gaming... I've got two threads I'm part of already on this.. so I let this rest for now =P
All I do is programming, surf the web, and game with teamspeak. Until all 3 can be met to my standards I'm stuck with just looking at linux from the outside.. -
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I want to do:
Ubuntu 6.10
XP Pro
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I'm running Suse Enterprise Linux 10, and frankly its great. Almost all of my hardware was supported out of the box (except camera, fingerprint reader and TPM). Compiz is really cool. For the most part I use it for most of my day to day stuff, but I'm dual-booting with XP for the games and such. Do have some annoyances though:
-Mouse seems to go crazy after the notebook warms up for a while.
-Package management in SuSe sucks. I wish it was more like Ubuntu.
-Wish Linux had better Bluetooth support -
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Hmm, my ethernet stopped working suddenly for no reason in kubuntu 6.10.
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Hi there,
I'm running Gentoo with the 2006.1 profile on x86 on my HEL80/81 (not quite sure which one - I'm told it is a HEL80). It was quit a piece of work because the Kernel coming along on the installation CD didn't support the ethernet chipset (network is needed...), but I was able to build the system using a Ubuntu 6.10 CD. WLAN works fine with WPA, sound and graphics are good. I'm using fluxbox as my WM and am really happy with it because it is not that bloated and I must say that like this setup way more than WinXP (ok - kde Apps tend to take some time to start...).
Problems I came across so far:
- Installation (Gentoo issue, solved)
- Beeping noise when on battery (discussed in another thread and I would call it solved)
- Touchpad goes crazy sometimes (no solution until now - using an usb mouse instead)
- Special Keys and fn-keys (not tried)
- Webcam (not tried)
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Salix, I've installed Gentoo a couple of times now on my HEL80, but I've always got issues...I installed networkless, and after installing, I installed the vanilla 2.6.20 kernel which supports the ethernet card, then I downloaded the Gentoo kernel and that's what I'm currently using...But! I have no sound..Alsa doesn't find any compatible sound cards, and the soundserver in KDE crashes all the time...also, I want to update the complete KDE (and world while I'm at it), but it's just a lot of errors and stuff...
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Well, I bought my notebook at the end of november 2006 so it's been quite a while and I don't remember everything but this should do it:
- just boot up the Ubuntu Live CD
- find a way to have the gentoo installation docs available
- open a console and su
- prepare your discs (partitioning and creating fs)
- # mkdir /mnt/gentoo/
---taken from http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml---Knoppix install
At this point, you can pick up with the standard install documentation at part 4. However, when you are asked to mount the proc system, issue the following command instead:
Code Listing 3.2: Bind-mounting the proc pseudo filesystem
# mount -o bind /proc /mnt/gentoo/proc
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Sound worked without a problem here - I just had to compile the right chipset into the kernel (not quite sure which one it was, because I cannot access the notebook right now). Take a look at lspci and lsmod right after you booted ubuntu.
To get ethernet working easilly you need gentoo-sources-2.6.18-gentoo-r6 or later.
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Thank you Salix! I'm sure it will be helpful!
...I guess the sound chipset is Intel HD...anyways, I'll figure it out at one point
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The machine I'm writing from now is an HEL80 running Debian etch. Most things work just fine -- the exceptions being:
* The TV tuner card that came with the machine doesn't have drivers for linux, and it's too new to have public support yet. The upshot is, no TV tuner, despite having the hardware;
* The fan speeds and thermal sensors can't be found. I hear there is (again) hardware in this machine that the manufacturer has decided isn't worthy of Linux;
* No webcam or flash media reader. Again, darn hardware manufacturers and their stupid, windows-only, "we'll never release our specs to the public" take on the world;
* The machine gets hot, despite frequency scaling working. Don't know why, yet; I'm working on it.
What does work well:
* Full 3D video accelleration. Yay to NVidia for releasing good Linux drivers for their cards;
* Frequency scaling;
* SMP;
* Wireless A/B/G -- yay for Intel for releasing enough info for drivers to be created for their hardware.
Most of the time this machine is light duty -- we're talking Web browsing and DVD playing, mostly. I've also been stiching together panoramas from digital pics. I have another machine that I use for gaming -- Rome Total War doesn't run on Linux -- and an XBox to fill in the rest. So far I've had good luck running Debian on my HEL80 -- I just wish ENE and/or Compal would release what they need to for the TV tuner and the fan/sensors.
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I got Gentoo up and running on my computer as well...To get the online thingy working, I booted up with the livecd, installed networkless with as few packages as possible (because I wanted everything the latest from the portage tree
)..With that done, I installed the latest vanlila kernel which has support for the ethernet card. With the ethernet card working, I could download the gentoo-sources and install them..
The rest went like a breeze with the portage system, except the soundcard... The ALSA drivers integrated in the kernel does not work with the laptop version of the Intel HD audio, so I had to completely disable those from the kernel and install those externally (emerge alsa alsa-driver). Now the sound system detected my card, but still it wasn't working.. The volume regulations were weird and the volume levels weren't the ones that I wanted to adjust. Then I figured out that the cards are made in several versions, in which what laptop they're in.. I didn't know what version the card was, so I set it to "ref" (reference), which is the base configuration, and it worked like a charm.
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Hel80 Ubuntu Screen Resolution Detection:
I was wondering if anyone ran into the same problem on their Hel80 as myself. When I go to system>preferences>screen resolution the only option available is the 1680 and refresh rate of 50hz. I would like to be able to change this for gaming purposes. I read somewhere in a forum that a fix might be to manually edit the X config by putting in a suitable range of refresh rates. Anyone know about this ? or what range the matte screen supports? -
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Your screen doesn't support a higher refresh as far as I know. Why do you need a higher refresh? An LCD isn't like a CRT, you don't need a higher refresh due to the way that pixels are only changed when they need to be, rather than with every "scan" of the screen.
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Yea, I think it was more of a way of getting Ubuntu to recognize other screen resolutions. I edited my xorg to include all the others, but I still don't get the option to change to them.
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Like I said.. it happens after installing the hardware accelerated video card.. someone in an IRC told me that the nvidia driver uses a different method of storage or something.. Said would have to wait for updates in ubuntu to get the GUI to interface with those settings. I lost interest in linux (yet again) because of this and many other issues that I just don't have time for.
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I use Slackware Linux exclusively on my HEL80 and all my desktop/server
machines. I also preinstall Slackware on Compal notebooks that I sell to
Industrial customers (engineers).
I'd be hard pressed to find a better notebook for everyday use than the HEL80.
--Raliegh
15.4" WSXGA+ "Matte" LCD with nVIDIA GeForce Go 7600 w/256MB.
Intel Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz Processor
2GB DDR2/667 Memory, 100GB SATA150 5400RPM, 16X DVD/24x10x24 CD-RW.
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I just installed Ubuntu Feisty on the HGL30 that just came in the door. But I'm hitting my head hard against the wifi kill switch. I've upgraded BIOS, but acerhk says that it can't find BIOS routines for toggling it. So, it seems there is a supported Wifi card that I can't use, because I can't turn the kill switch... :-( I didn't see anybody else complain about this, how did you solve it?
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kjetilk lol
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The kill switch is most often not supported by Linux, so you'll have to leave it on all the time...On my HEL80 though, the drivers for the ipw3945 card could see the state of the radio kill switch (gives warning 'blabla kill switch active')
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hi,
i just got a compal hel80 today and have problems with wifi, which is not fully recognized
i'm ubuntu user and newby with feisty install cd
anyone could give me a hand on fresh install that gets all, wifi included, working?
thanks a bunch it's really frustrating not having it all functionning -
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Hi Everyone,
I installed Kubuntu Dapper and then Feisty x86_64 versions in dual-boot configuration. I was exclusively a win user for a long time, had some experience with unix in school, and finally a month ago got really interested in open source. I've been really pleased with the experience. I run much cooler. Almost all my hardware has worked well with one exception. I've had serious problems getting the proprietary nvidia drivers to work consistently. I've tried many techniques from automatix2 to the Add/Remove Programs adept interface to the System Settings method in Feisty.
This is no joke: I can only get the nvidia drivers to work when I'm at work. I bring the computer back home, and I can't get X11 to start. I end up restoring a backed-up xconf file. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Let me know if my question could be better directed.
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- check the Restricted drivers manager (system ->administration->restricted drivers manager), to see if you can enable them.
- try Envy
- the 64 bits version has less support then the 32 bits version. Think if you really need 64 bits, and otherwise consider 'down'grading to 32 bits!
for more info you could also check ubuntuguide.org
I have one question myself, has anyone figured out how to get the webcam working on linux/ubuntu? -
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Just wanted to chip my few pence in - here goes:
Running ArchLinux 0.8 on my Compal HEL80 (a 1.46GHz celeron M, 512MB 667MHz DDR Ram, 100GB Toshiba HD, gf7600).
So,here, the positive first - what works:
* Sata controllers (disks come up as sd* and sr* for cd-rom/dvd-rw)
* Video card ('nvidia' proprietary drivers)
* USB 2.0 (uhci, ehci)
* MMC card reader (sdhci)
* Sound (inluding the internal winmodem- you need the slmodem smartlink modem daemon for this, sans the slmodem drivers themselves tho - the daemon itself will do, as it runs through alsa, the command to run it with is "--alsa hw:0,6" which means use alsa device 0 subdevice 6, which, tada, is none else than the modem)
* Firewire (not tested, tho kernel picks it off well enough)
* CD/DVD recording. (tested with k3b as of 26.04.07)
* Suspend/resume, lid closure properly picked off
* Sound up/down media keys (with the aformentioned by someone hp keyboard layout)
* Integrated ethernet (r8169, properly working in 2.6.20 and -probably- up)
* PCMCIA/Cardbus slots (yenta and friends)
* CPU clocking/etc (p4-clockmod + cpufreq-ondemand etc, I prefer to use cpufreq-conservative myself especially on battery life. that's for the celeronM tho - the core2duo get's picked up probably by the centrino which is far superior to the celeronM unfortunately for poor souls like myself- the p4-clockmod doesn't support fast switching of frequencies, which means, most often you're sort of feeling the underclocking, but once you launch a longer than few milisec process it does jump right up to the game)
* I2C sensors (i2c_i801, eeprom, i2c_core, nvidia - show properly temperatures through lm_senors of the cpu, nvidia card, etc. dunno how accurate. but they seem to work)
* TPM trusted platform module (tpm, tpm_infineon - can't really say what use I have from it, but since it's picked off by the linux kernel and seems to work, why not have it there)
...and as for the negative (what doesn't/I haven't tested yet):
* video camera (probably will be working soon- it's manufacturer and usb product ID's are listed on the gspacv linux usb webcam driver for over 280 cameras website)
* media keys (fn+f9-f12, fn+f4-f5 - brightness, which used to work, before the 'vista compatibility brightness setting' bios patch - :/, still work in bios, and since for me the lowest setting is more than enough, It doesn't really bother me)
* the microphone seems very very quiet in 2.6.20. .21 seems to have some alsa stuff incorporated - may be that it gets some improvements to the sound system, it's still reasonably new chips these hda intel ones (realtek actually, urgh) 's a minor issue tho if you'd ask me 'bout it.
* the fingerprint scanner (tho a lot of work seems to be done about it - I'll post some results soon as I'm still browsing myself for it. even authentec seems to claim linux support 'soon' if not actually already there, so hell it might work sooner than I think)
* few keys in the top right corner, tho someone's already addressed these in this thread before me so I reckon, go bug him/her ;-)
What could use improvement? probably the nvidia drivers, underclocking etc. doesn't prolly work too well on the linux drivers, as compared to the window$ versions. also, some stuff like the media buttons or acpi i mentioned in the linux+acpi thread would be nice to get that fixed too, but i guess one can always load custom acdt, which maybe fixing the issues, or at least some of them.
regards, and big up to all the linux/compal supporters! -
orait, so here goes:
aparently the ubuntu page contains most information about fingerprint by Authentec (why could this be heh)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FingerprintAuthentication?highlight=(fingerprint)
there it is.
also, there's some other pages, but mostly the main ones and the most important ones are listed on the one above.
regards,
//m.
ps. http://mxhaard.free.fr/download.html <- here's the webcam page, maybe someone might want to help me bug the driver writers, I'll do so tomorrow surelythere already seems to exist a driver for the Sonix camera with identical lsusb output to the one we have in our HEL80 (vendor identical, product almost).
Look here: http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html , search for the string 'microdia'
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I'd like to happily confirm that 'video.ko' loaded controls the brightness keys flawlessly on 119B.
Also, fingerprinter works ( http://www.ag-networking.com/ with this software I was able to get a print, with ./usbrunner. needs to be ran as root).
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Note that with 2.6.22+ if you compile a custom kernel, disable ATA driver and enable SATA. In the past I had both compiled, but now, since the ATA loads first, it captures the controller before the SATA driver, and keeps the kernel from setting up your hard drive properly.
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That's a great tip Raliegh! Thanks
How many of you run Linux on your Compal
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