IFL90 vs. G1s

If your goign off to college, I'd personally get the less-stylish notebook so no one steals it. It's cheaper. It has better battery life. And from what I hear, Asus includes a bunch of crappy software with their notebooks. I know they do with their desktop parts. It sounds very compelling. Compal = compelling!

 

I think the Compal looks more professional whereas the G1S looks very gamer like. If it was about looks, and I was in public, I'd want to come off as more of a professional guy rather than gamer guy. Not that I'm ashamed to be a gamer or anything, I'm quite proud of it, but I prefer looking professional as opposed to gamer like. But that's just me and my opinion of it all =)

 

I think it shines just fine in the pictures, I just want it really shiny... lol

 

Hey man, eating glue probably isn't too good for you. I know it's off topic, but I just wanted to let you know out of concern for a fellow forum poster hehe

=p

 

You know, there's also the rockdirect Pegasus 670. I've no clue what ODM made it, but it look like a Compal with a few nice frills - and the stats are quite nice too.

 

The Rock Pegasus 670 works out about £200 more for the same spec, i also feel that that media button ring on the palm rest would annoy me and get in the way, they should have put it nearer the top like the new Sony FZ11 series has done.

 

Let's say I am considering purchasing a notebook and am looking at both the Compal and the Asus.

I have the money to max out either the Compal or the Asus.

Asus - T7700 2.4 Ghz, 4 GB RAM, 160 GB Seagate 7200 RPM HD, etc.

Compal - T7700 2.4 Ghz, 4 GB RAM, 160 GB 7200 RPM HD, etc.

Which one would be a better performer and more reliable in the long run? OR more specifically, which would be a better purchase?

 

I'm no expert, but I think for reliability they are similar.

As far as performance, if you are just looking for the best gaming machine, then I think the G1S is the best. By how much is what everyone is interested in figuring out, it looks like they are comparable in that capacity also.

Both systems maxxed out cost about the same I believe, the Compal is nice because you can customize it more, but if you want the specs listed above the prices will be similar.

I think it comes down to the little things: Do you want the gamer look that the G1S offers, or the HDMI and DVI ports that Asus has and Compal doesnt? You get Vista like it or not with Asus, you can go with nothing on the Compal if you have your own version already. The Compal has a larger battery in it so it gets better life, at least with the batteries that come with the machines.

Only going by benchmarks, G1S is the better of the two. I think they are similar enough though that you can look at all the other factors and decide that way. For a lot of people it came down to the flashiness on the G1S, for some it just wasnt for them. For me I dont particularly want the flash, and I can get a Compal that will do what I need for 300+ lower than the G1S.

 

Make sure to compare warranty terms too. When looking at the Compal, there's a significant difference in price and warranty terms between going with the Sager NP2090 with its minimum warranty and the Compals typically branded and sold by resellers like the PowerPro (at PowerNotebooks). I chose the Sager over the PowerPro because I knew I was going to spend a significant portion of the 3-year warranty on the PowerPro away from the US so I would have paid for a warranty I would not have been able to use. The G1S as sold at Newegg has a 2 year warranty which I think works internationally. That would have been nice for me but I did not like the looks of the GS1, its price and the fact that you cannot buy it without Vista. (I run Linux as my primary OS and already have a transferable license of XP.)

Differences in shipping costs and taxes can also be significant depending on where you buy. Mind you, I think that for both the G1S and Compal you can avoid taxes.

 

I'd be interested in the price of the Asus after your upgrades. From the dealers I looked it it appeared that you were buying the Asus with 2gig of ram and 160gb 5200rpm drive but they were still charging you almost full retail for the ram and HD upgrade. It looked like it'd be better to buy the stock G1S, the upgrades from Newegg and celling the old ram and HD on ebay.

Can you configure both and give us the price?

 

I disagree with sco_fri, just because the specs are the same doesnt mean the pricing will be similar. You will end up paying approximately 20-25% more for the Asus, although i live in england, ive seen pricing structures are similar accross a range of different websites in the U.S. The only advantage the asus had before was its looks(althought that may be a disadvantage according to your taste) and the gddr3 ram it uses for graphics. IF the IFL-90 definetly does use gddr3 ram, and you like the kind of simple plain proffessional older looking laptop, the you will save a lot more on the IFL-90. I think they both use the same resolution on the screen now too, however the IFL-90 uses 512mb of ram rather than asus 256, and has easily accessible usb ports, still at that 20-25% saving. Basically, if you dont mind the look of your laptop, the Compal seems to be a better choice. On build quality, Compal are apparently the 2nd largest notebook manufacturer in the world, and are linked to Asus or use their parts or something (so ive heard). Ive heard nothing bad about compal build quality so far.

 

Also can someone explain to me the benefit of having a HDMI socket on a laptop, i just dont get it. Ive asked in other forums with no reply. If the laptop hada hd dvd or blu ray drive on it then maybe i could understand, but even then surely people would rather just buy a blu ray or hd dvd player for their tv and have a remote option. The only possible thing i can think of is to play downloaded HDtv content from your hd onto your tv, but i how often do people do that. Is it for gaming on a big LCD or plasma screen? Am i missing some really useful function out here? I have no opinion either way and am happy to accept a use for the HDMI, it would help me to decide between these two laptops.

 

I priced out the Sager with a 7700, 4gig of memory, the 160gig 7200 drive, bluetooth, Vista premium and a 2 year warranty and the price w/out shipping comes to $2226.00. I knew all that, I didnt take into account the Asus upgrades (boy is the 7700 upgrade expensive) Matching the maxxed out Compal, the G1S came to $2654. So I stand corrected, the Compal wins in that catagory pretty easily. Best bang for buck goes to Compal.

 

Its for connection to HDMI displays, but since it doesnt send both sound and video its not a heck of a lot different than DVI. You will get better picture quality connecting via hdmi than vga, but if you arent going to be connecting that often it isnt much of an issue. I wish the Compal had that or dvi, but I can handle the vga only.

 

Have you got a laptop yet or are you planning to buy one soon, if so which have you decided on? Im leaning to wards the compal ifl-90, which in england is the rizeon fl-90. With the english one thought, it uses ddr2 graphics memory, has a 1440*900 display, glossy not matt, and has no tv tuner option. On the plus side, you can have a custom lid with any design you want which i think is pretty good, as long as you dont pick a lame design for it.

 

How does the IFL-90 stay shut, theres no latch or clip?

 

Regarding HDMI. Yep, if you have BlueRay or HD-DVD, it is a must.

If you don't, an HDMI plug is better if you are going to plug it into any device that accept an HDMI or DVI input. (That includes most HDTVs and LCDs.) HDMI to DVI conversion is trivial and does not degrade the signal. The problem with using RGB to drive a fully digital device (like HDTV or LCD) is that a digital signal is converted to analog and then to digital again. That causes some loss. How much better HDMI is over RGB is debatable. I've thought about that and researched it on other boards. The best technical information I was able to find argued that for most people in most situation if we are talking about *recent* models (recent computer, recent display), the difference between HDMI and a RGB connexion is not major.

sco_fri, normally HDMI carries video and audio. Is it that graphic card manufacturers have not provided any functionality to allow for audio in the HDMI output???

 

I decided for the Compal IFL90 (branded Sager NP2090) over the G1S. My current laptop is a Dell Inspiron 600m. Be careful about putting too much stock into inferring performance differences based on specs. Take a look at what people are reporting about the Sager NP2090 right now in the "Sager and Clevo" and the "Compal" forums. From what I saw there, the synthetic benchmarks that have come up so far are not far from the G1S. However, what really counts is real world performance in games. Often a difference that appears huge in synthetic benchmarks makes for little difference in reality.

 

I am going to go with the IFL90 also, I can get what I need for $1400 or so and I just couldnt justify the G1S. I am a big fan of Asus as a company though.

For HDMI to work the sound and video would need to come together inside the notebook, right now it looks like the hdmi just runs from the gpu. Someone had said there is a gpu configured for that, but its not in any of the Asus models as far as I know. If HDMI were to stick around I am sure the gpus would all do that at some point in the future, but I read somewhere in the forums that there is already a new connection being adopted.

 

That's what I thought the explanation would be.

Damn! Sometimes it does feel like manufacturers are pushing technology out the door just to force us to upgrade for no good reason at all. What the heck is the problem with HDMI?

 

Gi1b0, let me answer this for you.
First of all, HDMI carrys both audio and video unlike the person who said it didnt.
And HDMI is not just for HD or BluRay content and you dont have to have either high def drives to see the benefits of HDMI.

First lets go over the speed on HDMI. HDMI cables have 5Gbps of bandwidth which is huge! (new 1.3 HDMI now is capable of 10Gbps) Secondly, HDMI can carry eight channels of 24-bit high quality audio and it does all of this uncompressed! No conversion, no compression, no loss of any details whatsoever, just pure digital one to one signal. And it does this all in just one cable.

Now, the other benefit of HDMI is if you were to be doing design work, or film editing or photography where you needed an external bigger monitor for proofing etc. HDMI allows you to exactly match pixel-by pixel the native resolution of the screen with whatever source device you've got connected to it. Theres no fuzzy logic or second guessing as you have with vga.
Now so what youre laptop screen isnt capable of 1080p. Maybe youre external screen may be capable? What if you decide to purchase a laptop tv tuner later down with a HD decoder? Everything you view and watch now is of a digital content.
Why watch a digital DVD movie only to transmit it over vga cable to an external digital monitor? Makes no sense.
Thats like buying a high end tennis racket and then stringing it with fishing line. Or buying a Porsche only to fill it up with normal gas.

Lastly, maybe one day you may want to play one of your games where you wanna try it on a 42inch monitor. HDMI will rock your socks!
Ill end this with, were in the digital age now and considering Compal is a fabricator for so many other notebooks and still not including HDMI in their notebooks is inexcusable. Plain and simply dumb. Wake up Compal, this is 2007!



One other thing....vga choaks your digital content. In text mode vga is only capable of resolution of 720 by 400 pixels and for graphics the max resolution would be 640 by 480 (with 16bit colors) or 320 by 200 (with 256 colors).
So in conclusion vga is ONLY capable of transmitting a color palette of 262,144.

HDMI has its vga's color palette beat in the millions!

 

Some good points, i live in england and i cant see a tv tuner with HD hitting our shelves here for another 5 years minimum. HD tv itself is just starting up and most people here still havent got a HD lcd or plasma. Also, what good is HDMI even if you get a HD TV Tuner, the hdmi is out only right? If your screen is capable of HD why would you but a HD tv tuner for your laptop, and then plug your laptop to the tv screen, wouldnt you just get a HD Tuner for the TV itself and leave the laptop out of it, plus you would have a remtoe with a HD TV Tuner for the tv. I see your point about presentations though, especially if your a designer, but surely they would get specialised graphical laptops, maybe Mac's. If im going to watch a dvd movie i would put it in a dvd player to watch on tv, i wudnt run it thru a laptop, thats just ridiculous. Alot of your arguements dont make any real world sense. When the day comes that i want to play games from a laptop on a 42 inch monitor i would have just bought a better home computer with better graphics to do that. Or just buy an xbox360/ps3 at much cheaper cost and more multi-player ability. I wouldnt realistically even use vga let alone hdmi, but i understand everyone is not like me and may have millions of uses for this. To me, most of these reasons seem studpid, am i wrong?

 

Stupid* ( I type fast and dont recheck my spelling :-D). Something else by the way, my arguement wasnt why is HDMI better than VGA, which is what MikeyMike seems to be answering, i was asking what is the use of having HDMI period.

 

If a compal not having HDMI saves me £300/$600, i think i could just about get over that "inexcusable" disaster and fatal mistake they have made.

 

Im sure i used to have a monitor that was connected via VGA, and am sure i got more than 720*400 resolution on my monitor and more than 16bit colour.

 

Its not necessarily for having the need for real time watching of HDTV content. With a HDTV laptop tuner you are able to record specific programs right onto your harddrive. hmmmm.... you didnt think of that did you?
Buying a HDTV laptop tuner is an very cost effective way of getting HD without having to buy a HD box/decoder then a home DVD recorder.
A HDTV laptop tuner is a fraction of the price of a home setup.
Then once you have your program, say a footie ball world series game, recorded it will be recorded as high def content. You can then play it back which ever way you choose. If you have an external monitor and a whole pile of friends over to watch it, HDMI cable out to ur monitor and watch your friends jaws drop at the picture!
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/artec-t14a-usb-tv-tuner-hdtv-on-a-laptop-188648.php
^^ HDTV tuner is only $89 vs possible $500+ for home DVD recorder plus HD cable box plus monthly cable subscription fees.

Not necessarily would all designers be flocking to macs. My point is its just an example of what benefit you get with HDMI if you were to need such an output for such presentations.

What if youre in a remote location? At school? at Work?
Did you know the second most popular media(other than gaming) to do with a laptop is to use it to watch DVD movies?

They may not make sense and that may only be because you havent had any real world purpose or need for HDMI yet.
Your TV at home probably has S-Video in and your DVD player may have optical out. Both of those are probably useless to you too unless one day you find you have a need for them.

There will always be a lot of what-ifs.
As far as im concerned youre NOT looking at a cheap run of the mill laptop for $1000. The IFL90 is spec'd high enough to compete with popular gaming machines. To me its inexcusable not to have HDMI or DVI out in a laptop in this day and age.

Sure you can go and buy a xbox or ps3 and play it on a big monitor but let me ask you this....

Lets for a moment pretend that the IFL90, xBox and PS3 are all the same. There are all gaming devices. Each machine has its own dedicated games. PS3 has its own, XBox has theirs and your PC has its own PC games.

Now lets say the IFL90 has no screen, lets just for the time being pretend it comes with no screen just like a XBox and PS3.

Now, lets hook up all 3 to an external monitor just for the cause. Hmmmm... XBox has HD out, PS3 has HD out.... oops... the IFL90 doesnt... what a crappy picture that has!



Youre reasonings for its usefulness is only justifiable by you and only you. I just find it insane that a manufacturer would think that all its buyers live in the 90's.
Anyways, a purpose has no purpose until you find a purpose for it. Did that make any sense??? lol
Accepting old technology only stagnates your growth and acceptance to whats new.

 

Posted by me earlier
"The only possible thing i can think of is to play downloaded HDtv content from your hd onto your tv, but i how often do people do that."

MikeyMike Quote : With a HDTV laptop tuner you are able to record specific programs right onto your harddrive. hmmmm.... you didnt think of that did you?

-- Yes basically the same thing, downloading/recording.

MikeyMike : What if youre in a remote location? At school? at Work?
Did you know the second most popular media(other than gaming) to do with a laptop is to use it to watch DVD movies?

-- If your in a remote location what are the chances your going to have a 42 inch HD TV at hand, just for watching dvds on. Where is the evidence to show watching dvds on a laptop is the second most popular thing to do. Even if thats true these ppl would surely watch the dvd on their laptop and not hook it up to a high defintion tv. The way you put it forward suggests that the second most popular thing all people do with their laptops, is watch dvds using HDMI.

MikeyMike : They may not make sense and that may only be because you havent had any real world purpose or need for HDMI yet.
Your TV at home probably has S-Video in and your DVD player may have optical out. Both of those are probably useless to you too unless one day you find you have a need for them

-- The fact that i have a dvd player in my home just prooves my point, why am i not using a laptop instead of a dvd player, because its too awkward and bothersome to set that up each time and have no remote etc. Regardless of the extra ports the dvd player has these can serve much more future use realistically, ie, if you get a new tv that can use s-video, or a new home cinema surround that uses optical. I can see more people doing those things than hooking a laptop up to their HDTV just cos it has hdmi on it.

MikeyMike: Now lets say the IFL90 has no screen..

--Lets not because thats just stupid, the ps3 and xbox are cheaper because they have no screen, i wouldnt spend $2000 on a laptop with no screen.

Nobody I know uses either a computer or a laptop to game on a 42 inch plasma, its just annoying to play on.

I know my reasons for its usefulness are my own, i just personally cant see any real world use for it now or in the future, and dont think spending an extra $600 for HDMI is worth it, by the time HDTV is more widely available and by the time blu-ray hd dvd discs are around with more movies on, the prices of all the hardware will come down and i will just buy a blu-ray hd dvd player for my tv set up.

People are not paying high prices to get that HDMI port, they are paying for the processor and the graphics card, thats where most of the money lies, then things like ram and hard drive, cost wise HDMI is much lower down on the list.

 

Im not accepting old technology, im just not accepting ALL new technology. By the way, if HDMI came with the laptop id still take it, obviously. I just cant see myself using it and am putting these points forward to give readers other things to think about that may help them decide between the asus g1s adn the compal ifl-90. The e-sata and HDMI are one of the major differences between the two laptops. I dont mean to come off sounding like a d**k in my last post although im sure i do, , but $600 is a lot to some people. I do think it should have at least come with DVI, even though id probably never use that either, most pc graphics cards and monitors are completely DVI nowadays.

 

Gi1b0, I have not read all of the discussion in all details but if I understand you well you think going with a laptop that does not have HDMI is okay. My opinion is that yes, it is okay in this day and age especially given that you don't seem to have HDMI-capable hardware to use your computer with. Don't sweat it.

 

Im not sweating anything, i have no positive or negative feelings to this at all. If it comes with HDMI great, if it doesnt, i dont see it as a big selling point to pay an extra £00/$600 for and get an asus g1s.

 

Indeed, I think the same. That's why I bought an IFL90 (branded as a Sager NP2090).

 

Do they give you the option in america to customise the lid of the ifl-90. In the uk, rizeon let you design a lid cover for the FL-90.

 

I think XoticPC offers various kinds of cases on the IFL90. I'm not sure whether you can use a fully custom design or not. That's not something I looked into because it is way too expensive for me.

 

wow, ur reading way too much into the posts and taking things out of context.

Good gawd man.... obviously i wasnt meaning if youre in a remote location you should have a big screen hanging out of your pocket. sheeesh

I think you fail to see that a laptop is a personal piece of hardware that people carry with them from room to room from place to place like a cell phone or mp3 or simular personal device.
Sure you may wish to watch a DVD on your home DVD player but if everyone thought the way you do they they would never buy multiple devices in any other hardware.
You'd be saying, why would i need a cell phone since i have a phone at home etc. as reflecting youre comment of why would i use the awkwardness of the no remote laptop DVD... well, some people like the private viewing of movies in their bedrooms with headphones or watching educational DVD content at a school library etc.
The option of having HDMI out is just that... a nice option. No diff than having audio jack, extra USB ports etc

Of course nobody does in youre area... you already said most people here still havent got a HD lcd or plasma and wont have any HD content for at least 5yrs. So we can agree youre technology is still in 2001.


Lastly, the HDMI port is NOT a $600 option. Theres more than just the HDMI that separates the G1S and the ILF90. For me the biggest diff is the screen. The G1S kills the ILF90's screen hands down. But then again that may not matter to you.



But outside of the fact that you have no use for it or see no use for it for the next 5 years is fine, its the other mainstream people who are up on the new technology who are most displeased that the option is not there considering 95% of all laps now have HDMI or DVI out.

When viewing any other type of laptop a lot of people may express oh no it doesnt have e-Sata or HDMI out or ExpressCard etc etc. they may not have any devices at the time they buy the laptop but you cant fault people from looking ahead at the possibilities of having the newest connectivity.
I bet the majority of people on this board have no ExpressCard devices. But they all want them so as to not stop them from expanding the possibilities of what may be needed in the future.

Compals inability to add the up to date hardware connectivity only means they are targeting buyers who are just that.... have no interest in expansion of their connectivity horizons

 

"The G1S kills the ILF90's screen hands down"

Nobody has the WSXGA+ screen yet on the IFL90, so how do we know that?

Also, from what I had read, the HDMI on the G1S only sends out video, are you saying it sends both? That would be good news but I had read differently in the ASUS forum.

Edit - NM, I found the answer, the G1S only sends video through HDMI, at least thats what an owner said in this thread, post #12 http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=134871

 

i dont care about screen res. 100-150lines of vertical res means crap to me.
Im talking about color accuracy, bit depth, dynamic range, contrast ratios of the G1(non S) which i have physically measured at a friends studio.

And yes HDMI will carry both. That guy need to go into the TV's settings and adjust the audio source in order for him to be able to get audio from his HDTV. Unless his HDTV is just a monitor and has no built in speakers lol.
I had a friend who did that. Hooked up his 32inch monitor and said theres no sound...well duhhh ...ur monitor has no speakers!

It would be truly moronic of Asus or any manufacturer for that matter to add HDMI out if its only for video dont you think??? if that was the case then they should have just used a DVI port.

 

Definitely would be, yes. Thats good to hear, because I was scratching my head with why they would throw video only hdmi on there AND dvi. My only conclusion had been just to offer more options, since my HDTV only has the hdmi and vga inputs.

Edit - I searched the forums and only found G1S users stating that audio didnt work, and I also found there is only one gpu for a desktop that is capable of merging the audio and video together. It seems as if there is only video sent through HDMI with the G1S and others. That makes sense because the GPU would need to be connected to the audio somehow for it all to work, so it isnt by choice that its video only but because they are technologically unable to at the moment.

 

I think my post is the source of wich you found out about the only gpu that does audio over hdmi. The ATI 2900XT thats true.

I was just thinking about how they would incoroporate this into the notebook models last night tho and realized there is one big difference.

On a desktop all your ports are directly from your gpu. In a notebook tho, they are based off your motherboard. So in this case... its the mobo that decides this and its possible that it sends audio due to the intergrated sound on the motherboard and that the gpu is totally independant and not responsable for it.

However I have a feeling that its video only, no way to confirm. I will be able to confirm witht the C90S tho, as my 37" HD LCD has multiple inputs including hdmi and it has its own speakers.

Anybody in tampa local is more than free to stop by and test if they want on my LCD

 

Yes your post was where I got that, correct. I would think there must be a way to do it, but I did see 3 separate posts from Asus G1S owners that said no sound, and I also saw in the HP forum that the upcoming HDMI in their models will be video only as well.

 

"Good gawd man.... obviously i wasnt meaning if youre in a remote location you should have a big screen hanging out of your pocket. sheeesh"

So whats the point your trying to make about being able to use HDMI while in a remote location, if not to a HD TV?

"some people like the private viewing of movies in their bedrooms with headphones or watching educational DVD content at a school library etc."

Again, where is the HDMI being used in this scenario?

"Of course nobody does in youre area... you already said most people here still havent got a HD lcd or plasma and wont have any HD content for at least 5yrs"

Regardless, if this option was available not many people would actually do it, as its too annoying to play on a laptop using a big hdtv in ur front room, you'll have the laptop on ur lap, trying to use the mouse on the empty seat next to you on the sofa, seems ridiculous. Unless you got a desk to put the laptop and mouse on etc, but like i said, why not just get a pc for this, theyre cheaper and have better graphics. Who here plays laptop games on their HDTV, how is it compared to console gaming?

"You'd be saying, why would i need a cell phone since i have a phone at home etc"

No its not like saying that at all, thats like saying ill buy a cellphone, but ill use it around my house anyway and not bother with the homephones i already have.

"I think you fail to see that a laptop is a personal piece of hardware that people carry with them from room to room from place to place like a cell phone or mp3 or simular personal device.
Sure you may wish to watch a DVD on your home DVD player but if everyone thought the way you do they they would never buy multiple devices in any other hardware.
You'd be saying, why would i need a cell phone since i have a phone at home etc. as reflecting youre comment of why would i use the awkwardness of the no remote laptop DVD..."

Nothing here relates to anything else, your not making any points here, the fact a laptop is a personal piece of hardware (irrelevant) that you would move from room to room with, what has that got to do with playing dvds on a HDTV with HDMI? Why are you talking about cellphones (irrelevant and bad example if your trying to come up with some metaphor), mulitple devices (irrelevant, has nothing to do with this topic), that whole section is just garbage.

Stick to what i was saying, the uses of the HDMI. I know the fuctions of laptops and what theyre for.

 

"Lastly, the HDMI port is NOT a $600 option." One of the main differences between the asus g1s and the ifl-90, is the asus has e-sata and hdmi. Here in england that difference is £300, $600 roughly.

"For me the biggest diff is the screen" Screens use the same resolution, in fact the new ifl-90's come with samsung matt finish screens.

"The G1S kills the ILF90's screen hands down"

Proof?

"its the other mainstream people who are up on the new technology who are most displeased that the option is not there considering 95% of all laps now have HDMI or DVI out."

Just because i dont want something doesnt mean i dont know it exists, i know what hdmi is and what it does in great detail, the dvi port not being on the laptop i can understand is a bad move, most desktop monitors and pc graphics chard have dvi now and are currently doing away with VGA altogether, ive yet to see a desktop monitor with hdmi in, but even if it had one, why connect your laptop up to it.

"When viewing any other type of laptop a lot of people may express oh no it doesnt have e-Sata or HDMI out or ExpressCard etc etc. they may not have any devices at the time they buy the laptop but you cant fault people from looking ahead at the possibilities of having the newest connectivity."

Yes i can, if your never going to use it.

"I bet the majority of people on this board have no ExpressCard devices. But they all want them so as to not stop them from expanding the possibilities of what may be needed in the future."

In the future, whats that 3-5 years, the rest of the technology on your laptop will be out of date, hdmi will be past version 1.3, and you will probably end up buying a new laptop at that time with higher spec when you are actually going to use the hdmi for whatever. Why pay out that extra money now, not use the hdmi, then in 3-5 years time buy a newer laptop and use it them, same with e-sata or expresscard devices.

 

"i dont care about screen res. 100-150lines of vertical res means crap to me.
Im talking about color accuracy, bit depth, dynamic range, contrast ratios of the G1(non S) which i have physically measured at a friends studio."

A lot of people in these forums say the G1S screen is "grainy".

 

man, im not gonna debate you on this anymore. Youve already said you live in an area thats 5yrs behind of times so you go ahead and continue to accept technology like vga thats outdated (and its funny how you even admitted it) while the rest of use look forward to moving ahead in the digital world.

You'd rather spend all your energy convincing yourself why somethings NOT good than to look at the positive aspects of it and move forward.

Tomorrow in gonna go to TigerDirect to possibly buy an ExpressCard Tv Tuner. I said i would do that in the future which was 2 weeks ago. My future timeframe is defined in weeks and months. Not 3-5yrs like what you may expect.
The IFL90 is perfect for you. gl with it

 

I just priced the compal at $1687.80 (power notebooks) with the closest possible specs. Obviously the price difference is more dramatic in Europe. I readily paid an extra $117.20 for additional ports, speed and what I consider superior looks. If the price difference was $600 I can’t say I’d make the same choice. In regard to the warranty a 2 year standard plus 30 day zero bright or dead pixel policy seemed far more appealing. I’d rather sacrifice a year for a guarantee of screen quality. The current going price at lagoom is 1805 with free shipping.

The g1s screen is not grainy it has a slight sparkle. It is nothing in comparison to the Mac Book Pro. Both use some sort of special anti glare coating. It bothers some, but I can tell you for a glossy screen it handles light extremely well.

 

MikeyMike, what are you currently using the HDMI on your laptop for?

 

"so you go ahead and continue to accept technology like vga thats outdated", im not accepting or rejecting it, im just not going to use any output, whether its vga dvi or hdmi. Why would i pay for it if im not going to use it? What is so hard to understand here? Your saying i should get a laptop with all the latest features regardless of money just to keep up to date with technology that i know i will not use?

"vga thats outdated (and its funny how you even admitted it) "

Its not that funny, i was never hiding the fact, i think everyone knows vga is outdated.

"You'd rather spend all your energy convincing yourself why somethings NOT good than to look at the positive aspects of it and move forward."

When and where did i say HDMI was not good?
Do you have selective reading or are you imagining all these things that i have said?

Once again, i was saying i dont personally see the use of having HDMI on a laptop. Thats not saying i dont see the point of HDMI on anything, i would get a HDTV, ps3 and HD dvd/blu ray player with HDMI on it.

 

You should go back to your post #62 where you asked this question:
"Also can someone explain to me the benefit of having a HDMI socket on a laptop, i just dont get it."

You should edit your post and take that right out

As ive tried to explain the features and benefits of having HDMI you continue to refute them as useless and unnecessary.

You shouldnt ask things if youre not prepared to see, understand or acknowledge its usefulness. And youre right, you 'just dont get it'

So go buy your ILF90 and you truly 'wont get it' and will never have to ever worry about it.

im done with this thread.

 

MikeyMike, what are you currently using the HDMI on your laptop for?

 

MikeyMike I heard that the Dells won't have HDMI either, maybe you can go into their forum and tell them they are behind the times.

Only poking fun, notebooks now should have hdmi or at lease dvi in my opinion, but it wasnt enough of a factor for me to not buy the Compal. There will be times when I miss it, but when purchasing notebooks there is never the "perfect" one out there, unless your budget is very big.

 

I will use the hdmi on my notebook daily.

It will allow me to use my notebook on my 37" monitor in my room. Also it should but I dont know for sure yet allow an audio out feed in the same cord wich means I can have my sterio reproducing the sound. if it doesnt I already have a 1/8" sterio phone hooked up via rca to my reciever.

HDMI isnt a need, id be ok with DVI. Definitly not VGA tho the quality isnt even close and most sources that do take it besides a computer monitor have issues with it (sync and picture quality) I happen to have a "HD LCD" it has both dvi and hdmi tho. last I checked most hd tv's only have hdmi and not vga or dvi on a standard model.

So it is a very much needed accesory in a new notebook if you ask me.

VGA is definitly behind the times.

Back in "the day" that was the main computer monitor connection and sombody may hook there notebook to there larger computer monitor screen for the size or quality.

But now with HDTV's being on par with computer screens with resolution and quailty a HDTV is just as valid of a choice to hook a computer too as a dedicated monitor and for that there is no better way to go than HDMI.

(untill display port comes out )

I know atleast 20 people on my other forum I frequent that use a HDTV as there main monitor and would never accept VGA as a connection type.

On topic about the whole price wars... I personally went and configured the IFL90 at powernotebooks.com to the same specs as the G1S and it came out to the same price, but without all the extras.

Overseas the price diffrence may be there, but atleast for sombody who lives where I do it has no advantages over the G1S.

I hear there is a rebranded one thats cheaper, If thats the case and you like the looks and dont mind the loss of a few extras. By all means get what you want.

Im not here to sell anything, just inform you.

Personally I find the Asus C90 to be the best buy for the money and has all the options and even more.