Intel-TongFang QC7 (Element/Fusion 15/MAG-15/Vapor 15 Pro)

Not sure about what role ram plays. I have 16gb base.
I haven't heard of a setting for opening the lid in any other model as well.

Update : what I discovered is fans behave normal after initial 3 minutes but every time I boot the pc fans kick in every single time and run for 3-4 minutes at least even when its idle and silent. It becomes silent only after that initial period. Looks like a bios bug to me

Tested for 15-20 reboot cycles with enough gaps.

@Eluktronics any clarification?

 

(Spits out tea)
Edit: Interpreted that as boot time

 

From my understanding, PL values affect power limit throttle, but not current limit throttle right? My unit doesn't have any issues with power limit throttle... What is current/EDP limit throttle anyways? Tried to do some research, but still don't get it.

Also, has anyone tried to undervolt using throttlestop? It appears that throttlestop PL values prevent the automatic PL changes associated with mode changes. I saw this issue being brought up in a different thread as well. If that's the case, throttlestop is a poor option for Mag15/Fusion15.

 

are they any adverse effects if I mixed and matched bios and control center from different vendors?

 

I tried Eluktronics BIOS+Control Center on Vapor 15 Pro and it works fine.

 

No, but the control centers are mostly the same with just a few of the options being different. You could actually edit what settings do what in the control file with registry editor and the .ini file. See page 12 on this thread and read what xmg posted to adjust to your liking.

 

I'm going to be getting my mag-15 soon. There have been a number of tweaks and software suggestions in this whole thread and I'm curious if someone has a list or something of everything to do once I get it, like downloading the sound blaster software to improve speakers.

I don't plan to really tinker with things like voltage and clock since I don't have much experience with those.

 

Are the fans supposed to run every 10 minutes in silent profile (battery saver) doing only web browsing. This giving me thoughts of returning it despite a fantastic overall machine. Need thoughts

 

Really loving my Mag-15 but there are a couple niggles I didn't get with my old old laptop that seem to happen with this one. I like to connect my laptop to a television to watch/stream certain things from my NAS. When connecting through HDMI to a television some funny things happen.

When I throw the desktop over to "second screen only" the FPS drop below 60 and I have to reboot the machine to get it to run smoothly on the TV. I imagine this is some sort of issue because the laptop display is 144hz and the TV is 60hz? Not sure what is causing this but it's annoying. All the settings indicate the TV is at 60hz but if I run UFO test it is clearly not. I don't have this problem with my desktop computer, and my monitor is running at 165hz and the TV is at 60hz. I never have this issue switching between displays where I have to reboot to get the 60hz panel to run at a smooth 60fps.

The second issue, which I'm not even sure is an issue but I know it didn't occur with my old laptop is when I throw the display to the TV and close the lid everything is fine, but if I open the lid to use the keyboard the display is thrown back over to the laptop monitor. This is really annoying. Is there any way to keep this from happening? My old laptop would just stay on the 2nd display and I could open the laptop and use the keyboard as normal, close it and open it etc...

I realize my use case here is probably not everyone else's but surely this is abnormal behavior, right?

 

Pattern found - Idle temps hitting 50C cpu thats when fans start(2600 rpm) and temp drops to 44c. this repeats every 5-10 minutes. All this while doing nothing. Also getting poor battery because of it.

 

This is where I scratch my head and kindda wonder why they don't permit manual fan curve tuning (in BIOS). Just like any other sane piece of hardware should be.

 

Have you tried undervolting with throttle stop? Set speedshift to 128 or 152 to allow the CPU to boost less often

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Yeah tried that using Intel XTU. Undervolted -128 but that increase the idle clock speed per core and overall idle temperature still reach 50c and fans keep running. So no benefit from undervolting. This is all with liquid metal repase. I wonder if they applied it or not

 

Intel XTU can only do so much, I do not believe you can change the intel speed shift value in intel XTU. I recommend uninstalling it or disabling it and try using throttlestop since you can actually edit the speed shift value.

Speed shift is essentially a value used to tell how often an intel CPU should turbo up for performance at the hardware level. The higher the value the more "battery saver" by making the CPU stay in lower frequencies. I think 128 is essentially "balanced mode" and a value like 152 will favor staying at lower frequencies.

You can also disable turbo while on battery in throttlestop as that will pretty much prevent the CPU from getting hot quickly altogether and you can setup several profiles that you can switch between depending if you are on AC or battery or if you want to make a key combination to switch between the different profiles as well.

 

Thanks will try this. Although my cpu is not using turbo boost as I am idling. Its clocks between 800-1200 Mhz range but still leads to 51c cpu temps

 

You can also do some registry edits to enable core parking if it's not already enabled. I think windows 10 by default has all the cores enabled all the time and I know there is a pretty good guide on enabling it when you are on battery mode.

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Ha, I can tell the Intel connection - when I boot the machine the logo shown is Intel's, not "Aftershock" or anything (now I'm curious - is this what everyone else is getting too? Or has XMG, Eluktronics etc. rebranded the BIOS with their logos already)

Just checking, where are you getting your updated BIOS for your machine from? The Vapor hasn't shown up on the aftershock support downloads site yet:

http://aftershockpcsupport.com/

I've installed the XMG Control Centre on my Aftershock (without having installed any XMG BIOS) without any issue, so mix-and-match seems workable

 

I was talking about laptops in general - wasn't talking about QC7s specifically. Many laptops can be set to wake immediately upon opening the lid

 

Ok , I thought these were windows setting.

 

... my machine definitely takes more than a second to wake from sleep. In my count about 5 seconds.

this has not been my experience with mine.

 

Yes, this seems to be an issue with just my machine. Also battery lasting for 3hrs on basic web browsing due to same issue i think.

I will be contacting support and ask for replacement / repair[/QUOTE]

 

[/QUOTE]I heard there was a bios update a month back that fixed the battery issue for xmg, not sure if eluktronics got the same update

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The fans on my XMG Fusion 15 (European MAG 15) behave similarly. It comes on (@2600rpm) even in "Silent" mode when CPU temp. is around 50 degrees. Then switches off after a few minutes. Then repeats after about 5-10 minutes, all this while web browsing only. I don't think this is happening only to your laptop.

 

I hate to quote myself but does anyone have an idea about this behavior?

 

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(1) What are your BIOS versions?
(2) would it be ok to post the manufacturing date of your machine (printed on the label on the underside)? Mine is listed as July 2019

 

is there any info/stats on how well the custom thermals are for eluktronics mag-15? wondering if i should get them or order a standard config off amazon. thank you!

edit: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...rginal-temperature-improvements.439535.0.html nvm found a whole article on it

 

(1) What are your BIOS versions?
(2) would it be ok to post the manufacturing date of your machine (printed on the label on the underside)? Mine is listed as July 2019[/QUOTE]

I have the latest BIOS from XMG driver portal: BIOS_QCFL357.0056.
Manufacturing date is July 2019.

 

Ours are probably from the same batch, just different BIOSes. Is it possible to revert to an earlier BIOS version? I'm wondering if the fan problem you're facing could be something introduced by the newer BIOS - it might be possible to pinpoint this if it is possible (and safe) for you rollback to an earlier BIOS and the problem goes away, say.

 

I think it behaved the same way on the older BIOS. I did not really test battery life yet so I'm not sure how much it is affected.

 

I have exactly same behavior including the fan speed. The control center profiles mean nothing. All profiles behave the same way for cpu and laptop is never silent


(1) What are your BIOS versions?
(2) would it be ok to post the manufacturing date of your machine (printed on the label on the underside)? Mine is listed as July 2019[/QUOTE]
Bios version 52
Manufacturing date August'19


(1) What are your BIOS versions?
(2) would it be ok to post the manufacturing date of your machine (printed on the label on the underside)? Mine is listed as July 2019[/QUOTE]

Bios version 52
Manufacturing date August'19

It would be great if others can confirm they don't face similar issue. Then we can reach out to oem to fix it in our unit.. Thanks

 

Its been stated by xmg that the fans come on in silent mode. But its not like they come on at full blast, I can barely tell when they are on. Its been measured to run between 26-32 decibels in silent mode depending on if the fans kicked in. Eventually someone will have fan control software working for this unit. Then you can set them up to only work at a certain temperature.

 

Yes that's normal but not every 5 minutes while idling right? Can you tell us what rpm are your fans spinning in silent mode from the control center software. Mine is clearly audible from anywhere in the same room.

 

Im at work when i get home late tonight ill use my laptop for web browsing and youtube and report back how often they actually kick in. But even when gaming in silent mode on an old game like bioshock infinite i can barely hear the fans. Ill use my crappy decibel app on my phone as well.

 

Thanks. It will be very helpful. Please also note the fan speed from the control center software if possible

 

Does anyone have a link to the default stock heatsink of the mag 15 anywhere? Check if you can see a model number anywhere on the heatsink?

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So my fans just dont turn on as max temp i have hit just browsing and watching videos is 44 degrees on 2 cores rest are max 42. Average is only around 40. I am using throttle stop to further undervolt. I am at -.100, probably could do more but i havent put the time in to undervolt to the extreme. Oh not sure what my current room temp is, but its not warm or cold. I am going to guess between 67-69 f.

 

Thanks. Good to hear that.

 

I would really like for this laptop to be quieter too, particularly in balance mode. The quiet mode is okay, but dims the screen and you are not able to control the brightness with the function keys.

I am using an after-shock Vapor15 and and have had no problem updating the BIOS and control center using the Eluktronics bios and the XMG control center. Initially did this in an effort to reduce fan noise. I'm using a undervolt of -0.130, which I set using the Intel extreme tuning utility.

My only other complaint, as the battery life isn't as great as what I would have hoped. I get about 4 hours of desktop work ie using outlook, office apps etc.

Otherwise, the laptop is awesome! I'm just hoping for improvements in fan noise in the future.

 

What's the goal here, why do you want to just buy the heatsink only? My guess is it's not something that's sold separately, there wouldn't be a need as every machine would come with one?

 

I can change the brightness in battery saver mode with the function keys and it stays where I put it.

 

Modifying a heatsink, there's also someone on the forum who creates improved heatsinks based on the original designs. So far he's improved the original heatsink for the alienware 15 r3, 15r4 and 17 r4

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Has anyone tried this to change fan curve ?
https://github.com/hirschmann/nbfc

I like to have control over system noise, MSI gs65 is good in that respect. Silent Option software allows to change fan curve. Unfortunately rest of the laptop is mixed bag especially build quality.
Hope to switch to Fusion 15 soon.

 

In my completely non-scientific and non-exhaustive observation, my CPU and GPU both tend to be at approximately the same temperature, and they seem to hover/loiter at two "levels" - when they are at about 45 degrees Celsius, my fans are off (0 rpm), and when they are at 55 degrees Celsius, the fans go steadily/continuously at about 2700 rpm. I'd gauge my ambient temperature at around 23-25 degrees Celsius or so. I do not have a decibel meter so what I can say about the volume isn't all that useful but here goes - the sound is noticeable to me but I definitely would not say I can hear it from anywhere in the room: in fact to hear it properly I have to bring my head close to the keyboard.

So, question arises, are you guys in very quiet rooms? I realise that my room is not that quiet and there's quite a lot of white noise in the background (air conditioning etc.), so I'm not sure if it's because my tolerance for noise is high, my fans are genuinely more quiet than yours (for the guys with problems), or if the ambient noise in my room is just drowning things out. I've played a few games and at those times (as expected) my fans go full blast and that is definitely much louder than what I'm hearing in "normal use", so it's not that my fans are magic and *never* get loud.

What I am definitely NOT getting is the fans kicking in and out - depending on what I'm doing (web browsing etc.) my CPU and GPU gets into more or less a "steady state" and stay there. I'm half wondering if your thermal paste application/heatsink was borked and so your CPU/GPU isn't shedding heat properly and ends up forcing "bursts" of cooling.

Or, I dunno, you've been infected with some cryptocurrency mining virus that's trying to be stealthy and only kicking in every five minutes or so

 

Yeah My room is a quiet room. Ambient temps are same as yours. I suspect the thermal paste fault as well.

Its like a clean install with only chrome, HW monitor and drivers added to it. So I don't think there can be any malware in it. Also the cpu clocks around 800-1200Mhz max so its not that its getting heavily used either. Anyways I will be calling support and ask for a replacement if possible. Lets see how it goes

 

I really wish these laptops had USB-C charging so I could use a light weight multipurpose charger when traveling and keep the power brick at home for gaming. Is the lack of USB-C charging part of the Intel spec or is there a chance some of the versions of these laptops could add it in? Is there a lower wattage / lighter power brick that can work with these laptops? And by work I just mean charge the battery with a 65w or 90w power brick.

It would be nice to not have to lug around a 2 lb power brick for a 4 lb laptop!

 

I dont think there is a single gaming laptop that does this, but eventually this would be an awesome feature for a manufacturer to do. The stock brick is huge, i dont care about the weight so much as i do the size of it. Ill be buying the smaller brick posted by eluktronics to throw in my backpack. It appears to be the same size as my 120watt brick for my old msi gf63.

So when using the laptop this morning, ambient temp was warmer and the fan would kick in occasionally. But again like you said its very quiet and does not come on very often. Talking once every 15-25 min. Comes on at 50 degrees like it is supposed too. I am wondering if the people who are having it come on very often are having issues with the cpu doing work in the background. I had to do a clean install of windows when i got my laptop. It just was not functioning properly. It was laggy and task manager showed cpu usage up to 30% doing nothing. A clean install fixed that. It is a bit more of a pain then other laptops to do a clean install as you need to have all the drivers unzipped onto a flash drive as windows wont find any of them on its own. So it takes longer, but since that clean install i love this laptop. And yes once a custom control center gets released ill probably up the quiet state to 60 degrees. This way the fans would never turn on while not gaming for me.

 

Do you have a link to the alternate brick?

Asus has a few gaming laptops that charge via USB-C but they’re bigger / heavier laptops. I may just go with one of the MSI Prestige models that are about to be released to save a couple pounds and size but they just have the 1650 and lower power six core CPUs. The heavy and large power brick is the one issue preventing these from being great versatile travel laptops.

 

Check page 66 for a comparison photo, https://www.eluktronics.com/230-watt-ac-adapter-P6x0-1070

I also was considering the prestige 14. I went with this laptop because the prestige 15 was struggling with newer games on jarrods video. The 14 only has single channel ram so it will perform worse.

 

The Asus zephyrus S supports charging through USB C but lacks thunderbolt 3

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You may be right on this. Even though my CPU clocks aren't high being in silent mode the utilization on some cores are high. A clean windows install could potentially fix the problem