Is Robson included in 6625 or 6224

Is Robson included in 6625 or 6224?
If it is: What's the size?

 

It is not listed anywhere and I am sure if it was it would be advertised. So I would say No. But the website is still being cleaned up and info is added so cant say 100% sure.

 

i reckon no aswell, ZeptoUk has studiously ignored any reference to robson tech, i think if it was there they would be singing. i think the reason most santa rosa laptop are not advertising it is because it is not a mature enough technology yet. from other threads it currently seems to actually slow down load times in some cases, so it has not been included in the current laptop builds.

 

You could change the HD to a hybrid and some way get turbo memory cache type feature.

 

But with a lower RPM I'm not sure which is better...

 

It might be worth noting that Intel claim that, in their tests, hybrid drives showed a maximum performance increase of 7%, and robson showed 45%. Of course this should be taken with a pinch of salt as Intel sell robson, but not hybrid drives.

 

I will try today. I wont ignore it . I just need to get the correct information.

 

hopefully you will be able to clear up the confusion zeptoUK (waiting for answer to know if to order a 6625w)

 

It would be a big suprise to me if there was Robson in the 6625 or 6224. It is not mentioned on any of the reviews or anywhere.

What I am interested is to know if Robson can be put into the 6625 or 6224. What i read is that Robson is an option and has to be enabled in the bios. It is similar to VT which almost no laptops had enabled. Also you need an empty minipci express slot.

 

i have a feeling that its not included as well but would definatly want to know if system is there for putting in your own. Hope zeptoUK can confirm this as i am wanting to put in a order for one asap...

 

A bit off topic perhaps, but what is "Robson"?

 

Robson was the code name for Intel Turbo Memory. Flas memory on the mainboard or as minipci express card. Works with Windows Vista Readyboost and Readydrive.

 

it would be absurd that robson is not included...
I have some informations that in italy the compal ift00 or ifl00 based notebook will have 1gb robson

 

to speed up boot-time?

 

Hopefully yes.

 

I was told that the new models won't support Turbo Memory by a sales representative from zepto.

 

they might not come with turbo memory but it should support it... dosn't the memory fit into the express card slot on the side of the notebook (dose it have one?)

 

It also needs to supported in the bios. It might not be. All the Core 2 Duos support VT but hardly any notebooks have it enabled in the bios.

Robson can come in Mini PCI-E or soldered directly on to the mainboard. Dont think Express card is an option.

 

The bus is slower on Mini PCI-E though?

 

Not sure what the maximum speed for Mini PCI-Express is. Express card uses one pci express lane. I think Mini Pci-Express also uses a maximum of one lane. If its directly on the mainboard it will still be connected by pci-express it just wont be removable.

But the Flash will be much slower then any of the 3 so it wont matter.

 

i think a second option is to plug a high speed MMC/SD card in the laptop and use that for readyboost

 

But this will not speed up the boot time. Only Readydrive can speed up boot time.

Readyboost only starts once Windows has finished booting and the data on the Readyboost device does not survive a reboot.

 

OK, Our new laptops 6224 and 6625WD do support Robson technology. However we will not be selling this because we will be using Hybrid Hard drives, We have benchmark tests to show this gives equall performance to the intel robson. It is cheaper to the customer this way. THe 7% quoted earlier in this thread should be checked, We believe this is the correct way for Zepto. But our motherboards WILL support robson.

 

It's too bad that Zepto won't be offering that as an option as an alternative to the HHD. Seems silly since the MB supports it anyway. Let people pay extra for it, if that is what they prefer.

 

the data on a readyboost device does survive a reboot as it is a storage media not RAM. It should increase boot times meaning the time from when windows is loading up to when you can launch an application.

If the new laptops do support robson but dosn't come with it, does that mean that the memory can be still added to the motherboard by us?? (small NAND card to click onto motherboard or does it have to be soldered in part in manufacture?)

Zepto should definate have supplied this option even with hybrid hard dives even at more cost. The hybrid drives currently run too slow (5400rpm) so its not even an option even with hybrid tech...

 

Atleast it is supported by the bios which is good. Now we just need to know if there is an empty slot for Turbo Memory.

No it doesnt. This is only true for ReadyDRIVE. USB Sticks and SD card can only be used for ReadyBOOST. The data might be there after reboot but Vista will not use it to boot. It wont even use it after it has booted but just overwrite all the data before its starts reading it. Vista does this because of consitancy. The USB stick might have been removed and changed between shut down and reboot.

 

It sure would!

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Readyboost is just using the flashmemory as "extra ram" to cache stuff for quicker access. The best thing to do is to get more ram since it's faster than flash memory. I'll be getting a 2GB ram stick in my 6224W and later on I'll get another one. That's probably the fastest solution, together with a hybrid drive.

Here's a swedish article about readyboost & a test of 2 readyboost memories.

 

The hybrid disks are 5400rpm though, so wouldn't the non-hybrid 7200rpm disks be faster?

 

Tsal: yes they would for large file moving and games but a hybrid will be faster for office work and photo editing

akaidiot: like wave said, the turbo memory will be used for readyboost and readydrive. It works differently to ram used in the computer as well. Best option is to get the 7200rpm hard drives and then put a NAND flash turbo chip in at a later date (as apparently dosn't come with one but has slot free). Will then have 1gb/512mb flash rarther than 256mb of hybrid).

 

Robson is (in my opinion) another gimmick from Intel,
It appears to boost average performance by no more than 1 percent and sometimes causes a drop in performance.
The only really noticable benefit is a drop in power consumption, specifically for a hard disk with built in Flash as the disk can power down more frequently and use its flash memory.

NOTES:
Readyboost only works on Vista, no other operating systems support it

Vista only supports one Readyboost device.

Readyboost has no noticable effect on computers with more than 1GB of memory.

Performance of a 7200rpm drive will be much greater than a 5400rpm drive with built in flash but 7200rpm will use more power.

7200rpm = greater performance.
5400rpm with flash = greater battery life.

I believe Zepto have made the right dission in providing hybrid drives with built in flash memory as the performance boost and power saved is greater than that of the motherboard attached flash memory.

Intel are of course lying in there 30% and 7% figures, I would say 5-7% for hybrid hard drive and no more than 5% average for motherboard attached flash (prob more like 1%).
There is however a 60% speed increase when hibernating with motherboard attached flash.

 

A quick search on google brings up the following:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=2985&p=9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robson_flash_memory
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2007/01/31/windows-vista-superfetch-and-readyboostanalyzed_uk/
http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/17/readyboost-ready-but-doesnt-boost/