Just To Clear Up Some Problems - Zio Systems

First off, I would like to apologize to anyone who maybe ordered anything from us in the past few months. For example ; http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=97226

My name is Brad Burns, I'm the President and Founder of Zio Systems.

FOR EJL (previous post, link above), You don't understand, Zio's basic laptops are not COMPAL, or re- branded MSI's. WE MAKE THE LAPTOPS FOR MSI. Please visit www.jetta.com for our building facilities, it's in the USA. You can even CALL Jetta, although the build notebooks specifically for business, they do not sell to the end consumer, and ask them for a client build list and act like your a corporate executive. They will be quick to furnish proof that they make MSI's notebooks, the only thing that MSI has ever made themselves, is a logo. Their products are of mid-ranger quality, and I do not refer them to anyone I know. Zio Systems is a wall street company, not something like iBuypower(not slandering, their website is great).In fact everything is in THE USA, Support, New Product Design, Servers, etc..

I'm happy to inform you, our performance notebooks are re-branded Sagers, except my company does the repairs instead of Sager, and we have a 72hour turn around time for repairs.

Reseller Ratings;

Please note their terms and conditions.

1. Slandering is against the law.
2. We never posted for something we didn't sell, I however did send free products to some randomly selected customers for product review for free, however I don't see that as a crime.

The person who slandered my name across reseller ratings, was fired. This person never had a "paycheck" and was never a full time employee. He was payed over $5,000 for graphic design work. Greatest part about the terms of service is that mad ex-employees don't get to slander my name across their website, without paying me court fees and my company a large lawsuit bill. It's against the law to do what he did, topic closed, thank your four fathers for preserving intelligence, and killing stupidity for that one. The terms he violated are below for your readings, and can found by the link above.

(2) All Enthusiast, Inc. is presented with a valid court order from a court of competent jurisdiction finding that the posting is slanderous, libelous, defamatory or otherwise illegal;
(6) The posting does not relate to a valid commercial transaction and is not the type of posting for which the Web site is intended, namely rating the resellers of products or services;
(11) The posting was made by a current employee, former employee, or immediate family member of the company being reviewed.
(4) The posting contains vulgar, profane, or obscene language;
(7) The posting contains personal identifying information such as names of individuals;

At the end of all this, your probably wondering why i'm moaning and groaning. It's because i'm an enthusiast not a blackberry carrying suit without a brain. over the coming months, I'm going to prove to my customers, how our company is producing fresh ideas, not more of the same. If you would like to speak to me personally, over any of the problems you may have, you can PM me for my work Cell Phone.

~Thanks

 

hello brad,

i by no means want to demean your company. i just don't think you have all your information correct.

when i go to their website, the first thing that sticks out to me is that they call themselves a professional notebook pc supplier, not manufacturer.

when i read their "about jetta" section, there is even more evidence to support my belief that they are just a reseller, note a computer manufacturer (odm). here is an excerpt, emphasizing the points:

We start our quality assurance by carefully screening and selecting only the best original equipment manufacturers. We do this to maintain the quality requirements of being a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner and Intel Mobile Premier Provider, but more importantly to maintain the quality expectations our customers. Jetta's notebook PC products are of the best quality because only the finest computer manufacturers produce them. These manufacturers also produce notebooks for the top brand-name manufacturers such as IBM, Apple, Dell, HP, Toshiba, etc. Jetta is the channel outlet for manufacturers who produce the brand name notebooks you recognize....

essentially, this means, at least to me, that they are a supplier of notebooks from other manufacturers that they choose. they themselves do not manufacture the notebook. msi, compal, quanta are the original equipment manufacturers. jetta just distributes it under their own name. saying that jetta manufactures their own notebook is like saying that sager manufactures their own notebooks. they don't. they just rebrand clevo and, now, compal notebooks. if you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it. i am easily convinced by good proof and am not adversed to changing my mind. just on this topic, what you are saying is against much of what i know.

 

Care to explain those posts? I would be wary of buying from any company where the President and Founder misrepresented himself to potential buyers on a forum such as this.

 

Thats the biggest "mole hill" I've seen in awhile.

 

This is a direct quote off your ebay blog. Are you saying you were lying on your ebay blog to potential customers?

 

Sure, odin check the IP address of those posts. LA, California. It was an enthusiastic employee of mine, no name represented. Check my IP address now, I'm in Lexington at my office. Odin, to be honest with you, I don't like how you call me a scam. it's actually extremely annoying, but given the circumstances you are entitled to your opinions. Although, one of the reasons you might be so grumpy is because of the computer you have it your signature for work. Didn't you know that Dell manufactures their own motherboards, and they are about as good as soggy oatmeal? No matter how many Intel Core Duos, or Bluetooth muffins you might throw at it.

Welcome to Computer Marketing 101, cram useless speed and numbers into the customers face, commercialize the latest and greatest, team with the bean counters, force corporate methods and standards on businesses and employees, and wallah, you have <insert large computer manufacturing company here> , greatest part about it is, your the victim and most people have their ties tied so tight they could care less about my credibility. Most people fail to realize it's the motherboard in the computer, not the processor. Bill Gates, and Michael Dell literally sleep together every night, discussing the possibilities of the next marketing strategies they can take out on you as if they are the only ones that exist. Well, Junior just build it yourself, it's better that way. Exactly, build it yourself. That's why we sell pieces and parts.

As for ebay, ebay... hold on... LOL, okay anyway they canceled our account for an unknown reason, at the time I though they just thought we where a scam, until I received a call from ebay asking to become part of their "store program". Blah blah, so on and so on , ebay wanted me to pay a bunch of money, I said no thanks.

Never got my account back, so I made a new one, they canceled that one too. it's okay. I mailed about 10,000 people encouraging them never to use ebays services.
Ebay has been raising prices and reducing the amount of things you can sell from their site. After ebay completely made themselves look like idiots to someone who has quite a few contacts at their disposal, which will probably never do much damage but none the less. Friends are making site like ebay but a bit different, and a bit free.

We are starting a website devoted to fraudulent activities, that rips them apart. It's almost finished, but no info yet sorry.

As for EJL, I'm just going to have to furnish some papers, and then you'll need to put that ice cream cone in your mouth for a while instead of on your head. Btw, what flavor is it? Scrutiny Shake, or Vanilla? Just kidding.

 

That's all nice and good, blaming everything (the ebay info, the bad resellerratings review) on employees, but do you care to comment on the multiple posts I quoted, BY YOU, which are clearly either delibrately misleading or outright lies?

Edit: Concerning Ebay, are you saying that an "enthusiastic employee" wrote a detailed company description/mission statement, and multiple technical guides (SLI, viruses/spyware, amd 64 x2) without ever being reviewed by anyone in a management position to make sure the info was correct. And if this was the case, why don't you report this to Ebay, and have them remove the false/fraudulent description?

 

You misread again odin, your powers of observation fail you. I didn't blame anything on employees, except for this website i used descriptive terms such as Enthusiastic, which means I'm not mad. Seeing that I'm wasting my time talking to you should prove enough that I care about others instead of myself, I'm actually glad your scrutinizing me. It's a good thing, not bad.

Concerning ebay;

Yes indeed, what's wrong, don't like your job or something? Maybe we just have to many Linux junkies working for the good of mankind, instead of the good of the company. OH NO, who the heck would write about how much they love their job, and their employer, that's right Americans hate work. Obviously not to many companies use the Google approach, although their company is evil in denial anyway, but still. I'm only a CEO on paper, pretty much live at work, you on the other hand probably shouldn't make an assumption based on the corporate lifestyle. It might come back and bite ya.

 

Frankly I don't care whether the employee who wrote that liked their job or not. That's not the point. The point is that the ebay site contains a carefully thought-out and written company description as well as a company philosophy, as well as three technical guides. I find it interesting that whoever was incharge of the ebay portion of your business seemingly had no supervision, or at least supervision that would have been able to realize that what was being posted was false. I also find it interesting that you haven't had Ebay remove this blog, which would be within your legal rights if it was in fact fraudulent. In short, I would like an answer to the substance of my questions, not a post about the corporate lifestyle. Perhaps you wouldn't have to "waste" so much of your time if you simply gave honest, straight-forward answers.

 

I'm sorry I don't waste that much time on eBay. and I really don't care. I didn't place blame, and I didn't write that company information. I guess I could remove the information from eBay, or maybe I could just update it telling frequent interested person what really happened.

But then again, i cannot answer your question Odin, when I do not fully understand what you are asking. My suggestion to resolve this argument is for you to ask questions in numbers, I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

Seeing that I never mentioned ebay, until after you did is no grounds for you to mix in my mentions from an earlier post, fairness not being an issue but common sense and logic ultimately prevailing.

Questioning my honesty is great, but using frustration in paralell hardly seems fair what do you think?
That's how politics works, we start questioning, until the point where we are so mad, we completely lose track of what we where talking about, and are to busy figuring out how much TNT we can strap on a person, plane, or boat. People are stupid sheep, doesn't mean big companies should take advantage.

If you own a February issue of Computer Shopper magazine, turn to page 22-23 to question my honesty.
You think I would have spent $68,000.00 United States Dollars, on a magazine if I didn't have just a slight clue as to what I'm doing?
Next month you can check, PC World, PC Magazine, Computer Power User, Maximum PC, Wired, Laptop.
Trying to establish peace, not hostility. Although my java is a bit hostile at the moment, I wonder if someone can help me with that!

 

I'm sorry to have brought up Ebay then, I only did as the Ebay store info seemed to be an official company description. To make it easier for all to understand, I will take your suggestion and ask my following questions in numbers.

1. Do you have any explanation as to why you, Espeed, posted several times (quoted directly in my above post) pretending to be either a prospective customer of ZioSys, or a satisfied buyer of ZioSys? I only ask because that seems to me to be incredibly misleading behavior for the President of a corporation.

2. Do you have any proof that either ZioSys or Jetta is actually an ODM, and manufactures products for MSI as you have claimed? I only ask because that statement seems to be directly contradicted by the official Jetta Website as well as you online Ebay Blog.

3. Do you have any explanation for the low resellerratings reviews (even excluding the one by your ex-employee) or the low level of Customer Service that many have said your company offer. I only ask this because, seeing as how you're the founder, you should be able to explain better than anyone else your company's behaviour.

 

Providing espeed the benefit of the doubt, lets say that in the past, an employee did try to indirectly advertise, but that was then, this is now. Everything has, hopefully, been renovated in terms of staff and name.

Lets give this a fair start, now shall we?

 

coriolis, I respect your ideas, but none the less odin & and this community deserve a truthful explanation, and support considering the problems that happened.

I will take pictures of the facilities and post some links to paperwork, Jetta mainly only distributes to our business partners. Whitebook, They don't sell to the end consumer, I can however assure you of the screens, motherboards, and internal pieces origin location in Taiwan/ Asian partners. Nowhere close to MSI. I have sent the information request to the warehouse, and will post it here as soon as I receive the information. Sorry for making a big mess.

Building Facility:




I wish to gain Odins respect, as well as any prospected customer. It's my job.

Odin, we have been in business for two years, I joined reseller ratings from an employee request, I seriously wish I hadn't now, but I can speak for many busineses and satisfied customers that we have worked with before we became a systems integrator, I am a web programmer, so much of my time is spent fixing problems, I'm not that great of a communications specialist, I tend to work on servers & linux programs more than anything, however much of the communications staff was fired because they where not professional. Everyone here is versatile, that's the way it stays from now on. I've actually had people attempt to take my job, and try to push me out of the way but I know what happened when the fake bean counters invade, so they will just have to deal with working under me or quit, because I care about the business, they care about their pay check. Although I graduated college at 15, I don't believe in capitalistic mongers, and their fake lives. I started this company to pay for additional college expenses, and it has become a full time job. I wish to take the company to a level to be sufficiently managed without having problems from corporate staff, since there is very few people I trust, and people tend to try to take advantage of me, it's scary for them when they get fired. I'm a pacifist but only for so long. Realistically I can only put up with so much, I slept on the couch for months, working, and sleep, working and sleeping. I still continue to do that much of the time, however the mystery of the work we do must stay at a level to gain corporate respect. Most people don't like trusting in new companies, or investing, and many times they tell me I'm an idiot, I could really care less because I'm happy with what I do. Unfortunately, those are the same people that have come crying back to me for jobs. What I can say, is that I will work as hard as I can, for as long as I can, and try not to turn this company into a corporate fake buddy buddy company. Many of the corporate staff here, are ex-dell Employees, to name a few myself, Chris Curtis, our media director, Brandon Cross, Corporate Dell Executive, and quite a few other people from corporate empires. This company is to be a 24/7 company, it's just hard for me to express the way I want things run, unfortunately I didn't have a Stanford university trust fund to dive into and steal programming code like Google or gates, but I think that the respect level is higher for those same reasons as well.
All In all, i'm sorry for the mess.

 

I'd just like to post an update on new information I found. The ZioBook 9700 series (based on the Jetbook 9700 series by Jetta) is indeed a rebranded Compal, as Jetta specifically states in their product spec sheet:
www.jetta.com/spec/9700brochure.pdf
I haven't found the MSI model yet, but will update if I do.

 

You wont find the MSI one, I will tell you that the internals of the Jetta differ from the Compal. I also organized some photos of the actual vehicles used at Zio Systems.
We have car-computers in the glove box, developed by myself and Walter Blackburn, and Daniel Root. Most companies would have already tried to advertise this all over the place, we don't do press. Press is stupid and fake, so that's why this may seem weird.



To Big ; http://www.ziosys.com/images/37.jpg Two Cars.
http://www.ziosys.com/images/38.jpg To Big again;

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Although this is quite a long time ago, and I don't like doing this on forums I'm going to post pictures of myself anyway.
I had a local business while I was in school, I primarily did web design, and simple things. Which is the parent company of Zio Systems.

Business License ; http://www.ziosys.com/images/articles.jpg
Last.FM Profile - http://last.fm/user/espeed


This is me. A while back. I only own one suit, suits are for fake conservatives.
Got to run with the punches to get to what's real, I'm a nerd, silly businessmen.



this is how I got started, I'm sorry if it's lame, but that's just me.

 

Yes.. that's why it's called a barebones. Everyone agrees that you put in your own components, we just don't believe that you physically manufacture the barebones units.

 

I don't touch the notebooks, they ship from Columbus, OH, however I will guarantee the paperwork by tomorrow evening. I know MSI browses this forum, which is probably why they have yet to say anything. I will also have Tony, a co-worker post the information as well to clarify.

As far as my research goes, MSI, ASUS, and other variants don't make their own systems, video cards either, they might make some circuitry for their GPU to mainboard electronics, but other than that they just buy from a very large distribution ring in Taiwan, which at least 50 "manufacturers buy from". Including Dell, except Dell buys the Grade F beef. haha. It's actually quite comical to see how much these companies rip people off and get away with it, however it does make me mad at times. Dell will get kicked of Nasdaq soon anyway, for laundering warranty money. They have already been threatened twice, which is why their entire finance department is under investigation , you can only pay people off so much. Welcome to corporate politics 101. Dell stepped back in 2 months ago, and fired 40 people within 25 minutes I believe. As far as motherboards go, Asus is the only company that actually produces and researches more than the others on efficiency. However, I can't speak for all products without writing a book, but I absolutely have it in my head, and on papers.

 

http://www.jetta.com/spec/1715Brochure.pdf
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/notebook/MS-171544-012Spec.pdf

I invite anyone to look at those two spec sheets, one for the Jetbook 1715 and the other for the MSI MS-171544-012. Look especially at the wording. Notice how it's always exactly the same? I don't have any definitive proof yet, but I'd be willing to bet quite alot that the Jetbook 1715 is simply a rebrand of that MSI.

From the Jetbook:

From the MSI:

 

Again your power of observation fail you odin;

Micro-Star International Corporation, Ltd.

Micro-Star International Corporation, Ltd. (TSEC: MSI, 2377) is one of the IT industry's leading manufacturers of computer hardware products and solutions, including world's top five and Taiwan's top three motherboard manufacturer, Taiwan biggest and world's top five server manufacturer, and has been the leading graphic card manufacturer for the past four years. Today MSI is pressing forward with the development of new products, such as notebooks and consumer electronic products. The sales of MSI's MP3 product has been growing rapidly, making MSI one of the top MP3 product suppliers in Taiwan since 2004.

Jetta History and Reputation

For over 14 years Jetta has proven to be one of the best notebook PC providers. Established in 1991, Jetta International Inc has been a professional notebook PC supplier in the East Coast of the United States for over 14 years. During this time, we have grown to be one of the largest Notebook PC suppliers on the East Coast. With our high standards, aggressive pricing and superior customer service, we have proven to be one of the best notebook PC suppliers in the United States. Due to our reliable and consistent service, support and product quality, Jetta has been honored as a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner and Intel Mobile Premier Provider.

I'm sorry man but Jetta has been in business way longer than MSI. They probably sell on a par, level with Dell. The facility has the ability to produce 500+ notebooks in a month. Most wall street companies are like fake rich people, they pretend to have more money, but they really don't. For example, Newegg hasn't gone public yet because they don't have any money. They went bankrupt 5 times and where bought out 6 times, they are now owned by D&H the largest distribution company in the states. Unfortunately, Newegg doesn't only hurt the other businesses that are affected by their sales, they take advantage of chapter 11 frequently, much like Donald Trumph. Donald Trumph is just as ass anyway. Eventually it's traced back to rich corrupt parents, and large million dollar funds to fall back on. these corporate companies that control our world, and the politics and BS surrounding it pissed me off. So I decided to do it myself, although I don't get much respect, I do it for me. Chapter 11 was specifically designed for companies that affect everyday life in America, such as Delta, or an airline company, to help when natural disaster occurs, much like 9/11. Delta is recovering from Chapter 11. However when companies like Newegg, or rich snots like Donald Trumph do this, someone needs to add an amendment, it does nothing but drain the economy in logic. Fortunately, we are the United States and EVERY country owes us money. The only way for other countries to get out of debt is by borrowing money from us. heh. it doesn't seem fair to me, but I'm just stating information, not giving an opinion.

Best part about being a true company is the ability to do what you are doing odin, researching. For example, Discover Credit Card Services, has Discover LLC. This is just where the real money is. The incorporation is just the marketing to steal your money. Corporate politics are disgusting, but once I got in deep, I could either fight it or blend it, I chose to fight it instead. Logically, it all boils down to how educated you are on law, and paper pushing. Seeing that I wasn't a rich daddys boy, it only seems fair to do what is owed logically, instead of being evil, or worse, evil in denial. Bill Gates was a multi millionaire before he was even conceived.

So Why is Microsoft still in business?

Obviously, it’s not for its security model. Redmond has only recently begun to pay more than lip-service to its efforts at securing its operating system by including firewall software with recent service packs for XP (although it’s still turned off by default). See if some of the following names mean anything to you: Melissa, Blaster, Nimda, Slammer, NetSky and Bagle? Sound familiar? These virii have mostly been propagated throughout the net by Windows installations that should have been patched by Microsoft before the operating system shipped. Instead, Redmond ships insecure systems and admonishes users to frequently update their machines via Windows Update, a mechanisim whereby they can shove their unwanted DRM project down the throats of inattentive users.

Continued Windows use isn’t due to Microsoft’s innovative software either. Most of the software that Microsoft has “produced” itself was either bought or stolen from other companies. MS-DOS, which built the MS empire, wasn’t even written by Gates. He bought the rights to QDOS from Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products for $50,000 without disclosing the fact that he was intending to license the product to IBM for several times that amount.

The majority of software Windows users can’t live without aren’t even produced by Microsoft. Barring its Office suite, the three “must-have” pieces of software for Windows users, Photoshop, Flash and Quicken, are produced by Adobe, Macromedia and Intuit, respectively. Various other third-party software vendors (Roxio, MusicMatch, Nullsoft, etc.) that haven’t gotten around to (and/or refuse to) port their software, round out the list.

So, if people aren’t using Windows for its secure, innovative, in-house produced software, why are they sticking around? A monopoly can’t stay a monopoly if it doesn’t continue to generate revenue, why do users continue to pay money to a company that produces, at best, mediocre software? The answer is obvious, once you’ve read it…


Microsoft products don’t make their customers feel stupid.
Much like “outcome-based education”, Microsoft has engineered it’s software for the bottom denominator, the most dense user imaginable. A first-time Windows user can reasonably feel their way around their computer and accomplish basic computing tasks–browsing the ‘net, sending email, listening to music, etc. When they’re stumped, “Windows Help” does a fairly good job of helping. Every setting and resource has a GUI users can click through until they stumble across the correct setting. Tech support for Windows comes in, primarily, with two options–reboot or reinstall. When problems arise that the tech support can’t handle, Redmond has done a superb job of placating the users with the phrase, “it’ll be fixed in the next release”.

There are several other examples of Microsoft’s “innovation”.


Close Combat-Popular game purchased from Atomic Games
Flight Simulator-Purchased from the Bruce Artwick Organisation
Age of Empires-Collabaration with Ensemble studios(Gopal R S)
FrontPage-Microsoft’s HTML editor was purchased from Vermeer Technologies in 1996
FoxPro-This database application came along with Microsoft’s purchase of Fox Software in 1986
Internet Explorer-Desperate to play catch-up in the fast-moving Internet world Microsoft licensed code from Spyglass Inc one of the two licensees of the original Mosaic code base in 1995 and called it MSIE Microsoft then proceeded to distribute MSIE for free denying Spyglass substantial royalties for their key contribution to the product
MS-DOS-The original Microsoft cash cow, this CP/M clone, then called Q-DOS, was purchased from the Seattle Computer company in 1981. Microsoft then proceeded to thwart Seattle Computer’s license rights to the product. The tiny company sued Microsoft and prevailed in court.
Object Linking Environment (OLE)-Microsoft settled a suit with Wang Labs over patent infringement code portions of OLE which is also the heart of Microsoft’s ActiveX
PowerPoint-This presentation software package was renamed and re-branded after Microsoft’s purchase of Forethought Inc in 1987
SQL Server-This important database product is based on code purchased from Sybase in 1988
Visual Basic-Ruby, the foundation for Microsoft’s highly important Visual Basic product, was purchased from Cooper Software in 1991
Visual C-Microsoft purchased the Lattice C code compiler which became Visual C, Microsoft’s software development environment
Visual SourceSafe-Purchased from OneTree Software. Shortly after OneTree’s SourceSafe was released, Microsoft preannounced a similar application called Microsoft Delta which failed to sell. Microsoft then purchased OneTree and renamed SourceSafe as Microsoft Visual SourceSafe.
Windows-Technologies used in Windows multitasking came to Microsoft with their purchase of Dynamical Systems in 1986. Portions of the interface were licensed from Apple Computer, also in 1986
XENIX-Microsoft’s version of Unix was actually written under contract by the Santa Cruz Operation(SCO)

Bill gates has been known to throw tantrums, and frequently sleeps with Michael Dell, and other corporate Nazis.
I'm sorry I cannot stand in the way while these corporate giants steal and buy large bull dozer's with daddy's trust funds.
Michael Dell was a great man no doubt, but he gave in to easily.

Now seeing that I hate political corrupt bull****, the only way for me to change this crap is to control %75 of the computer market and force Microsoft out of business. I sell windows, but I don't buddy buddy with them. After it's said and done, I can hire 146 representatives into the house of reps and kick the liars out.

I'll probably die trying, at the age of 37 from a heart attack or better yet a nuclear blast, but at least I can live with myself everyday until then.

- Pride Before Profit.

 

So? I wasn't suggesting they were the same company. And as for Jetta being around longer:

It simply isn't true. You might want to actually do some research before criticizing my "powers of observation". Just a thought.

Edit: As for Jetta selling on a level with Dell, that's just not true. Don't have the figures at my fingertips at the moment, but will update when I get accurate sales and assembly figures for dell. I'ts more than 500/month though.

 

True. But when did MSI start selling Notebooks? I think I have technical Encyclopedia, I'll check there. You may be right, but I still have documents from Jetta. :|
However, until I have the documents it's only fair to assume your correct. Zio has blueprints for it's own notebooks, BIOS, and MP3 Devices, but patents are pending and press has not been released. I will tell you that proprietary was completely removed from the design, and we are hoping to work with Archos, however their entire company is ... french which makes communications difficult.

 

I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused. Are you admitting that the notebooks advertised on www.ZioSys.com and www.Jetta.com are OEMs, or not? That doesn't seem to have anything to do with the exact date when MSI started producing notebooks. It's all good and well that you have blueprints for your own devices, but what in the good lord's name does that have to do with any of my concerns or NUMBERED questions (your suggestion) which you have failed to categorically answer.

 

I'm confused too, MSI doesn't make their own notebooks. I told you I would have proof for you by tomorrow night, so I still have about 16 hours.

 

Umm. That's blatantly false. They may not manufacture every wire or piece of plastic in their notebooks, but they are definitely an ODM who manufactures many barebones and whitebooks, as well as providing laptops for more well known brands. Check out this link for an article about one of their production facilities.
I'll put up with claiming that Jetbook manufactures some of their own products, as I can't directly prove otherwise, and it's not that big of a deal. But it goes beyond dishonest to say that a well known, major ODM doesn't actually manufacture their own notebooks. You don't have any proof to back it up, because no proof exists. It's just not true man, get over it.

 

I see a bunch of corporate BS in that article.



Wonderful, I've seen that notebook, about 10,000 times. As far as I can tell, half of the computers are pre-assembled.

"Each of MSI's notebook assembly line can produce between 600-800 units per 12 hours shift."



I travel quite a lot, to other countries as well. If there is so many of these notebooks, why do I never see them? Ever? ( MSI Badged notebooks)
In and out of all kinds of airports...
Simple math can prove my theory, average notebook $500-$1000 for pieces, plus paying workers etc..

So looking at a monthly estimated build volume; $21,000,000.00 That's 21 million dollars worth of MSI Notebooks a month, JUST ON AVERAGE.
I know TONS of people, and I have never seen an MSI notebook. Someone want to explain this to me? Odin, does MSI publicly announce their sales?


Dell is a much larger company than MSI, sales figures ending daily where about 80 million (yes, I used to work for Hell), I have some paperwork, and after reviewing some numbers, and looking at facilities, either someone who wrote that article is an idiot, or MSI is telling a fib. Something doesn't line up. Please someone make a rating system for review websites, the only magazine that a smart consumer should trust would be MaximumPC magazine, and as far as I know all of the review websites are corrupt and fake. Corps will do anything to sell, including being big fat liars. Don't believe everything you read Odin.

I can say for sure that all MSI did was get the chassis and put a different keyboard on that computer above, just look at the assembly line pictures, and I bet I know right where it came from in Taiwan. You also see a bunch of bagged badges.

However I called Jetta, Compal, and MSI. I got mixed answers from all of them, each containing different pieces, and different model numbers for small things. Some of jettas notebooks are the same as compal with different hard drives and screens. However quite honestly, after going through all of this crap, I'm going to take a trip to Taiwan do some digging and find out what grade the beef really is. I'm going to keep buying from Jetta, because everyone who works there is in the United States, no India, and when my customers have broken stuff, they want it fixed, so we fix it. I don't like waiting on 8 day turn around, or china build and shipped like gateway.

 

You've never seen them, because only a small fraction of the notebooks MSI produces are sold as whitebooks under MSI's name. The majority are sold to major manufacturers such as HP, Dell, Toshiba, where they are then "rebranded." That is what being an ODM means. It means you provide the notebooks for other companies. Yes, Dell may be a larger company than MSI, but Dell does not actually produce any of their notebook parts (excepting some minor things like PCI-express wireless components). MSI, on the other hand, physically manufactures notebooks. Yes, they may buy some specific components from other Taiwanese companies, but MSI manufactures the barebones units. Compal does the same. They sell the barebones units to people like Jetta. I fail to see how you could possibly fail to know any of these things, seeing as how you're the founder and president of a reseller of many of these notebooks.

It's now "tomorrow night." I don't see any proof.

 

I can guarantee you that Dell doesn't buy from Compal, or MSI.
http://www.eba.com.hk/upload/Dell%20New Factory in Xiamen_1(press).JPG

I've been to the factories myself, and I know enough that the commercials on TV are false advertising, but Dell never bought from either or. You might be a bit confused on the manufacturing side as well, to me manufacturing is the chassis, not what's inside. Dell makes their own chassis, and does about 1000 other things that make them who they are (even if they buy the chassis design from an off-shore company). MSI gets their chassis from the Taiwan companies for a fraction of the cost and miss matches. Jetta is just a United States distributor, of pieces and parts, screens and small components.

So realistically, I can't answer your question with any kind of proof. Which is good for me anyway because it means I can saturate the market with well designed equipment. Not cover and mis match and re brand.

As far as I can tell Odin, you keep running in circles while the circle keeps getting bigger, the "proof is" that parts are mis matched. As I stated earlier computer parts are like beef. Besides Odin, I'm not obsessed with computers, I'm obsessed with customer support, and pushing numbers, that's my job.

My grandma can build a computer yes, but can my grandma produce a powerful full proof security solution for 5,000 computers, have them built in less than 5 days, and be able to support them for 3 years?

Can my grandma code unix software that's free for those users, and offer professional trained employees when things go wrong?
Are my employees fully aware of new and advancing technologies available within 48 hours of their release to relay information to customers.
Most of all, are my employees well trained to not take advantage of customers, and understand bull**** marketing attempts from Intel like "Centrino Mobile Technology".
Are my employees trained to research the facts, from a trustworthy source, not relay myths and garbage to listeners.
Are my employees trained on specific standards, and design guide lines.
However probably the most important aspect, are my employees trained, and carefully selected to build a technology platform that no one has ever seen before?
I'm not talking about your average 19 year old idiot, dreaming big and making himself look like a dunce, but someone who sits in front of a drawing table and hand designs computer equipment using government technology that you have never seen before? The only reason I'm fighting with you is to gain respect, after I have at least some kind of respect, I wont ever have time to post here, let alone all it does is hurt my credibility anyhow.



Odin, that's my job, to teach, build, and support.

Not Tinker, bicker, and nit-pick.

When it comes down to it, with the proper funding, my chassis will blow Dell,Gateway, Sager, Compal, grandmabuildsrus away, but as I stated earlier. Patents are pending. It takes a long time.

 

Thread closed, doesn't seem to be going anywhere.