New 6625WD Bios.....forgotten?

normal values for 6x24W series, but bad in comparison to other notebooks (which should be around 50microseconds)

 

yea thats bad lol

mine showed that with the 6625WD 008 bios, went back to the oldest bios the 004 and everything is in the green, cpu usage on idle is also at 1-3 %


have a read of this to understand what it means:

 

blackbird, off topic could you tell me what video drvs you have?

i've instaled the 174.12(laptopvideo2go) with a fresh vista install , and i get a strange flicker of the screen for a second or so mostly when i right click on the desktop, and it's random.

cheers

 

Hi all,
I can also confirm that 04 is doing wonders with the 6625, i even get a temp drop of 5-10 degres on my gpu (using 174.31 driver). I get a better light control on the screen (better steps). Only downside on 04 that i noticed compared to 11 is that the fan runs constantly.. very low rpm but still,
Anyways, the dpc looks better cpu usage is better and the temp of the computer is better.. my recomendations is.. go for 004.

 

idle usage doesn't seem to be this conected to the DPC as i got similar values and have a cpu load of 1-4% in idle, running several background processes

 

Anyone who knows were we can get hold of the 06 version as it has the mem fix for 4 gig zeptos. Or is there dpc and cpu usage issues on that aswell?

 

I am using 174.16 from laptopvideo2go, I might upgrade and if I do it will be the next whql candidates (174.53)

yep like the more brightness levels

 

I can approve the rather new 174.60 drivers, run very smooth, fast and have very few problems for me. 174.70 however should have new errors.

 

Check the battery times with the differents bios .
On the german forum someone said with bios v004 battery lasts less 2h

http://zeptoforum.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=44&func=view&id=13151&catid=41&limit=6&limitstart=48#13856

SomeOne can confirm ?

 

i havent tested but its possible as their isnt sflm in 004 bios, meaning the cpu wont idle at a lower frequency (800mhz) when idle as it does in the newer bios's

 

Hi guys, I can confirm that my ver 11 BIOS on 6625WD gives me constant 2 - 3ms in the DPC as well, so surely I am tempted to downgrade to 004 BIOS.

however has anyone run benchmarks? like CPU performance/ram whatever, I guess Zepto's manufacturer really screwed up implementing intel's latest technologies..

 

They screwed up BIG TIME... 99% of all the errors we all have around here is due to nonworking bios actions. It's silly! And i still dont get how it can be so hard to make a bios that works... every other manufactor can, sure they have bugs aswell, but I havnt seen one that havnt been fixed within short time...

 

A stupid question maybe but when is the dpc showing good results? I mean is it good if i get a red line sometimes 1 out of 15 or is it only good if it remains green. I was around 2-3 ms before downgrading to 004 and now i'm between 0.5 to 1 and somtimes a bit more over and all alot better but i'm not sure if it should be better....

Ps. anyone heard how it is going for zepto and the development of an new bios that actually works as supposed?? last i heard it was due in january and now we will soon be in april and still no new BIOS.. realy bad Zepto.

 

good result's obviously green all the way through.

2-3ms is quite bad, it means your CPU is idling for that period of time before it can be put to work again. So it may resulting in stuttering etc.

This is what mine looks like.... obviously not entirely satisfying...

 

As a comparison I get average 51µs and max 64µs with my old computer (Athlon Xp 3000+, NForce4 chipset and 1GB RAM) when running DPC-test.

 

Just to add another round of figures to the discussion:

Using 011 as per Zeptos suggestion.

 

And this is what it should look like - measured on my Samsung X60 plus.

All within the green Zone.

I start to get the impression that Inventec don't have a very big BIOS development team (and they have probably been told to give priority to next models.

John

 

Seems zepto decided to play a game of pacman with the bios's code, then couldn't find the original code and decided to ship with the half eaten code.

Seriously what kind of team do they have working over there?

Delays, shipping errors, hardware not functional, cooling problems, bios problems, promotion video showing careless application of thermal paste, WTF Zepto !!!

You call them up and they try to troubleshoot your problem with usual tips like drivers etc, then when its not solved by stuff youve been doing over and over again they ask to send it back. You send it back, you don't get it for ages, when you do get it either problem is still there with a note saying "we did not find any problems" or the initial problem has been fixed and there is a new problem be it poor putting back together or something else.

Zepto laptops are advertised as gaming (ones we have here) and hence they should have stress tested them carefully, pushed cpu/gpu to limits, check for heat problems and the usual stuff that goes with the name of gaming.

Apparently none of that was done...all they did was turn laptop on, play game of solitaire and no problems encountered so they ship it off to customers.

I wouldn't count on a new bios soon, right now their beta bios's fry up the hardware....what kind of bios is that lol ?

Also there is still no fix for the missing dvd drive, the fix you have on your site doesnt work...you still have to set the ide thing to NONE in bios for it to show up.. why the opposite..what kind of bios coding is that?



here is my dcp thing



still not perfect but better than their newer bios's

 

So does your low-latency BIOS have all the Santa Rosa support (Super low frequency and IDA)?

John

 

thats the downside it doesnt

its annoying how you have to give up features

 

Just to add furthur fuel to the fire, my DPC ltency check (on a 6625 with the bios version 011) is the same as ChristopherGrant's above...if not worse with almost all bars at 4000 microseconds.
In real terms what effect does a large latency have on performance? I get the impression it's something to do with the speed at which various parts of the computer can communicate with each other but I'm not too sure...
Is the only option for us to wait for zepto to release a better bios? Is it inadvisable to use a bios designed for another manufacturer's model?
Its very dissappointing really, esspecially with the preliminary optimistic feedback we heard on the next round of bioses...

 

Communication is going to be slower so you may experience stuttering, slowdowns, lag in intensive tasks as gaming, encoding, ripping, anything heavy on hardware.

I was thinking the same thing, the bios is a pheonix I think, wondering if we can use an updated one from pheonix or one from a similar laptop with same hardware.

 

Blackbird

My dpc looks almost as your but i got ore yellow and a bit less green. have gone trough all drivers and no luck.. best gcard driver here seems to be 174.31 but the i use 32 bit vista. What i wunder about is the sudden read peeks that comes after a while... i can't find the source of it.... probebly a bios defect in 04... one wouldn't be surprised.
Anyone that has looked at this on an xp machine? my old computer here with drivers from 06 a sempron 3200+ well it comes up to max 0.05ms and is stable i mean this new modern Zepto has to be a joke if this isn't fixed... and that soon.. i'm arting to get a bit pissed for being fooled into buying this lappy.

I kinda wunder why René and his partners aren't cometing on our complaints I mean Zepto has to been doing tests on the computers that contredicts our findings or are they incompetent? I hope René reads this so that we can get his point of view in the matter... and i realy hope zepto fix this besides of the preformance the lappy is great in my opinion (though preformance is the whole idea ).

Ps. I do have to say.. if you don't use the specific features in 011 go back to 04, fan has a enormously better control (slow increases when needed and same back to idle) screen works better cpu works better the computer is more quiet and it is alot cooler even when running heavy applications and games. (even this makes one wunder didn't zepto know how 04 worked when they started to add features for later versions.. hmmm alot of questions)

 

I also get random spikes in 004 bios.

Ive seen the zepto team reading this thread (checked what their profile said they were doing) but they don't comment, my guess is they cant help or have ran out of silly excuses to tell us.

My pick up and return warranty will be over in August...don't know what do, I don't think I can get a refund or a new machine

I also am very pissed off at all these little problems, my first laptop was a zepto...never buying from them again.

 

Perhaps we need to start a, "We want a refund" thread?

 

I think if they do give out refunds, they only apply to customers from Denmark as its in Denmark's law.

Creating a refund thread wont be useful since they can only give refunds after evaluating each individuals specific problems.

I would sure love to have my money back so I can get a working laptop or at least get a proper working one from Zepto.

 

My guess is they'll offer 'special' prices when you buy their newer model

 

Actually, i hope they can fix this becuse i'm happy with the idea of this laptop, what i am dissapointed in is the fact that Zepto doesn't confirm the problem and assure us that it will be fixed and if not we will get a new computer that doesn't have this problem. Zepto is a small company they should at least take good care of there customers.

An interesting thought... How are the rest of the models? same bios problems and latency issues?.. anyone

 

Then this latency problem has come with the support for the Santa Rosa features. Has anyone got access to a non-Zepto Santa Rosa machine, just to check whether the increase latency is really the Zepto BIOS or a by-product of Santa Rosa SLFM / IDA? I can see a scenarios where the system is so busy checking what mode the CPU should be in, or the CPU has grabbed a quick snooze, that everything else is delayed.

Has anyone tried changing the CPU features in the BIOS to see if this can reduce the latency? There's a Disable ACPI _Sx on the Advanced menu.

John

 

Sony's latest Santa Rosa laptops don't seem to suffer from this issue although it does get to 1ms on occasions. Just tested one. Lenovo I'll try later.

 

I have access to the older 6214W model which doesnt use Santa Rosa, Also know someone with the even older 4200 model, which is some years old now.

Ill see if I can get some screenshots of the tests on those models.

 

Also, I believe the 6x24W BIOS version 004a (still on the Zepto FTP site) doesn't have the Santa Rosa support. However, this may also be the version in which the CPU didn't enter the C3 sleep state, which hits the battery run time. This aspect can be checked using Perfmon.

John

 

but there's no need to install this bios on 6x24W as it doesnt' decrease the DPC Latency (which is not as bad as the 6625WD one's even if it's bad, too)
(i tested it (and even some fellows))

my idea is to disable the energymanagment in the BIOS, i'll check this later this day, it may possible, that the high DPC are effected by cpu-wake-ups as a result of bad cpu-sleep timings (i hope it gets clear what i mean^^)

 

if your idea works, i dont think such an option exists for 6625WD, as its bios is much feature less than 6x24W series

 

I can tell you as much as we are certainly not ignoring this issue, but we can't keep on saying that we have this as a very high priority (as we certainly do).
DCP latency and CPU usage at idle have been addressed in the current BIOS we are working on but we want to make a BIOS that is right this time instead of a BIOS that is half working/half giving new errors. People have been pushing us for new BIOSes but we can't release the most recent working BIOS as it is only a test BIOS that does not have a working keyboard layout on the internal keyboard. I still do not have an ETA, but it is a top priority with our Product & Quality Controller.

 

Since I downgraded to bios 004, I am getting green bars with occasional spikes which was a huge improvement over all red bars above 2000. I found switching of the wireless LAN via the hardware switch under the three blue leds for wireless, battery etc indicators pulls bars into green even further! I updated my wireless driver to the latest in the zepto ftp (it is zepto pro bgn card), still the same.

 

I've just run DPC latency checker on my 6214W from work. This is the result.

 

Disturbing, I just ran that home on 6625WD with the latest BIOS and got a smooth line of yellow bars.

 

this is my 6625 with one of the beta bioses



Atleast it looks better than the earlyer ones

cant tell you any numbers or features, sorry.


Any other user has this wierd bug/problem?



Running RMClock 2.35 Public

 

wow the 004 bios gives much better results that that.

sigh, yours is what ours should be like

 

Here's a screenshot with the DPC latency tool on the 6625WD with the latest BIOS we have for testing. I just got this from our Product & Quality Controller today.

 

Yay, that looks good! Mine is constantly in the red area (about 3000-4000), but otherwise I don't have any problems (except annoying headphone noise which I will resolve with a volume knob I'll plug between out and headphones)

 

Any chance that this will be also repeated for the 6324W's?

 

I think / hope that it will follow. The two BIOSes are very similar so transferring the changes should not be too difficult.

John

 

we can only live in hope.

 

Good to see the positive update, but same as above, I hope we will see the update on the 6X24W range shortly after

 

That's wonderful news

 

Rene, can you provide an approximate date of public release of the new bios - ie May, June, July...?
(Excellent to see a solution is on the way! Thanks for not ignoring the issues )

 

I second that...
Thanks Rene S for talking to us on the progress.. i mean.
I suppose more people has been having 6625's for quite some time now and they have not been working satesfying, finally there will be an end to it...

Ps. Don't forget to look at the stupid screen light control.. 004 has an alot better than 11.

 

Not to be cynical but up to this point bios development has been slow
and disappointing. We got a nice screenshot sure, but what's to say we
won't see the actual working bios for another 3+ months?!

I'd like to go out on a limb here and say we won't see the bios, or at
least a fully fledged version of it (not a beta) until the end of July,
at best. Anyone want to take me up on that gentlemen's bet?

UPDATE! Only days after I write this the new BIOS is out! Well it looks
like I'll be having monkeys flyin' out my bu#%! and eating my own words!