Penryn roadmap

Does anyone knows the roadmap for Penryn?

 

SRR (Santa Rosa Refresh) Penryn is already shipping.

The new Montevina Penryn should be released for shipping in very late June or early July.

 

Yes, but what will be the speed, T9500?

 

Product details are still under a Non Disclosure Agreement, but there are some details available at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevina#Montevina_platform_.282008.29

 

Will there be a new iflxx revision once montevina is out?

 

Darn. This is what I absolutely hate about buying computers: you buy a reasonably powerful machine for a reasonable price and 6 months later, something comes out that not only blows what you bought right out of the water but is probably cheaper as well. You just can't win.

 

Compal will release a new model to support Montevina

 

So, I'm curious. How long would you like computer technology to stay stagnate without new advances...1 year...2 years?

And, if it were to do that, would you call that winning?

 

I think laptops are quite powerful today for most applications, so 2 years is a good cycle for me. However laptops should be upgradable, you could just change the CPU after 2 years, not to purcahse a complete laptop.

 

No, that would be even worse -- it wouldn't do anyone any good for the technology to advance slower. I was being a slightly sarcastic: my work (experimental particle physics) relies on Moore's law to a considerable extent so I certainly don't want the technology to stagnate. But on the other hand, the rapid advancement means that no matter when you buy something, you always wish you had waited just a little longer. That's why I said that you just can't win.

 

Waiting longer just leaves you in old technology longer. A professional like yourself should figure out a replacement cycle of some defined period, and then just buy whatever is the most current technology at the time...checking first to see if there is anything significant coming out in say the next 3 months. Anything beyond that and you just sit there with older technology longer.

It is just a cost of the job. Think about what a computer costs on a monthly basis (e.g. $1,500 divided by 24 months = $62.50/month) and you will realize that, considering what it will allow you to do, it is incredibly cheap, and it takes very little energy to run. Show me another business or scientific tool that can do so much...for so little

 

Based on your words then I would need to buy another laptop soon

 

How old is your Wirelessman, and do you use it professionally?

 

I bought it in October last year, so I'm in my six month. Yes, I use it professionally, I'm a consultant in wireless technology. But I do not need extreeme speed. If I want the latest technology is more because I'm an early adopter, I like to put my hands on the latest gadgets.

However you will recognize that the 6 month cycle is pure business so companies continue making money regardless if it becomes a financial burden to the consumer. Even if an OEM already has the fastest chipset, they won't sell it unless the competition also has it, it's all a question of remaining in business and charge premiums for products w/o competition.

 

Since you are a consultant in wireless technology I would think you would need a new Montevina laptop because the new wireless technology is one of the most important improvements that Montevina offers...

Details about the new wireless technology can be found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevina#Montevina_platform_.282008.29

 

I will wait for your excellent quote, remember I told you my next laptop I would get it from you.

 

We will be here to serve you when ever you are ready

However you do know that we only ship to USA addresses, eh? For some reason I thought you were in Canada.

 

Nope, I'm from Canada but I live close to the President

In Maryland.

 

Ah well then, that's good!

 

But I think you don't ship here, right?

 

We ship Sager laptops to Maryland...

We just don't ship PowerPro or Crown laptops there due to Maryland's House Bill 488 because it would cost us $10,000 just to register there for the 1st year.

 

And I guess the one I would buy would be the PowerPro, right?

 

I don't know. I thought you were interested in the Clevo M860TU...am I wrong?

 

That's more or less what I do, though it is rare for me to use my laptop for actual physics processing. That gets done on a farm of thousands of Unix machines so I don't do work stuff locally unless something has gone wrong (not that it hasn't happened before...). I generally use my laptop as a terminal, for office and for games (RPG and RTS ones, not the high requirement shooters). My schedule for replacing it is about once every 3 years.

 

I always want the most powerful and featured, in the 15.4" cuz its portability.

 

Same here, I don't use it for the data hungry applications, I use it for MS office and www, although I don't play games, I do play Chessmaster and as you know the faster the best.

I said 2 years but I guess 3 years is good too.

 

Every two to three years is what most people use as a replacement cycle.

However if you really want to stay current (3 years is a long time with laptop technology) you could approach it another way:
1. What would your laptop be worth at the end of 3 years? Say, maybe $3-400?

2. What if you replaced your laptop every 6 months or so, and you sold what you had each time at about a $400 loss? If you started at $2,000, and lost $3-400 every 6 months, at the end of three years you would have lost $1,800-$2,400.

3. Therefore you can continually use older and older technology over a 3 year period and lose $1,600-1,700 at the end of 3 years, or you can stay consistently current and your "Total Cost of Operation" would be only slightly higher (about $5.50-19.50 a month).

This is why I like to stay consistently current instead of waiting until my laptop is 3 years old before I replace it.

 

That will most likely be the Sager version of the Clevo M860TU.

 

You lose more than that Donald, you forgot to include the price of the new laptop every 6 months.

 

Wirelessman, I did not forget to include the price of the new laptop.

You start with a laptop that costs say $2,000. 6 months later, while it is still under warranty, you should be able to sell it for about $1,600-1,700. You then buy another $2,000 laptop and you have lost $3-400.

Have you noticed that you always get more laptop for the same amount of money as time goes on?

 

Oh, I get you.

 

I paid mine $2,000, and I don't think I can sell it for $1,600.

 

There are lots of people out there, including parents, that would like to save $3-400 on a 6 month old laptop that still has at least 6 months left on the warranty.

 

Not even that. They generally die pretty soon afterwards. My Toshiba lasted just past the warranty (curse them!), something like 3 years and 1 month. My HP lasted a little over 3.5 years (to be fair, I dropped that one and it was never fully right thereafter).

If I could do that, I would. Unfortunately, I don't know of anyone who is willing to buy a used, 6 month old laptop at 80% of the price I paid for it when it was new. Mine typically has 2.5 years rather than 6 months on the warranty, but I still doubt anyone would buy it. In 6 months, you can probably get a new one with equal or better specs at the discounted price.

 

Hmmm, we find buyers for our laptops, and our customer's laptops, with a delightful degree of regularity at 15-20% off of the original price. The new ones don't typically drop in price that fast.

 

Yes, but you're talking about a computer store. People looking for computers would go to you anyway and some fraction would see something cheap and go for it. People who might be interested in my 6 month old laptop would be very unlikely to know I'm even interested in selling it.

Also, what do you mean by your "customer's laptops"? Are these the ones that are returned?

 

Our customers often come to us and want to buy a new laptop and ask us to help them sell their current one. Just look at all of the SOLD units in our forum. We often sell them on the phone as well.

There is also a Buy, Sell, Trade section of this forum.

 

You can post on the trade and sell thread to sell your laptop.

 

Is this a conditional trade? If you can sell my laptop then I can buy you one?

 

Manwhenever u're ready for your barebone.. and if my CPU price is lower than market.. just PM me for that Penryn . But first try to get ur IFL90 sold first hehehe

 

Are you baking them in your kitchen oven?

 

Nope, just two good forum places to advertise yours for sale, and neither one costs you anything.

 

NBR and ?

 

And the powernotebooks forum he linked to earlier in the thread. I might actually try this idea out -- I'll be out of the USA for a while during the summer and possibly later, but when I get back, Montevina will probably be out and there might even be a price cut at some places. It also depends on how well my JFL92 fares with constant travel, Mass Effect and Dragon Age. We'll see.

 

That's make sense, I'll try it too, but I think I would like to wait just a little bit so all bugs are cleared in the first batch of Montevinas.

 

Please re-read post #37

 

Yes, I did, I'll working on this so I can get my next laptop soon. I'll check what you have on your web site, and again price is not my priority, customer service is, and I cannot wrong with you and company.

 

Yep I will get the new verson directly when it will be ready for selling.

 

And I guess you will do a review as well. Did you read the thread I sent you?

 

yep and send you a reply.