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    Petition for a swap of Fn and Ctrl?

    Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by whatevs, Aug 12, 2007.

  1. whatevs

    whatevs Notebook Consultant

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    I want to see how many people are uncomfortable having the Fn key at the bottom left instead of Ctrl, because I sure get frustrated all the time with my old laptop because of this.

    I know the it's impossible to swap Fn and Ctrl on the user-end; because Fn exists in the BIOS only, not the Windows / Mac keyboard setup.

    So, the only thing I can do is ask Zepto a favor to either:

    1) Swap the Fn and Ctrl in the BIOS for all upcoming BIOS updates; or
    2) Release 2 versions of each new BIOS: one for FnCtrl, one for CtrlFn

    But of course, I'm only 1 person, so if not enough people sign this, I guess not a lot of people dislike FnCtrl.

    Thank you for your attention, signed.
     
  2. cherv1

    cherv1 Notebook Consultant

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    I agree with this idea in principle.
     
  3. adinu

    adinu I pwn teh n00bs.

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    I think that I use ctrl+___ more than I use the Fn key. I would hate to try and ctrl v something and be pressing the stupid Fn key.

    Also I play several games that I use the ctrl key for, and it would be really annoying to have to navigate my left pinky away from the Fn key in the corner.
     
  4. jubas

    jubas Notebook Enthusiast

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    haha yeah - it is a tad annoying.. I'm keen for a swap!
     
  5. Labmonkey

    Labmonkey Notebook Enthusiast

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    I agree, please swap it
     
  6. John Ratsey

    John Ratsey Moderately inquisitive Super Moderator

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    I'm used to Fn being in the corner and since I used Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V a lot then I am happy not to have to stretch the fingers on my left hand so far.

    I would be less worried by the postition of the left Ctrl key if there was also one of the right side of the keyboard. I have two Windows keys, which I never use. I am planning to remap one to Ctrl when I get round to it. In fact, having the other as Fn would also be useful.

    Another preference on the keyboard layout would be a bigger reversed "L" enter key and a smaller left shift key, but that preference is based on the layout of my Samsung X6 plus, which seems to work OK for me.

    If Zepto could figure out a way to swap the Fn and Ctrl key at the BIOS level then that would be a first and enhance their status as a pioneering company. They probably wouldn't want users pulling the key caps off to change then but providing some stickers with each computer would be an adequate alternative.

    John
     
  7. whatevs

    whatevs Notebook Consultant

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    I personally wouldn't mind picking out the two keys and swapping them physically -- I've done that with my current laptop many times.
     
  8. saxdave

    saxdave Notebook Geek

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    I am used to it now, but at first I found it quite tricky to get Ctrl+C etc right first time, because with the size of my hands the Ctrl key was too close to the other keys. But I've got used to it now. If I were given the choice though, I would have chosen to have them the other way round.
    I'd be interested to hear from Zepto why they chose to have them that way round.

    That would have to be a BIOS job too.
     
  9. asdfasdf

    asdfasdf Notebook Consultant

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    That was my concern too but after some weeks it was no problem for me anymore.
    And then? The Fn-key doesn't produce a key code so swapping will be useless.
     
  10. wave

    wave Notebook Virtuoso

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    I dont see what the big deal is. You get used to it really fast no? I switched to a macbook pro a few weeks ago and now have to press apple key (like windows key) + c or +v and I am already used to it too. Plus there are programs for it to change this no? There was one posted in the samsung forum a few weeks ago. Dont they work for Zepto too?
     
  11. whatevs

    whatevs Notebook Consultant

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    Well, I mean, I've taken every single one of my keys out to clean them on the current keyboard, not swapping them around.

    There shouldn't be any programs out there that can change this, because Fn is not a key recognized by Windows.
     
  12. moon angel

    moon angel Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    I actually prefer Ctrl in the corner as it makes it more intuitive to find in games.
     
  13. simple-screen

    simple-screen Notebook Enthusiast

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    yep, i'm also for the swap! :)
     
  14. knalty

    knalty Notebook Enthusiast

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    Never mind that I don't own a Zepto laptop, but something like this is one of those "little things" that make or break whether you keep or return the laptop. I don't know what started this rash of Ctrl/Fn button switching across whitebox laptop manufacturers, but switch it back!
     
  15. ridestp

    ridestp Notebook Guru

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    On an HP laptop at my work, the BIOS has the option of switching the FN and Ctrl keys, and since they are both the same size keys, they can be popped off and swapped.
     
  16. TreeFrog

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    Signed up just to add support for this idea!
    I'm thinking about buying a 3415W for work/home later this month, and a BIOS option to switch the keys over would be great - I've used laptops with Fn at the bottom left in the past and always found it a pain, especially when trying to copy text.
     
  17. Nania

    Nania Notebook Consultant

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    I don't think it's a problem at all... I actually like the position of Fn/Control, it's not as straineous on your hands when you use alot of keyboard shortcut keys :)

    But I guess a BIOS function to swap them around wouldn't hurt anyone
     
  18. John Ratsey

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    I'm not sure whether the key swap could be handled by just a BIOS fix or whether it would need other hardware modifications.

    I hope that someone in Zepto has seen this thread and is looking into the issue. If there is an easy fix it would be wonderful. Otherwise it could go on the list of features for inclusion in the next series.

    For me, which key has the corner seat would only sway my purchasing decision if there are two otherwise equal computers which tick all the right boxes. My last several notebooks have all had Fn in the corner so I prefer it that way, but I would soon get used to a different arrangement. After all, other keys tend to move around a bit.

    John
     
  19. spiri

    spiri Notebook Enthusiast

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    Holy ****, no way! I would hate to have the Fn key in the bottom left corner!

    I think that Ctrl should be in the bottom left, just like it is on a desktop keyboard!
     
  20. whatevs

    whatevs Notebook Consultant

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    That's what this petition is for -- currently, then Fn key is in the bottom left corner, and we want it swapped. =)
     
  21. gueuze

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    +1 for the Ctrl key in the bottom left!
     
  22. blade_4.9

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    It's not a big issue for me but I would prefer ctrl in the corner
     
  23. headfirst

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    I'm in favour of the swap. Just make sure (whoever gets to fix this doozy) that it works on all keyboards (Belgian!).
     
  24. ZeptoUK

    ZeptoUK Company Representative

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    Guys, Just to say that this cannot be done on the 6224-6324-6024 and the 3 series models
    It is only the 6625WD and 6025WD that have it the other way around as standard
     
  25. viiiper

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    :D from 6224 owner
     
  26. spiri

    spiri Notebook Enthusiast

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    Wow I'm just too lazy to read the thread :D Haha :D