Question about Xoticpc and the 840

I recently placed an order for the FORCE EXTREME 840. After charging my card i got a call from Xoticpc saying that OCZ is now going to discontinue the model and due to some type of dispute the only models left include the Blueray read/burner. So i would have to either get the blueray added or cancel my order. They discounted the item due to the "mixup" but only by about 20%. The item is 420 and they said they would give it to me for 350 or something like that. I am not really sure what to think. Anyone have any input on this? I cant help but have sort of a bad taste in my mouth about this.

 

WHAAAAAAAAAAT???????

 

Yeah the guy at Xotic PC said discontinue he cited some dispute between the manufacture and the distributor or something i didnt really get it all. All I know is i drop another 350 for the burner or i get nothing. Which sucks....

 

get nothing. if they're discontinuing the model, you never know how the support/repair situation will be in the future... Clevo announced a slew of new laptops at CES a few weeks, and I'm sure one of them will fit your needs just fine.

 

This is true. All OCZ whitebooks have been discontinued, and the only ones currently being sold are ones that already been bought - so I'm guessing XoticPC still has some with blu-ray left in stock.

 

ah, a reseller any info on why the Whitebook has been discontinued?

 

All I know is that there was some sort of falling out between OCZ and Flextronics, and now there are no longer any Flextronics whitebooks available for sale. And yes, this also means no 48XX series cards - at least through OCZ. It might be possible to buy them from a different company, or from Alienware since they still offer the M17.

 

so AW won't be getting any new Whitebooks either?

 

well, I just officially crapped my pants....

 

mine to WT F ughhh just when it got good

 

you're probably not the only one... i think the sound and smell of crapped pants is echoing around NBR...

 

As far as I know Alienware will still offer the M17. They import directly from Arima, they don't go through OCZ. That's why, as previously stated, it may be possible to buy the 48XX cards from them when they are available.

Sorry for any confusion

 

Well great and I was going to place my order tomorrow. SO what is comparible to the specs and price? I swear I find something and then it either goes away or it has issues.

 

great....and buying the 4870 from AW is gonna be such a long pain in the ***.....it will be overpriced and out of stock daily

 

do you mind? some of us who already bought this are trying to crap our pants.....

 

ROFL mixed with a tiny bit of glee

 

laugh and the whole world laughs with you, cry and you cry alone....crap your pants and apparantly only OCZ Whitebook owners crap thier pants with you

 

so im hoping this doesnt effect if alienware decides to use the 4870's in the m17 or just make a new laptop model...then it wont be possible for whitebook or m17 owners to upgrade

 

oh, i don't think it'll be that bad. it's not like they're gonna stop supporting it... course, fixing a mobo issue just got seriously more difficult. but hey, if you're lucky, XoticPC will just give you a new lappy

 

It'll definitely still be supported. You don't have to worry about that.

 

Oh, sure, like the support from OCZ has been so spectacular so far....

Anyway, this from XoticPC

Seriously, I am not really worried for myself. I made one tech support call in my entire life to get a bios update that had disappeared from an ftp server.

I have some concern for driver updates, and also as someone else mentioned, though, it's going to be tough to get parts, but it's always disconcerting when something like this happens because at the heart of it you want to know--what happened.

OCZ not cutting it as a sales partner? Or is Flextronics not able to keep up with demand?

People wanna know

 

Flextronics = Arima? or is the path of the notebooks Arima (manufacturer) -> Flextronics (distributor) -> OCZ (seller) -> Reseller (reseller) -> Customer (buyer)?

 

Flextronics bought over Arima. So the path of notebooks is:

Flextronics (manufacturer) > OCZ (USA Distributor) > Boutique Shop (Builder and/or reseller) > Customer

 

oh, right, i get it. so another company instead of OCZ (MSI? Compal? who else sells barebone laptops off the shelf?) will take up spot #2, which won't effect the boutique reseller.

EDIT: +rep for DarkSmiley for being johnny-on-the-spot.

 

No, MSI and Compal are ODMs like Flextronic-Arima.

Flextronic-Arima needs a distributor like Sager is a distributer for Clevo

 

I don't know of any company that may be taking over, hopefully Justin will come on and give us any information he has on that.

 

yeah guys this is news just out. from what i was told alienware will still be using the chassis. we were kept in the dark till the minute they decided to announce this to us. basically we placed orders and ocz cancelled them. and then started the calls. it happened that fast there was 0 prior notice.

good thing is the ocz uses standard slots so if anyone does a card that matches the slot it *should* work. one just has to be flashed to be a slave card which is not that hard to do. for instance the msi 4850's are the same slot style card but im unsure if they can be used crossfire or not. im trying to order a few to try them and see.

ocz is 100% still supporting these as long as anyone has warranty and they have parts in stock they are keeping from what i was just told for any warranty issues. from what i understand there is a new company that is possibly going to kinda take up where they left off at least ive heard that from 2 different sources now.

after asking a freind of mine who works with dell he called them just now and at least he was told (again this is what he was told) alienware does not plan to discontinue the m17 but again thats what he was told.

if i find out anything more i will post it.

for anyone that has a single 3870 i can still get my hands on a few slave cards if needed. if i can help at all please let me know

 

i only got my m17 last feking week,,, awaiting 4870s ect and wanting to change to whitebook bios..... does this mean all this wont happen no more or what if any of this will affect aw m17 users.

 

hummmmmm, sounds like major drama to me.

flex tried to play ocz and everyone else, then when the new 4800 cards came out...they didn't work/don't fit or are to powerful for that measly one fan and scaled down heat sink. so since flex wanted to push the new cards (just like every other whitebook owner and reseller), they would have to redesign the whole model. so all these people who bought the original can no longer upgrade... how much you want to bet that's what is going on? so ocz kicked flex to the curb! they we're banking on all the 4600-4800 upgrades they would sell, but got bamboozled by flex. why else would they discontinue a perfectly good line of notebooks that just came out 3 months ago? the 3870's are just barely making the cut in that case. that and some ocz people are getting alienware logos on their ocz notebooks(seen that posted some where)

hot off the internet presses... more drama!

now get this

ocz went and raised the price of the slave 3870 cost wise to 360 from 220$ because they are limited now??? what freaking bs is this about... wow

so i wouldn't count on getting a 4870 any time soon if i we're you...

(pure speculation of course)

 

I don't mean to disrespect, but I think that's completely incorrect speculation. The 48XX cards are still being made for the W840-DI, except since Alienware is the only company currently importing them, Alienware will be the only one to get them. I wouldn't say anything about the model not being able to handle them.

 

you can still use the whitebook bios, i have mine available for anyone if a m17 user would like it simply pm me.

as far as i am told at this point (this could all be wrong) aw is still going to upgrade this chassis to the 4800 series cards. again thats what im hearing not a fact though

 

love your speculation there johnksss, even though I don't believe you're right

 

LOL
nothing wrong with that. it's just speculation on my part. you know..like what every one likes to do when major things happen in the laptop community.

and what do ya mean..exclusive? did flextronics make the pcb board or did ati make it? if ati made it, then anyone can sell it, but if flex in fact did make it...then you might be right about 4800's being exclusive to that model.
and untill i see one, im sticking with my story. lol

(more speculation of course)

edit: matter of fact, they we're all buddy buddy while the 4800's we're being tested, then boom, the big fall out....



another speculation....
dell/alienware decided to corner the the gaming community and bought exclusive rights to everything, thus knocking out the the smaller compeditors....hummmmm..... now that would be interesting if true.....

 

I bet the fallout was over a girl...it's always a girl

First the Beatles, now Flextronic-OCZ......

 

Is Flextronics the manufacturer for OCZ's other 15" and 17" notebooks as well?

 

some of them yes

 

i think your right...and i still think her name was ms 4870...lol

j/k

 

lol, I always thought she's homo. U can mostly see her in fire relationship with other 4870 .

Cheers

Luke

 

rotflmao!!

 

Lemme throw in my 2 cents.. I agree with john, and I believe I mentioned a bit of that to him.

Here's the short of it. OCZ was having issues with Flex already, because Flex has a tendency to send products over with less than acceptable initial quality testing. There have been issues for a while whereas the units are scratched, dented, dinged, and cracked.. So, flex obviously stacks them 1

 

Ok.. my 2 cents on the matter. johnksss has WAY too many screens in his Lexus..

And on another note, OCZ has had issues with Flex's initial quality control since the OCZ was released. Flex tends to send units with scrapes, scratches, dings, and cracks. Well..then Flex tells OCZ the 4k series is in testing.. OCZ is already upset that about 16% of their units are cosmeticaly defective.. but that's put behind them because of the 4k series coming out. Also, OCZ tries pulling teeth from Flex..asking for things like drivers, BIOSes, SUPPORT. In the meantime, AW has now joined the group. AW vs. OCZ? Nah.. But, AW gets the media acclaim of being the first mobile platform to support Quad-core. Remember that? In the meantime, us OCZ users chuckle..cause we have been there for a month or two. Anyhow, OCZ is still kinda upset about quality.. but shrugging their shoulders cause Flex keeps telling them the 4k ATI cards are coming soon.. OCZ is told that there's some minor issues with heat, which isn't suprising cause the 3k series runs @ 80+ under full load. But hey, we are all hopeful right? Let's jump forward 2 weeks. OCZ keeps telling us new drivers are being released, but instead.. Flex doesn't want to put any more of their assets to purchase new drivers from ATI - instead they use the original WHQL driver and inspect my mods, as well as another users mods.. just to see what we did to gain performance and stability. Why? Because it's cheaper than paying ATI for WHQL drivers.. Why wouldn't they pay ATI for drivers? Cause they already knew the 4k series would never make it.. they already knew OCZ was having support issues, they already knew these rigs were being bought by AW.. Would you rather buy from OCZ or AW, if you were a "general" consumer? Well..probably AW cause they're known as being a high-end dealer with fancy lights and buttons. Ok..in the meantime, OCZ is dealing with Flex..waiting on these new GPUs... but if the 3k series is getting HOT, then how could the 4k series ever work without a new GPU heatisnk design or a new chassis? Well..short of it is, it can't. So, while Flex tells OCZ that it's going to support the 4k series..they also tell AW that it won't. This is why AW would never confirm. Now, Flex just embarassed OCZ cause they say that "yes, this is the next 4k series notebook with crossfire" and OCZ then tells all resellers the same. Only problem is.. the Flextronics Corp. was just saying that to continue selling cracked, scraped, and faulty rigs to OCZ. Once the 4k series is now official..and rigs are shipping with them installed, Flex is put on the spot. Since the system can't currently support the 3k series as efficiently as we'd all like.. Flex decides, "we should probably save face and bow out". Unfortunately, that doesn't save the resellers face. It doesn't save OCZ face. And as a matter of fact, AW will likely no longer be carrying this system either... UNLESS AW has something to do with this. They get the media pull.. they're the nationally known botique dealer. They buy out the rights by OCZ.. now they can create their own non-overclocking BIOSes.. they can strangle their customers with rules..they can save Flex money. I think the 4k series was a small part of this, but I also think AW was a large part. Supposedly, this chassis is no longer going to be produced by Flextronics. I suppose now AW will deal directly with Arima then. Because otherwise..it would be pie on AW's face..and if that were the case, then I'm sure someone would have leaked it.

Sorry for the continuos ramble..blame it on captain & coke - but I know AW is silently sitting back playing politics. I also know that Flex is a smart-minded business. This is all about profit, and what is most profitable.. Well, if you're sending scraped, cracked cases to a company which replaces half the exterior chassis anyhow..then why would you want to send the crap to a company who expects everything to look good? Ya dont have to. Long story short..everyone got the sheets pulled over their eyes. And, I hope AW brings out the 4k series so that they can rub it in Flexs face.. and embarass those lying bast@rds. I'm done with my rant.. lemme sum it up for you.

Flextronics, you are blood sucking vampires who prey on the weak. OCZ, you are weak. AW, you better become a vampire or you're dead in the sun too. Politics kills the general public, all of this should have been expected.

Oh. And this is all speculation.. I am good at assuming. And we all know what happens when we assume.

 

E +1 cuz that took forvever and if i get screwed over heads will roll ....ohh i was so happy the 4870's better come out and the laptop better stay supported this was saposed to be a corner stone first quadcore ddrs .... argggg P/O

 

man, there are 6 flip downs in there 3 more across the back windows for the tailgaters...lol and that screen in front is a 15.4 uniwill! (remember them? it was top of the line when i bought it..hahaha, not any more.) woohoo, i was getting my game on on the road back then...lol

E-wrecked

^^^^^^^yeah, what he said.

i couldn't make a call on the cases, because E and zfactor
we're the only ones who explained to me in detail about how the cases come...

 

well newegg still has all of the diy models for sale at this time as do a lot of resellers they have some stock left on these. im sure if they had that many issues with returns they would have stopped selling them a long time ago. newegg has sold a lot of these

 

issue isnt the laptop its politics

 

I'm charging E-wrecked with "Insider Trading" since he dumped his Whitebook days before this became public!!!

j/k..

This is a shock, I have been on the fence about a Whitebook for all of 2009, I was waiting for the 4k series before I made the dive, this made my decision easy.

 

what choices are out there now? 9800gtx are over priced for performance ....there might be another laptop to hit with 4870's i hope ...some one some where ...whitebooks are out there go to newegg quick before they run away...

 

Nice one.

Well, Alienware almost confirmed that M17 will support 4870 :

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://portables4gamers.com/&ei=xgSVScbwN6KHjAe5ovW7Cw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dportbles4gamers%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-GBfficial%26hs%3DECW%26sa%3DG

Cheers

Luke

Edit: I don't know how to make this bloody link to work. It's on the page three, titled: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870 from Alienware?

 

Well.. it only took a month, and 2 sales..plus me adding a QX9300 - Yeah.. I spent money to lose money. Go figure

And regardless of whether or not the 4k series will be supported by OCZ or AW.. this rig is still SICK. Heck, find another that beats it

 

i think i missed something in that link wanna tell me where?