Shipping date of the PowerPro J 10:15 (Compal IFL90) delayed until late June...but the WSXGA+ IS the 8600 GT

paladin, do you have any ifl90's in which you can run some some games on and give us some info on the fps (like bf 2, fear, etc)?

 

I am sorry but we don't have any to test at this time since they have not yet been released.

 

The rest of that statement makes sense, but I'm not seeing the inferior graphics card...As far as I know, the C90s has an 8600M GT with 512MB GDDR3, which seems to be the same if not better than both the IFL90 and G1S.

 

Vivek, it has the 8600M GT, w/256MB on chip and TurboCache up to 512MB Video Memory (requires 1GB system memory for TurboCache). That is clearly inferior to having 512MB dedicated on the video card.

 

I just needed to quote this so people make sure to notice

 

Good feedback so far.

As for the C90 I dont think it will be a very hot notebook at all, battery life will be short tho I agree but im always near a plug.

I was under the impression it was a 512mb dedicated card, infact im almost sure of it, eather way tho turbo cache is good because the more ram you add the more "emulated" video card memory you have. They just ran some benchmarks the other day on the 8600gt 256 and going from 2gb to 3gb of ram almost doubled there fps due to the extra ram being used as turbo cache.

As for all the customization options so far, most of that is null to me, the price to get a better hdd or more ram from a dealer is not as cheap as getting it myself from newegg and putting it in, and the warrenty for stand alone products is longer, buyng a seagate momentus on its own for instance is a 5yr warrenty vs the 3yrs you get if you have it put in the machine. Most ram comes with a lifetime warrenty bought on its own, ect. Then there is that whole satasfaction of having it done by your own hands.

See what I thought at first was that the Compel was a better priced product, but its the same price just with lesser stuff, puting equal stuff in there results in equal price. So if you want to pay less you have to get less of a machine thats not what I was looking for.

If sombody honestly needs a lower powered machine or has special circumstances in wich the savings help them (like having a copy of vista/xp to use already ect) then they can take advantage of those things.

I'll keep an eye out incase the C90 is not all its cracked up to be, but I think barebone is the way for me to go since im a hands on guy and know the in's and outs of saving money and getting the best performance all at the same time.

Id say the 1500$ configs for this machine put in on par with the power/quality of a dell 1505, but with them they have these insane like 500$ off cupons floating around weekly, then cupons for 50-100$ off on ebay that you can buy for 20$ that stack with it. If you know how to play your cards you get away with a very cheap deal. So personally I am not instrested in this unless its configured to top specs. The 2.4ghz cpu is nice but at way too much of a premium. Intell has price drops next month, Ill just get a e6600 for like 150$ running a solid 2.6ghz.

 

You CAN get the IFL90 barebones style, atleast Xotic PC has it on their site...

Another question, do we know what kind of hard drive will be coming with the IFL90?

 

The performance gain you get from a desktop CPU is just a higher FSB, and you are talking what? 800mhz vs 1066mhz? It's honestly not going to be that large a difference in real world performance. The desktop processor will however not be optimized for power consumption, that's the real user noticable difference.

I'd like if you would share your findings on turbocache doubling the FPS, because I'm skeptical as to how that works. There is a limitation in how fast the GPU can operate and crunch the data so at some point you will have more ram then you can use, which means you have created huge amounts of address tables which require even more CPU time to calculate and track. I'd also like to see if they did the same benchmark using a system of comparable stats other then a non-turbocache memory.

Refer to my previous post on the "Dell Deals", just replace the term ASUS for DELL..

 

Hmm. I'm pretty sure that it is 512MB dedicated; the Asus website makes no mention of TurboCache with the 512MB VRAM.

 

This thread does seem to wander quite a bit on-and-off-topic. I will allow it, however, since I'm sure these questions are important to some potential IFL90 buyers.

As far as build-your-own vs. buying a professionally assembled system is concerned, however, I need to go and dig up that old post of mine:

EDIT: Here we go:

Sorry guys, had to do it...

 

Oh no! Not that again! We are sorry Chrisyano! *cowers*

 

Ok let me dig up the link for you on the test. Desktop cpu FSB is not a big deal but 2.6ghz stock vs the 2.2 is, plus the desktop cpus are more powerfull clock for clock. In adition the overclock mode takes the cpu to nearly 3ghz thats a substantial jump in power.

Heres the link: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=125246&page=34

Look at Kens post "GenTech" root around back a few pages and forward he has various benchmarks @2gb and @3gb of system ram and his fps shot WAY up with the increase in ram. I thought it was a bug at first because there have been several benchmarks on desktops showing an average of like 6-10% increase in FPS in games going from 2 --> 4gb of ram on a desktop, so I knew there was no way 2 --> 3gb on a notebook would show 80/100% increase in fps.

Then the topic of turbo cache came up and it all made sense.

 

That does seem kind of odd to hear that TurboCache-GPUs are outperforming GPUs with more dedicated VRAM.

 

I've gone 6 pages back and forward from the one you linked, and I'm only seeing screenshots that have no FPS counter.

What I do see is that the test's were done using Windows Vista, which is more then able to chew up 1.5GB of SYSTEM ram by itself (forcing games into the swap file again hurting performance), leaving little for a game to use. I'm going back to my gut feeling that the improvement is due to the SYSTEM ram, not the turbo-cache.

What I'd like to see is that machine with 3GB ram, and the turbocache disabled, to compare to the figures you say are there with turbocache enabled.

Vicious, please keep in mind I'm not saying that you are wrong, just that the facts you have might be incorrect, or misleading..

/off-topic
My copy of MEPIS only uses 222mb ram with full 3D glory running and all my "daily" applications at the same time... Vista is such a let down..

 

Yes, it is. I know that TC is pretty efficient, so it shouldn't take that much of a performance hit, but I don't think it should be faster though.

 

i'd like to hear more about the release dates...

 

At this point late June is the best estimate we have to offer.

 

Waiting blows...

 

im sorry if this has already been discussed, but I was unable to find it, and the search terms are too small..
what is the GS and GT referring too? and what is the difference? why is the GT better?? is this relationg to processer type or what?

 

See http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600M.html

You will see the GT has twice the Stream Processors (engines)

 

Hah! Love the new avatar Donald!

 

A couple of corrections:

1. The spec on the PowerPro J 10:15 (IFL90) WXGA 8600M w/256MB has now been confirmed as GT, not GS This will be for the production models that start shipping the 2nd week of July.

2. See #1 above...the WXGA and WSXGA+ production models will start shipping the 2nd week of July, with the WXGA+ starting to ship about 2 weeks later.

3. We currently offer the 6 cell batteries that will work with any IFL90 screen resolution. At first we were not going to bring them in, but there was so much demand we decided to do so. They are not in yet, but will be shortly and can be ordered in our Accessory Store at http://www.powernotebooks.com/category.php?catId=144

 

Second week of July. :/ Oh well, just gotta keep my mind off my laptop. lol
Tim

 

Is that the estimate for the glossy screen or the matte version of the WSXGA+? If glossy, how much sooner do you expect the mattes to come in? Sorry about all the questions, I'm starting to get excited

 

That is for the WSXGA+ Matte screen. At this time we do not know when to expect the Glossy screen. It could be 2-4 weeks or....???