Shutdown / Hibernation behaviour & USB - just a BIOS issue or hardware related?

As I once posted before, some behaviour related to shutdown/hibernation and USB power of my 6625WD is really stupid. This is why:

- When going to hibernation, when I plug-out the AC connector (because it really takes a LONG time (about 3 minutes) to hibernate, so I put everything in my bag), it won't really power-off BUT goes to standby! And this is not even a real standby: If you power-on again, the whole hibernation-**** gets loaded again, so WHY not just leave it powered-off even when I pull the AC connector when hibernating? I already decided before that I wanted to hibernate. I would have chosen standby if I really wanted it to. In ADVANCE.

- When going to hibernation, or after having hibernated, pulling the USB mouse will make it RESTART. And this is quite stupid: Nothing else but the Power-Button OR pulling OUT the mouse would make it restart. Not even pressing a key on the keyboard. BUT pulling the mouse. This MUST be a bug.

- When the computer is shut down, there still is power on all USB outputs. When I plug-in the external hard drive, it powers on and is constantly spinning. I suspect that the whole circuit is consuming energy as long as the battery is connected to the notebook. More than actually needed.

So can this all be solved with a future BIOS or is the chipset/motherboard faulty? Because this sometimes really pisses me off (big time).

 

Are u using vista?

U could try a reinstall of OS if possible.I had some issues like that before and a reinstall with drivers helped a lot.

 

No it does not...I have had this problem for quite long. I have tried to re install the drivers several times but no difference at all.

 

I wouldn't want to reinstall. I have made 3 complete windows (XP) installs and setups in the last month and I don't want to do any more of it, because I have a huge load of programs and settings to install every time. And "reinstall OS" can't always be the top solution.
If drivers are a problem, well an update should help. But not a complete re-install of everything.

Using Vista on this notebook.


If it's a driver issue, which drivers need to be installed or updated and where can I get them?

 

I recall the previous discussion and we had gone through all the possible causes. The nearest I could think of is Vista's hybrid sleep mode, which combined hibernation and suspend to RAM. However, I've never encountered that happening to me.

I have to wonder whether there's a hardware problem. On my 6024W the USB ports are dead when the computer is on battery and I would expect the same to apply to the 6625WD.

John

 

This thing is a common "feature" of all 6625s. I have it too (and I actully think everyone with a 6625 has it), and it doesnt help to reinstall anything or any drivers. Its just simply BIOS bugs.

For the stanby light coming on when hibernating, dont close the lid while hibernating or it will come on.

For the unplugging of USBs after hibernating, unplugging my ext. hdd does not resume the comp, but unplugging both mouse and usb-headset causes resume. Only fix Iv found for this is to unplug the devices while the laptop still is in Vista (while its hibernating)

And the power is allways on for the USBs even on battery, wich is stupid. Havent found anything to fix this.

 

I also had my first random shutdown also today.
I hope downgrading the BIOS or somehting like that may help, because I'm actually trying to work with this thing (I mean that's one of the things you do with a notebook, besides playing games)

 

I have a theory that the shutdowns are caused by a bug in the Santa Rosa support in the BIOS (I'm particularly suspicious of IDA). So I suggest that you go back to an earlier BIOS and see what happens. Perhaps, if we accumulate enough evidence, then Zepto will go over the BIOS with a magnifying glass.

John

 

I have a question to you all guys who has been experiencing the sudden reboots and shutdowns.
After how long time comes the reboot/shutdown and is it with or without AC.. i Ask because i always use AC power and so far i have had no reboots with 015.. i test alot and though i think 004 is a better bios i still want to see if hopfully zepto can make an santarosa feature rich bios that works as supposed that said 015 has alot to improve before it is a good one so don't missunderstand me, i just havn't had the reboots/shutdowns.. so far.

 

i have had them and I am nearly always on ac.
04 is the best for me but get the ram message at start up plus the missing features oh and the reboots if I touched near the volume control corner.
After that 15 is the best of a bad lot.

 

I am quite interested if this is a bios problem that can be solved with a future BIOS update some day or if it is Hardware related. Well I can live with it and learned the "procedure" to properly hibernate a Zepto:

- Unplug USB
- Hibernate and Wait
- Unplug power plug
- Close Lid

Any change in that order may result in a big "WTF?!"

With 4GB of RAM, Hibernation takes so long now (about 3-4 minutes), I'd sometimes consider a normal shutdown over hibernation, if there isn't much work to be continued. seems that there is a threshold when hibernation is way slower than just a normal start with reloading everything.
On my old P4, with 1GB of RAM, hibernation and waking up from hibernation really takes about 10-20 seconds!

 

I never completely close the display until the lights go out in case the computer gets confused between hibernation and sleep.

I've never timed my 6024W but I suspect that 3GB takes around 2 minutes. How big is your hibernation file (hiberfil.sys in the root of the C: drive)? Is it 4GB or some lesser amount (32-bit Windows can't use all of 4GB)?

4 minutes is far too long to dump the RAM to the HDD (I see you have 7200rpm). I wonder if the hibernation file is fragmented and / or got itself near to the slow end of the hard disk. Google for PageDefrag. It might help.

John

 

The hiberfil is 3.1GB and I think the latest analysis were 2 fragments. For such a big file, 2 fragments should be no problem at all.
And according to JKDefrag, it is one of the 2 big blocks sitting somewhere in the middle of the drive (hiberfil.sys and pagefile.sys)

As I know, Pagedefrag is still a bit difficult to run under Vista, so until now I kept my hands off that until they find a better solition for that.

Also, I saw an option for "boot defrag" somewhere in the settings under vista. Maybe this would help?