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    The PowerPro P 12:15 (Compal JHL90) will begin shipping Thursday July 31st!

    Discussion in 'Other Manufacturers' started by Donald@Paladin44, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. Donald@Paladin44

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    Not much more to say other than due to the built in antenna leads, it will only support the Intel® WiFi Link 5100 instead of the Intel® WiFi Link 5300 WiFi card.

    The only difference is the speed. The Intel® WiFi Link 5100 transfers at up to 300MB/s while the Intel® WiFi Link 5300 transfers at up to 450MB/s. Here are more details.

    For Internet access it will make no difference because they are both still more than 10x faster than any Internet download speed, but for data transfer you will see a difference in speed.

    Expect to see some reviews shortly :)
     
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    Sasathi Notebook Enthusiast

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    awesome news! i am waiting for reviews before i decide to buy this
     
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    Forget the reviews...I WANT IT ASAP!
     
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    I guess the Sager NP2096 also will start shipping today?
     
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    Sager news is in the Sager section of the forum.
     
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    archer7 Notebook Evangelist

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    Any updates on this yet? I'm really eager to see some initial impressions of the Compal JHL90.
     
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    They have been shipping daily since July 31st, so I would expect to see some reports here shortly.
     
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    RePaRaQu One name. One legend.

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    paladin44, is the posted info about the wifi cards confirmed by Compal/Marasst?
     
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    Yes, and it is also confirmed by our own eyes...two leads...only supports the 5100.

    But you have them already...why are you asking?
     
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    RePaRaQu One name. One legend.

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    Correct, that's also what I detect.
    But in the early state it wasn't clear if the built in antenna leads will be changed.
    I tested a sample model and it was deliverd with the Intel Wifi 5300.
     
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    Right, the 5300 will still "work" but not at the 5300 rated speed or range without the 3rd lead.
     
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    driftair Newbie

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    Perhaps I should create a new thread, but I hope you will accept this here.

    Have you any recommendations for a sturdy laptop that meets the following;

    Good for gaming,
    13.1 or 14.1 WUXGA widescreen,
    P or T series Core 2 DUO CPU of 2.4ghz or faster, ~VPRO preferred,
    4GB ddr3 ram,
    1,066MHz FSB or faster,
    A good NVIDIA graphics card, something like the 8800?
    WiFi,
    DVD RW +CD,
    120gb 7200 hard drive,
    MS Vista OS
    MS Office ~ optional

    Ideally for $1500.00 or less
    I don't ask for much do I? !!! LOL

    P.S. I submit this anticipating that such a system is or will be available within a year or two, and possibly for as little as $1000.00
     
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    I am not aware of any 13.3" or 14.1" laptop that would have:
    1. vPro AND a good discrete (e.g. nVIDIA) video card...vPro will only have integrated video
    2. Even without vPro it is hard to find this size laptop with a "good" for gaming discrete video card...you have to move up to a 15.4" for that. Even if you find one that does have a discrete video card, it won't be much, if any, better than the new Intel X4500 integrated video.
    3. DDR3/1066MHz System Memory
    4. With a good video card (i.e. 9600M GT w/512MB or better), and all the rest of what you specify you will probably be spending more than $1,500, unless you go for DDR2/800MHz memory. Don't think that DDR3/1066MHz memory, that is CL7, will give you any significantly better performance than DDR2/800MHz memory that is CL4 or CL5 because it won't.

    Go to a 15.4", without vPro, without DDR3/1066 memory and you can get the rest of what you want.
     
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    driftair Newbie

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    Thank you Paladin44,

    I have been under the impression that DDR3 would begin at the fastest speeds DDR2 was capable of putting out. That I thought would translate into greater speed and efficiency. P.S. Isn't the 800mhz, 1066mhz and the 1333mhz representing the CPU or motherboard Bus speed?

    Is the X4500 actually as good or better than an nVIDEA 8800?
    And is the reason a 15.4" would be recommended because a system that large is currently required to house a better graphics card?
     
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    Memory difference, particularly because of the slower timing (CL7) of the DDR3/1066MHz, will be insignificant.

    No, the X4500 would not be better than an 8800M GT or GTX for example, but where would you find that in a 13.3" or 14.1" laptop?

    Yes, you will need to go to a 15.4" to get a 9600M GT w/512MB or better. Any video card lower than that will not give you significantly better performance than the X4500.
     
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    RePaRaQu One name. One legend.

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    Yes we have them, but it wasn't clear if the 2 antenna support was only with the sample model and would be changed later to support the 3 antenna connection in the final model.
     
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    Yes, we hoped for that too, but it was not to be.
     
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    KillerNotebooks Notebook Consultant

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    The statement is technically incorrect, and to avoid confusion (in case you are building a system yourself because the chassis is available as a barebone system) I will clarify.

    The Intel 5300 card range and speed is only effected by the third antenna when the third antenna is actually needed. The wireless card can be thought of much like your FM radio. Your radio can pick up radio stations that are local without the antenna up without a problem. They do not come in any better while within range if the antenna is up. An FM radio receives only in the case of the wireless card, it can also transmit signals.

    The poster asked the question
    The answer given did not answer the question
    To answer your question, yes, the RAM is stated in fsb speeds. I believe these are the two RAM modules in DDR3 you are questioning:
    DDR3-1066 Memory clock: 133 MHz Cycle time: 7.5 ns I/O Bus clock: 533 MHz Data transfers per second: 1066 Million Module name: PC3-8500 Peak transfer rate: 8533 MB/s

    DDR3-1333 Memory clock: 166 MHz Cycle time: 6 ns I/O Bus clock: 667 MHz Data transfers per second: 1333 Million Module name: PC3-10600 Peak transfer rate: 10667 MB/s

    The answer given is also technically incorrect if you are talking about overall speed increases of RAM. CAS latency is not the issue it was back in the DDR memory days.

    CAS latency is the number of clock cycles (time) that elapses between the memory controller telling the memory module to access a particular column in the current row, and the data from that column being read from the module's output pins. But CAS latency only specifies the delay between the request and the first bit. The clock speed specifies the latency between bits. Thus, when reading bursts of data, a higher clock speed can be faster in practice, even with a worse CAS latency.

    The time is also measured in nanoseconds. A nanosecond is one billionth second. So if Bill Gates comes along and has a 1 billion dollar limit on his debit card, he is not going to think about spending a dollar fifty on an ice cream cone, or worry about stopping to pick up a gooey ice cream covered dollar off the street. It is absolutely insignificant. Think of the billion dollars sitting in his bank account earning interest. Even though he has spent the 1.50 (CAS latency), he has earned significantly more than that in interest on the money he has in his account (greater clock speed). The ice cream cone (CAS Latency) net cost him nothing.

    Of course higher bandwidth 1333 RAM has numerically higher CAS latencies, but that is the result of the clock cycles by which they are measured are shorter; the actual time interval is generally equal to or shorter.

    This may help conceptualization:
    [​IMG]
    Below you will see two different types of RAM: 400 Mhz CL3 and 800 Mhz CL5. The lines represent the actual time it takes to do the "Time to first bit" and "Time to 5 bits" (shorter is better), you will see that the time to address the data that is more than 1 bit (like real-word applications) is contrary to what is being represented.
    [​IMG]
     
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    ^--^
    :confused: What are you referring to?

    It makes more sense if you quote the post that you are referring to.
     
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    Got mine today. I'll post some benchmarks later tonight after I get Archlinux and XP installed.
     
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    good to hear i love hearing about laptops that i have ordered :D
     
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    Where can you find the xp drivers?
     
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    If you bought the PowerPro P 12:15 the drivers disk is in your accessories box.