The beast is here!

Hi guys. I got my OCZ whitebook and installing the best I have. Here is the setup:

Whitebook with WUXGA+
qx9300 (qs)
4gb 800mhz (or 1333mhz depending on the performance increase)
64gb ssd for OS and 320gb 7200rpm for storage
crossfire (ofcourse)
blu-ray drive
5300 n-wifi
Dynex brand thermal paste (I think this thing from BB is better than AS5)
bla bla bla...

Now the big question is, before I put it for sale, what am I supposed to do with it? Funny thing, I have no games and will not buying any but can definitly run benchmarks. Any of you who owns one of these, please help me with drivers and overclocking to get the best out of it.

Thank you

 

Wait, you are selling it?
If so, then I don't think you should OC anything, because many buyers don't look well upon an overclocked machine, especially upon buying...

Just my $0.02...

 

You just got it and planning to sell it as second hand?

I would buy it for 1500$, shipping on you to Canada, good?

 

I am not going to do anything with it. I will just set it up with the right drivers and software and do stress testing to make sure that there are no issues with the installation. I will be asking $3500 on ebay since the cost of the same exact system at KN is more than $4K. Since I am selling a gaming computer ofcourse I will overclock it since who ever buys it will be overclocking it too. So don't be silly.

 

Woah - how'd you get it so cheap?? what's your profit margin if you sell it at $3500? Nice machine btw!

 

he bought barebones and built it

 

ROFLMAO. Wow... I don't think so.

If people are going to be spending that kind of money they do NOT want a non-professional messing with overclocking (or at least a majority don't).

So IMO I'm not being silly at all, I'm simply being realistic.

 

Check out how KN, RK selling their computers. This is not a word processing machine. This is a competitive race car. Think it like buing a shelby instead of amustang. They are actually the same car with a little bit of modification like a new engine, and bunch of performance parts. At least I am not drilling holes under the computer. I am just trying to do what it can without harming the system. Not everybody is advanced as you are but they still want to brag about their laptop.

 

The Ocz is more like a Civic with big turbos. Fast in a straight line but everywhere else the Ferrari (aka Sager 9262) beats it

 

Puuulease!!! Masta, do me a fav.. install some 160's version drivers. If ya cant manage it, then edit the .inf and force install. Then lemme know how your yugo runs.

 

Well said. NP9262 is a decent computer BUT, has 3-4 pounds more weight, a desktop CPU causing recharging every 45 minutes, and costs %20-30 more for similar performance.

 

u re drunk.

 

Well, definitely not on a track (go to 2:30ish), so maybe in looks and price? BTW, that civic had no turbos.

 

Altough civic is fast on that video, I am not happy with matching the whitebook with it. LEts say ferrari vs porche since we are not talking about a $500 computer.

 

That Ferrari driver is a complete looser, plus who knows how much that civic was modified. Fortunatelly for the real world we have some real proof that OCZ is only good in a straight line, which is 3dmark06. In a first corner (aka minesweeper) and then a bunch of corners to the finish (aka Crysis and every other video game) the Sager shows its power and good team support for the tires (aka drivers).

 

With a little undervolting done to the processor, my NP9262's battery life extends from 1 and half hours to 2 hours and 15 minutes peak (Light Work) and a little more while idle.

Actually, I feel kinda sad (I do not mean this as an insult, but as a "rant" against ATI) for the OCZ Whitebook owners, ATI does not show the proper support they should to their mobile line of video cards by only releasing drivers every quarter... and those drivers do not quite squeeze out the performance of the cards, hopefully this will change in the future, and not until that the 4XXX lines of mobile graphics cards by ATI are released, only time will tell if the in-game performance we have seen from the ATI HD 3870's is the peak of their performance, or if we haven't seen their true potential yet.

~Aeris. ❤

 

Hopefully things would be better when the ATi Mobility 48xx becomes available for upgrade. In terms of desktop platforms, this is the first time I've seen ATi serious about optimizations and driver updates (offering two Far Cry 2 hotfixes in 1 week? lol). Hopefully this seriousness can also be applied to its mobile sector now that ATi is starting to come back in the high end mobile market and now that notebooks are outselling desktop computers.

Also, it would be nice if there was a 9800M GX2 upgrade for the OCZ Whitebook. Similar to how the 3870 x2 was designed with "Crossfire" being via the cable (why else would these cards work on an Alienware M9750 with an SLi chipset?!?), they could probably pull off a similar design with the mobile variant of the GX2.

 

What is the price difference between 9800gtx sli and the cross fire 3870? Around $1000? I am pretty sure if we get 5 of the whitebook owners write a check for that amount, we get a developer to write a pretty good driver. Beter yet, we can give that money to an attorney to sue ATI and we will get lifetime support.

 

ummm...you mean the gt's. people are getting confused here. the gt is beating it as well and it cost about the same price...

not to mention a qx9300 or x9100 oem chip is 1000 bucks! while ours is 375 or 150. so it balances out. your gpu will get nowhere with a low grade cpu.

 

Actually similary priced OCz comes to $3500 whereas Sager comes to $4000. so why would I pay 87.5% price of the Sager and get only 20% of its performance!?? I d rather pay that $500 more and get 80% more performance.

 

Hmm didnt know the 9800M GT SLI is faster than 3870 CF. Thought the 3870 x2 has all 320 shaders while the 9800M is a cut down of the 8800GT. 8800GT SLI on a desktop is about the same as the 3870 CF so I thought the 3870 CF will be faster in a notebook, guess I assumed wrong.

 

there are about 15 threads with benchmarks going on...pick one and you'll have your answer. we already know they won the 3dmark06 @1280x1024 res

but everything else...sorry, not a reality just yet.....they are still compiling benchmarks to surpass the gt. and the gtx is ahead of the gt's.


now the 4800 might prove to be the card to out right beat the 9800m gtx's...(maybe)

 

It actually has 320 Theoretical Shaders, not Real, because ATI's Shader Cores can handle 5 tasks at once, so divide the advertised number of shaders by 5, and you get the real count of shaders the card has, sorta like Intel's Hyperthreading:

320 / 5 = 64. The reason why the ATI's Mobility Radeon HD 3870's are cheaper than the 9800m GTX's by a large margin. The way ATI's Cards' Shader Cores handle the processing might also be the reason for the actual performance we see in the 3870's, the lower count of real shader cores, because, just like Hyperthreading, if the shader cores are having a big load of work, they might not be able to handle the 5 tasks at once that ATI advertises, just a theory anyway.

Nvidia's Shader Cores can only handle 1 task at once.

 

If this computer can perform better on the benchmarks, why wouldn't it perform better in real life games with the right drivers? And on 3dmark06, as far as I know E has the record, not you John.

 

D901c will beat the whitebook all around.

3DMark Vantage will show the Victor!

 

even with better drivers, 3d06 wouldn't necessarily translate to performance in EVERY game, namely the newer ones. The 3870 perform similarly to older games introduced around 2006-07, but the 9800Ms do better in newer games, especially ones with the TWIMTBP title. Interesting note about that last point: did you know that Fallout 3 (a TWIMTBP title) has a framecap only for ATi cards? this is pointed out here.

Vantage would better access performance on newer games, even though Vantage's GPU calculation is also susceptible to influence by the CPU. A good example of how differenct 3d06 vs Vantage is would be taking the scores of the 4850 and the GTX 280 in respect to other GPUS (for instance, the 9800 GTX and the 3870 x2). In 3d06, the 4850 scores a bit less than the 9800 GTX and the GT280 scores a bit less than the desktop ATi 3870 x2. On Vantage however, the 4850 scores higher than the 9800 GTX and the GTX 280 scores much higher than the 3870 x2.

 

Wait and see brothers, wait and see. This system is going to be a legend. I just need to get my ram in and then the show will begin. I'll try to get custom drivers.

 

Sadly, the ATI Radeon HD 3870's have the record on 3DMark 06, but any Nvidia card above the 8700m GT (meaning: 8800m GTS -> 9800m GTX) beats the ATI Radeon HD 3870's at 3DMark Vantage by a kinda large margin on GPU Score, in this case, 3DMark Vantage is more optimized for new-generation cards than 3DMark 06 is, as I specified in another card, only time may tell if we have seen everything the ATI Radeon HD 3870's have to show us.

 

Keep posts non-argumentative and on-topic, thank you.

 

Cause those are very demading games. Who would benchmark their GTX or 3870 in HL2 and get like 300fps!?? its pointless. U benchmark the most demanding games to see how they perform there. U buy your laptop based on that cause u know that at other games they will do even better. Also those are the two games with build-in benchmarking tool so its pretty easy to test the performance here.

PS1
Also by "Poor" I meant poor not "cheap".

PS2
Also I can make fun of the whitebook even if it got 0.00001% less than the 9262 - thats how this world works. But lets be honest here, there is not getting away that those 3870 arent performing even close enough to the 9800gt's to be a real threat to them.

 

im thinking it's because the 3870 is a dx9 card rather than being a full out dx10 card. or maybe that 10.1 is really that big of a difference.
3dmark06 is dx9 while vantage is dx10....(speculation of course)

edit: side note
the current legit no physx desktop card record holder for vantage mark is an 4870x2 x2 x3 x4. i cant really tell if he is running more than 2 cards. and is sitting at 31k. but hen the nvidia cards jump out of range from there. so maybe this will transfer down o the mobile 4800 cards....only time will tell.

 

Well, that isn't the case 100% of the time, not even 70%; just because it may do well in demanding games doesn't mean that it'll do even better in other games. Quick example: the 9800 GTX+ and the GTX 260 core 216 both outperform their direct competition, the ATi 4850 and 4870, in Crysis and in Far Cry 2. However, games such as Race Driver Grid and Devil May Cry 4 see the ATi cards beating out the 9800 and the 260.

This is why I'm asking to compare other games as well. It's great that the nVidia cards are stronger in those games; hell, I wish OCZ would offer a 9800M GX2 as an option for the whitebook for those who favor nVidia GPUs. But there are other games out there too and not everyone plays Crysis or Far Cry 2, though good titles I bet.

And I have no idea what warranted my other post to be deleted...

 

Right but who cares if either ATI or nvidia beats each other in UT3 or DMC4 at 130fps cause u re not gonna notice the difference. The main focus are the games that it is even hard to get it to 60fps as thats the smooth playable experience that the game creators have planned. U can alwyas be one of those guys who pays $3500 for a PC and only plays WOW but u re minority. Most of people who those systems want to know how they perform in the most demanding games.

 

Ok.. Im sticking with my original comment of DRIVERS ARE HOLDING IT BACK. I benchmark the FC2 runs, in both DX9 and DX10.. and depending on my CCC settings, whether AI is enabled or disabled.. whether i select advanced, or default.. mipmap settings.. All they do is either destroy the run, or make it barely acceptable.

When the Long Ranch run first begins, I can have my settings so as to get 35-45 FPS until it comes outside the weapons depot. Then drops to 10-11 FPS.. then by changing a setting in CCC its exactly opposite, only pulling 9-11 FPS in depot shack, and jumping to 25-35 FPS outside.. and as the benchmark runs you can watch the crossfire link fail and re-initiate just by watching the FPS be so sporadic. It fluctuates 10-15 FPS in a quarter of a second and then when it almost stabilizes it either drops to a ridiculous low FPS or it bumps up several more.. There's also similar complaints about desktop versions in Crossfire doing the same thing until their drivers were released for the cards. Now, imagine if I'm pulling 30-40 FPS in the shack(working in crossfire) and then 30 FPS outside the shack(in crossfire) while in 1920.1200 Ultra High DX10. This card would be providing much better performance. There is obviously a major driver issue..because I can't get the best of both worlds! It's one or the other. There is a big problem here, and it is only a matter of time until it is resolved.

So, for all you folks who keep saying this and that about the system.. do as I previously requested and force install some drivers not meant for your video card and then let's compare.

 

Thats not the point though is it. Its like me complaining about how my GTX core doesnt run at 100000Mhz, if it did then I would get million FPS, but it doesnt. ATI sucks at drivers, everyone knows that so why would everyone with a better system have reduce their driver support so the match could be fair!? if anything ATI should bring up the new drivers but we all know how that is going to end up

 

yes, please do..because it's way to many people claiming driver issues and that goes for nivia as well as ati. hell...over clocking my system should net 3k or an 18k over clock..not a mear 800 point increase. should i chalk that up to drivers, sli or not the right over clock?

bottom line... as E sugested. take some other drivers and get to modding. everyone can be sitting around all day long complaining about drivers every day. someone is going to have to either find the answer or make one happen. and since modding drivers really is only modding the inf file (nvidia) not sure about ati. that's about as far as your going to get with modding drivers.

so we either work together to find the answers we need or we sit and complain all day about drivers not working....well..scratch that...im not going to be complaining about drivers..*LOL* but i will constantly look for a better solution....

 

Amen brother

 

John ... what side are u on, brotha!?

 

20 wins to 1 loss...what side do you think im on...lol
edit: check out these low temps...

 

I see your point, and I would agree, but on the other side of the same token, wouldn't it be pointless then to compare the Crysis results at ultra high seeing as both systems would yield unplayable framerates (below 30fps)?

 

I think ATi pretty much abandoned support for the 3xxx series now that the 4xxx series is a success. Hopefully this success will translate to its mobile variants.

The driver theory does hold water seeing as what Mark from K|N was able to do with Crysis at high settings on this chassis; the original drivers for the evaluation version of the whitebook were getting around 25fps @ 1024x768 (high settings) on that game. The drivers he worked on how gets around 30fps @ 1920x1200 (high settings). I remember when the HD 2900xT was a bust when it first came out and that forced ATi to work hard on the drivers to perform at least in accordance to its price range.

 

Also just to clear one thing. Lets say 9800gt sli is better than 3870 xfire. Why can't it get a better score on 3dmark06? Is it bad drivers for nvidia? Ati designed these gpus just to run 3dmark and can not even run cs other than that because those engineers and programmers don't want it to? It is obvious that there is some kind of a limitation on the xfire due to something other than the hardware. Again, why can't 9800gt or gtx sli can not beat xfire 3870?

 

that's just it...it was only one person pushing very high crysis while the rest of us kept talking about crysis high and at 1920x1200/1680x1050. we know it's not playable at very high settings. but it is playable at high settings for the np9262. at both resolutions.

also, allot is kept back because the np9262 is not cpu over clock able where the ocz is. and considering these cpus can over clock to 4 ghz...not sure how close these test would be then.....

 

But, have you checked E's 3DMark Vantage score yet?:



Now, compare it against mine (8800m GTX SLi @ Stock Speeds / Core 2 Quad Q9450):



They are pretty much equal, except for the CPU Score, the 9800m GTX is stronger than the 8800m GTX, but when it comes down to gaming performance, the ATI Radeon HD 3870 lacks, just like in Far Cry 2:

E-Wrecked's ATI Radeon HD 3870's Crossfire @ Stock Speeds / X9100 @ 3.53 GHz, Far Cry 2 @ 1920x1200 / Ultra High Everything / DX10:



Johnksss' Nvidia GeForce 9800m GTX's SLi @ Stock / QX9650 @ 3.0 GHz, Far Cry 2 @ 1920x1200 / Ultra High Everything / DX10:



E got an average of 28.29 FPS at the whole benchmark, while Johnksss got 56.35 FPS at the whole benchmark, 3DMark Vantage is more optimized than 3DMark 06 for next-gen cards, also, the Far Cry 2 Benchmark Results is the proof of real-in-game performance for both cards, but that is up to you.

 

Alitunay, Just let it be its a waste of breath man. Just nod your head and agree. The 9262 owners are plaguing our forum and they want our scores and our drivers to be able to compete with a system that has been out for years when most poeple are just getting thiers shipped on a brand new notebook.

Anyways, no arguing from me. My response to you all your right.

 

ali, you would have done better to use rk computers score of 16.2. that score of E's is a flubbed one. i got this up to 16.1 and i posted it already...but of course that was a flubbed score. technically i can grab high sm2.0 and 3.0 scores, with a lower cpu score when running 3dmark06, but when running vantage...it makes no difference... your gpu score is going to be what it is.

now intel has a gpu score of 10.3 qx9300 over clocked to 3.5 ghz (vantage) so they must know something that the rest of the world doesn't....


mhooper...actually i was thinking the same thing but in reverse.

but you guys are right...i think im done posting over here...you all have a nice time with your new machines.

 

to Aeris: What are your scores at farcry?

 

Sorry if my post seemed like arguing or flaming, as I have kept saying in every post where I compare the performance of the OCZ Whitebook against other laptops, only time may tell if the ATI Radeon HD 3870's will get a boost on performance with new drivers that are optimized for the cards (seeing as how the ATI Radeon HD 3870's on Crossfire are recognized as a single ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2, bad move on ATI's part), once again, I am sorry, and I do not mean to plague the forum, I just post as in how things are going on right now, but I never say that the OCZ Whitebook won't change for the better, since I cannot really know what is ATI going to do next.

I post here because I like the OCZ Whitebook, and I am interested at watching it become more mature and how it turns out, being a fan of "Open Source", I cannot say anything but that I am glad for a DIY Laptop that you can design with your own hardware and parts and however you want, hopefully in the future, all of the laptops will be as modular and configurable as desktops are right now.

 

Yes me and you had a firendly competition going at one point but I guess that cant transpire as it becomes a falme war. I have had both computers in my possesion.

So I know the choice was right for ME.

Well anways I got some new drivers will post up some screenshots etc I think you guys might be surpirced =) Just like the 16k score I had forever jsut wautung to post =)

 

I am just asking a simple question. How can 3870 xfire can score better than 9800gtx sli in 3dmark06 non-flubbed vs non-flubbed?