Tongfang GK5NR-O, GK7NP-R (Ryzen 4000 mobile)

More attractive than the DELL G5SE that's now listed in Australia, U.S., Canada sites for order with battery size fixed @ 51whr,
https://www.dell.com/en-au/shop/del...15-5505-laptop/gn5ad401au?view=configurations
https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/gam...-se-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-5505-laptop
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/del...ion-gaming-laptop/spd/g-series-15-5505-laptop
not upgradable, no matter how high the system configuration you chosen... ...

However, if 51whr is the lowest mark among all other manufacturers' Ryzen based builds, then TongFang's offering of 62whr battery is considerably... moderate.

 

Speaking of the Dell G5 SE: https://hothardware.com/reviews/dell-g5-15-se-review?page=1 68Wh battery available. Looks like a very good laptop, 5600M looks good.

 

However... that 68whr battery was with the review sample. Not the commercially "Available to Order" option.

 

The screen maybe slightly better but the weight is way higher (5.5 pounds). And I don't like the design (single hinge and color choices) - looks cheap.

 

Looking good! https://www.notebookcheck.net/Elukt...zen-7-4800H-Impresses-Yet-Again.466470.0.html
Eluktronics always seems to be pushing performance way beyond competition

 

Wish it a had adaptive sync.

 

Any idea of the duration of the 65w battery option on the 17inch version?

 

Dear all, I have few questions for Eluktronics that I didn't get a reply yet and maybe you know the answers, since they may be general for US based companies. I'm in Italy and would like to order from Eluktronics, but I have a budget limit of 1300 euro, so I have to carefully choose which upgrades I can include.

I can set my location to US or Italy on the Eluktronics website through a box and this changes the total item price from dollars to euro. Nonetheless, the component price of each upgrade in the RP-15 webpage remains displayed in dollars. How should I understand this? Why the total price in euro is almost exactly as the US dollar one? Is the actual exchange rate taken into account?
Are the displayed prices with or without VAT? If VAT is included, how much is it and can it be ordered VAT free? Are there additional customs costs to consider?

Thank you all in advance for your insight.

 

Eluktroniks Matrix RP laptops are the same as Germany's XMG Core laptops in Europe.
https://bestware.com/en/xmg-core
Europe VAT inclusive. Customizable as well.

 

Thank you, I know about XMG, but they are more expensive for the same configuration (as long as there are no custom's fees to pay that I'm not considering).

 

You have to pay customs on top of your price ~20% it is added on shipment page. I got same issue full spec £2261 but then tax and shipment finishing at £2861 so now make me wonder is it worth it or just pay extra 300 and get new razer Pro 2080 maxq 17.3 300 hz

 

I've ordered my P775TM (see specs below) through https://laptopparts4less.frl/

They are a small company, but their service is good and they're among the cheapest Clevo and Tongfang resellers. They're based in the Netherlands but ship to all Europe.

 

Thank you, I didn't know about them and indeed they offer these laptops now. Unfortunately, for the moment the screen is the 15,6 inch 120 Hz 45% NTSC one, which is the same of Asus TUF506 and is pretty poor. If it was the 144 Hz one, it would be much better

 

I'd go for the 17inch version: https://laptopparts4less.frl/17.3inch-laptop-samenstellen/TongFang-GK7NPFR-laptop-samenstellen

Better screen and larger battery option

 

For a 17inch make, with dGPU... 62whr battery ain'y gonna last an average "out without powerbrick" 2hrs use...

 

But with Optimus?

 

To date, the 17inch makes with Nvidia dGPU that released into the markets worldwide are XMG Matrix R17 as well as the Asus TUF Gaming FA706. Reviews made on those doesn't seems to mention the use of Nvidia's Optimus program and it's benefits of extending battery usage effectiveness...

 

That’s because it goes without saying.

Laptops with a MUX or their display is connected directly to the dGPU 100% of the time often have this information within a review.

 

Eluktronik's Matrix RP15* with 4800H+RTX2060+46whr combo...

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Elukt...zen-7-4800H-Impresses-Yet-Again.466470.0.html
(*Schenker XMG Core 15 in Europe- https://bestware.com/en/xmg-core-15-amd.html)

I wonder what wattage does the RTX2060 draws that manage this Ryzen+Nvidia RTX combo to score 3.5hrs approximate use in non gaming mode?​

 

Wonder if freesync could work with a CRU-mod?

 

Wondering if adaptive sync is supported (like in the TUF A15/A17)

 

would a corsair MP600 fit in this chasis with the heatsink? I know it won't reach its potential but I have one lying around.

 

TongFang wants to get rid of the 46whr systems that they pushed it to S.E.Asian resellers now!
https://www.aftershockpc.com/welcome/Productinner/apex-15r-lite

New companies buying TongFang Ryzen sets gets the smaller batteries first...duh...

Elutroniks gets another younger brothers in America,

same built as RP15
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/page/Tracer-IV-R-Slim-IDO/


same built as RP17
https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/page/Tracer-IV-R-Xtreme-IDR/​

 

I'm holding out for one of these with the next-gen nvidia/amd cards. Hope the nosecam is gone for that model and freesync makes its appearance.

 

I am interested in purchasing the 15,6 inch Tongfang GK5NR-O. Is here any person who already owns it?
If so, I have a question about fan noise:
Are the fans only noisy during gaming and heavy load (which is quite normal for gaming laptops, so no problems here for me) or also in idle/websurfing/office and watching youtube, etc., or are they sometimes completely silent in Office mod?
Would be splendid hearing from anyone about this concern!

 

Yeah Man!!! Make it all RED!!! RX5600m is fine at the moment, RX5700m should be good...Next yr?

 

I’m interested in the 50w 5600m with HBM Apple gets to use on their MBP. Bummer that can’t get pushed over to Windows.

Give me that with a 4800h inside a Mech G3, Matrix RP or whatever really.

 

Well... it's an "exclusive deal" with Apple, isn't it considerable as one? Like Ryzen4K-HS with Asus, except that not comes with a limited period?

 

Hello all,

I own of these bad boys now, the GK5NR0O.

While I am generally happy with the device, I am not really happy with the Turbo behaviour of the Ryzen 7 4800H.
It is either 60°C and pretty low on noise with the disabled turbo (via registry edit) or it is 95°C and boost all the way nonstop with loud fans. There seems to be no middle ground.

I also tried the different PPC states in the BIOS (I have a device from Fortune, which has a pretty limited BIOS) - but they seem to change absolutely nothing.

The windows slider layered on top of the energy profil (I can only select balanced anyway) is set to the middle ground "better performance".

Also the different turbo modes in the Windows settings such as "High - efficient" etc. seem to have no effect and also keep the turbo disabled.

I am not really scared of 95°C but the noise level seems unnecessary. Currently, disabled Turbo is enough for my gaming needs, but then it is locked to 2,9GHz instead of 4,3GHz max.

Has anyone found any tweaks to achieve "middle ground"? Currently it feels like the whole operation regarding the CPU is simply digital, either its not turbo-boosting or it is boosting to the max...

 

Tried Ryzen controller? You can set tdp, temp-limit etc, that should give you middle ground.

 

Thank you! I will give this a try, somehow I missed it entirely... but it is also my first Laptop in a decade.

Edit: Well, I tried it now, but sadly, it seems to have no effect at all, no matter the setting. At least for this specific model from Fortune. It just does what it did before, at least according to HWInfo64. The temperature limit I set is well exceeded for long durations...

Edit2: Does anyone know if it save to use a BIOS from a different vendor? I would like to try the BIOS from Schenker to see if there are more options since the one from PCSpecialist that I have is pretty locked down.

 

So this was just stocked by Aftershock in Australia (the 17" version only which suits me as that's what I'm in the market for). The issue is that it only has the original 48WHr battery. How much difference is there going to be day-to-day between that and the 62WHr one. My current laptop (a Clevo NH70) has the same capacity and I only get about 80-90min on battery which I'm finding really annoying. But apparently that's an issue with my machine so I shouldn't really use that as a guide, I suppose. Is there any way to buy the larger battery and install it myself? I've changed the battery before on my previous laptop and didn't really have an issue.

Also, how is this thing for fingerprints? My current laptop just soaks them up the moment I touch it which can make it look really disgusting but I think that's more because it's plastic than anything. I'm not really sure what this laptop's made out of. I was thinking of trying to find a grey or metal laptop to hide them but there don't really seem to be many of them about.

The other thing I'm wondering is whether I should get this at all or wait for a few more months to see what's announced. I seem to recall there being speculation of new laptops being announced around September which is when Computex was being rescheduled for but now that's off, I don't know if there's going to be anything new around the corner.

 

I've noticed that Aftershock in Singapore now lists the higher capacity for the Apex 15R Lite (only for the Ryzen 7, Ryzen 5 still has the smaller battery). I don't know at what point they made that transition. They don't have the 17R Lite on there anymore, though, so hopefully they are addressing that. The Australian site still only has the 17R Lite listed and with the original smaller battery. Here's hoping that the larger battery model will make its way out here in time or that more high-end Ryzen options get announced in the meantime.

 

The call is up to TongFang side. Not the buyer side. So i suspect that only if the Ryzen5 based builds are sold off, the subsequent batch will be packed with the 63whr bigger batt.

CyberPower PC based in California, their TRACER 5 R15/17 are also stuck at 46whr configuration.
Should MetaBox Australia places order for these 2 builds, i believe their first initial batch will be packed with the small batts as well.

 

Does Metabox do any Tongfang stuff? I was under the impression they were all Clevo.

 

I think those slim gaming laptops with INTEL CPUs in MetaBox listings are built by TongFang?
Those thick beefy builds by Clevo?

 

The Metabox Prime-S is based on the Clevo PC50/PC70 chassis.

 

I found out today that there is a new tool for controlling the power and temperature limits on AMD Renoir powered laptops. Check it out here: https://github.com/sbski/Renoir-Mobile-Tuning

 

A bit offtopic, but I am still curious. Aren't AMD going to merge the 5000 series architecture for both mobile and desktop? It feels like we could not make use of the 4000 mobile chips due to unavailability and they are already pushing the 5000 ones.

 

Were you able to get this (or some other solution like Ryzen Controller) working on the XMG Core 15, on Linux and Windows?

 

Indeed.
Though they're shipping now with a larger battery (65Wh), but that's still not enough imho.
Asus G14/15 or whatever manage to have a 76Wh battery and a lot better battery life.

Well I got my XMG Core 15 AMD 2 weeks ago, but sadly I'll send it back.
It has a few issues, primarily the fan control is retarded
and I have a weird mDP bug, where the whole system doesn't boot up when there is a Display connected to the mDP. The whole system doesn't react to the power button at all. I never encountered something like this before but looks like I'm the only one with this problem.

Regarding the fan control, I'm pretty unhappy bc I'm really disappointed in the custom settings: The minimum is 30% for the fan, which is just too much and too loud, if the system is in idle at around 40°.
So the fan jumps regularly from 0 to 30%, even if just opening a dumb FF window.
That's a lot worse than my 4y old G501VW Asus.
And from a modern laptop with the efficient AMD I expect it to be (completely) quiet with idle&low workload.

Agree, and ideally a 5000 series AMD then ...
(with hopefully Radeon 6000 series)

 

Hi Guys,

Just bought a Tongfang chassis with these specs The Infinity O5 Ryzen 7 RTX 2060 15.6in 120Hz Laptop [888] features an AMD Ryzen 7 4800H processor, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 graphics card, 16GB DDR4 memory, 512GB M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD, 15.6inch FHD IPS display with 120Hz refresh rate.

The Laptop originally came with "Gaming Center U" version 1.0.0.44, Since I have reformatted it and blown away the partitions I am unable to retrieve this version of software to control the lighting and performance modes.

I notice over in the http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/tongfang-gk5cn5z-gk5cn6z-gk5cq7z-gk5cp0z.815943/ forum that they have the "Gaming Center" utilities but after trying pretty much all of them, they fail to function at all, I presume as they are designed to use intel CPU's.

Could someone point me in the direction of the "Gaming Center U" utility to download?

Cheers,
Dan.

 

You should be able to download it on the Schenker/XMG driver page for this laptop https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-core-15-amd-xco15m20/

 

Amazing it works, thankyou!!

 

I spent a day reversing/staring at open source codes, and have finally gotten full control over the fan and keyboard lighting. I now have a simple python script that I use to play with fan/lighting. Uninstalled the uniwill control center and no looking back.

After disabling the center and other windows bloatware (and limiting the CPU to 25W), I idle at 5C above ambient with the fans pegged at their lowest level. Just scraped past 12k on Cinebench R23 after using Ryzen-Mobile-Tuning to lift the power/temperature limits for the fun of it, with the temps peaking at 65C above ambient in the long run

Few improvements that I plan to look into:
1.) Integrating Ryzen-Mobile-Tuning (which I use to control performance and power draw) with this to give me a unified controller
2.) Fan curve service: based on the code I studied, I think fan curves are implemented (by Uniwill control center or tuxedo) by constantly polling for temperature and adjusting speed accordingly. It doesn't appear that you can directly write the curve to the EC, so I would probably have to do something similar
3.) UI (although folding this into RMT would work too)

 

This sounds awesome !
I'd be really interested in more details, esp. what is the lowest setting for the fans ? Can you set them somewhere unter 30% ?

(While I sent my unit back, having a working and usable open source tool would be awesome, and I may consider buying that model again, or use the tool on the next gen, that should be soon out and sounds very promising.)

 

The fan is controlled by writing a value from 0 to 200 to the EC RAM. Anything below 60 (30% of 200) the fans don't power up. My guess is that this directly controls the voltage you are sending to the fans (hence I did not try anything above 200 even though theoretically I can write up to 255), and 30% is the minimum voltage to power the fans (and hence their minimum speed).

I usually leave the fans at flat 60 where they are pretty noiseless (you eventually tune it out if they arent ramping up and down from 0)

 

Hmm, ok ... then I guess it looks like they indeed did all that they could.
I find it just a bit annoying that the support didn't tell me, that it was just a hardware limitation and they couldn't do anything. Instead they told to try to flash EC again, yada yada ...

The thing is, I have no clue about the internals of my Asus, but the minimum fan speed is 2100 rpm, and it is indeed barely noticeable, I'm used to it and I can live with it.
Before my undervolting back then it was usually constantly at 2500rpm which was noticeable and annoying (for idle - around the same noise like that 15" xmg did ...)
But after undervolting it was fine.

Regarding the 200 setting, sounds to me like it's just a byte controlling the PWM duty cycle.
The laptop fans are usually 4pin anyway, and I guess it should be safe to go over 200 but the fans are already noisy enough at 200 xD)
You could briefly try 205 and 210 and see if there is a proportional increase in the fan RPM, then you'll know ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_fan_control#Pulse-width_modulation

 

Turns out you can set it below 60, I just had to put my ear right up to the vent to hear it at 50, lol. Cant hear it below 45 or so. Setting above 200 is ignored (fan goes straight to 0)

Doing some quick benching in linux (raised back of laptop, stress -c 4, limit to 25W) to see how effective various speeds are. Interim observation is that even running them at 30 (15%) is 48C above ambient vs 64+C on 0 fan.

Having had more time, final results with ambient temps of 21C on 4 core stress test and limited to 25W.

70 (35%) 54C (+33)
60 (30%) 56C (+35)
50 (25%) 60C (+39)
40 (20%) 64C (+43)
30 (15%) 69C (+48)
20 (10%) 79C (+58)
10 (5%) stopped testing after exceeding 88C

At 50 the fans are basically inaudible unless in a very quiet room or if you press your ear right up to the vent, so I'll be setting my fans there for office use

 

This sounds totally awesome.
As this also means, that the bloated tool could be replaced by something more lightweight.

So can you definitely confirm, the fans are spinning ? Is there some minimal airflow ?

This sounds EXACTLY like I wanted it to be.
At least that means I could buy that model again, or I wait for the next one, as it will probably work in a similar fashion ...