Tongfang Models 2021

There's also that Chinese review (Mechrevo), look at the OP, it's the last vid.

What I need is a comparison between

• 3070 and 3080 in the Prometheus
• Prometheus 3070 and Max-17 3070

 

Have people here seen the post on Reddit about the Max-17 with a 3080 and 5900HX? One person has already received one of them, but the benchmark scores are strangely low
Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLapt..._ram/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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He made the run it of the box at 115 watts, it's in line with other results at that level.

 

us more

You lose 10 watts with the Max, same with the 3070.

Something I noticed was the hinge: I've had two center hinges one was a Toshiba that broke twice, extremely common problem on that laptop and they eventually lost a class action. The other was a Clevo which has no issue at all. It did give me pause when considering the Prometheus.

I've yet to see any proof that the Prometheus can move more air, it should and they claim it does, but...

Enough reviews to make a reasoned choice would help. These are the only things that stand out to me, don't care about the aesthetics.

 

I thought the Max and Prometheus 3070 were both 125w?

 

They are, you're 10 down with the 3070 either way. What most people miss is with the MAX with 3080 also tops out at 140; there is no 150 with the Max. You want 150 you have to move to the Prometheus. There is no chance I'd get the 3080 with the MAX, IMO the smart money is taking the value option there and going with the 70.

 

Yes, but the question is how much those 10w matter in terms of real gameplay benchmarks, how much relevant fps you win by going 3080 or choosing the 'value' 3070; and by choosing the Prometheus chassis over the Max. In other words: we need more benchmarks.

 

As usual value is relative but I'm not intending to denigrate it when I say that, it's just a way to get a handle on a group of offerings. I define the value or smart money play and then compare it to the stupid money to try and decide which way I want to go, I had been thinking about the 3070 myself mostly for the reason you state; I'm thinking the gap will be small.

To me I don't see advantage with the MAX, it's not going to carry noticably better and the look is completely irrelevant to me. I'd go for the (alleged) better cooling every time which means the Prometheus irregardless of the GPU.

But yeah, if love to see more benchmarks. The reddit has quite a few getting theirs today so we should know something more soon.

 

A number shipped at the end of the week and a few have them in hand, should be joined by quite a few as the new week starts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronic...ived_my_prometheus_xvii_i7_edition_yesterday/

 

That Timespy score seems very low (9932) for an rtx 3070, even if he didn't max his settings. Could be due to the 10875H though, which will score equally to the Ryzen in actual games.

This btw also answers my question whether the Tongfang CC variants are interchangeable (yes), but not yet what the specific differences are between XMG, Eluktronics, and standard CCs.

 

Hard to say, should be fleshed out soon. Another tidbit there is that the control centers seem to be interchangeable. Haven't looked into that yet but they make it sound like it opens up some options.

Edit... I was going to ask what the CC was you were referring to but I figured it out, you were talking about the control center. Bit of a facepalm moment there considering my first paragraph lol

Over on the XMG reddit their control center is also not quite up to speed yet and like the Eluk there is supposed to be a new version soon that fixes some of the problems. I'm wondering if that's coming from Tongfang as both brands are also promising an updated BIOS within the next few days. And drivers. And manuals. Could be a coincidence I suppose.

 

Another benchmark of the Prometheus, this time with far higher scores: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronic...hrtx/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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Getting excited now! Probably have a month to wait though so I'm trying to suppress the new toy giddiness.

Gotta try and remember where I saw a picture of the internals; another itch I want to scratch is running RAID 0 with solid state drives which would be a first for me. At the time I saw the picture I was looking at the cooling and didn't pay attention but I wanna say they were 2280s. Need to figure that out so I can get some SSD action going on. It will give me something to look at while I'm not using the lappie I haven't yet received.

 

Here are some pics of the internals: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronic...hich/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

 

Right on Bright! Your the man. Unless you're a woman, then you're the woman!

 

Not at all professional but a number of runs with various benchmarks are made as well as some other commentary. That MUX switch really made a difference...

 

You lose freesync though

 

True. I've been gsync long enough I can't remember what it's like without; going to have to play that one by ear.

 

I also read that Optimus is detrimental to high fps/refresh gaming but actually benefits high resolution/'low' fps gaming.

 

Yeah, you lose frame rate so twitchers are/may want to skip it while frame tearing is more annoying at lower rates. Not much to do but fiddle with it and pick your poison. In my case I'm not a competitive gamer and an not greatly bothered by lower frames or frame tearing for that matter; my first video card peaked at 320X200 and 20 per was good at the time. I'll think I'll find a way to survive.

 

Yeah I remember when my Voodoo 1 upgrade made me realise I was used to verrry low fps...

 

3dfx, those were good days: New cards coming out regularly from multiple outfits. Every upgrade felt huge. So different from the incremental updates we get now.

 

Apparently in the intel version with 3070 you can remove the DB and run 140w gpu and 45w cpu at all times.

Proof :

 

I thought you could do that with any of them, gonna have to investigate...

 

Perhaps, havent checked, but tongfang afaik is the only odm that allows you to turn that garbage off completly

 

I like their style, I was very surprised to see under-volting options in the control panel as an example. Sounds like the current BIOS and control center are both outdated and supposed to be updated soon. I noticed they did get the drivers up now but not the manuals, they also said those would be up before the week is out.

Going to have to be patient, I read them being hundreds of lappies behind and based on the pictures they post it's a small shop. That's unfortunate because response from early buyers has been very positive and I'm getting new toy fever.

 

This.

And obviously you still cannot undervolt mobile Ryzen (which might be its only disadvantage opposed to the 10875)

 

Anyone has comparisons vs the Clevo X170KM-G with a 3080 by chance?

 

I haven't seen any reviews of the X170KM-G yet, unfortunately. I expect it to perform a little better in games than the GE76 thanks to its desktop processor, but it will be close as they have the same mobile 3080. The Intel-based GE76 with the 3080 performs a little better than the Ryzen-based XMG Neo with the 3070 so I expect a Prometheus or XMG Neo with 3080 performing close to the GE76 and X170KM-G in most GPU-dependent games...

 

The professor is telling me there will not be a 200 watt card this year, 165 will be it. That would mean the Clevo and other offerings at 165 are going to hold the high ground for the near future. I think it will pull ahead in HD with the desktop cpu but be very similar in 4k where it will be GPU bound.

 

Also, Clevo is yet to offer the QHD screen.

 

Imho 4k on a 17inch screen is money out of the window.

 

Yeah, a lot of apples and oranges this year. Like I said, if the 76 had QHD I would have bought it instead. Or if the Legion had a 17" I would have went that way. Or... You get the idea. I think the Prometheus is the best I can do given my preference, it's not the choice I would have made if I had more options. It might have been though if they gave me 165.

Now that I've researched RAID O I'm cooling off on the idea. It would be the cheapest way to get 2 gigs in a package that will flood PCI-e 3.0 but I could do the same by grabbing a 2 gig that hits at 3500 like the 970 EVO plus and could then use the 991 as a storage drive. Right now I'm at 1.6 gigs and it's enough without me having to scrimp but that number is always going up. Decisions, decisions...

 

We don't have the power to pull it yet, it will be more compelling when that changes.

 

If I would be a betting man, I would expect that around the 5000 series from Nvidia. (unless AMD drops a nuke during the next cycles)

 

That's why QHD is better than UHD for 17 inch... not in the least because current mobile gpus can't do 4K well (cough Cyberpunk)

 

The extra space on the desktop with QHD when doing actual work is handy to have and even with my pathetic old eyes I can comfortably run it native on a 17 inch screen. Considering we now have legit QHD gaming power it makes it an easy choice until 4k becomes viable. I've left HD for dead, I'm not a competitive gamer or anything else that would recommend it. To me it's yesterday's resolution. I've got 2k on my current laptop and while I was questioning the purchase when I made it back in the 1080gtx days I immediately liked it in use. The lack now is a hard deal breaker for me.

 

Wow, you can disable dynamic boost and give the extra tgp? Did not see that with any other manufacturers.
I wonder if this works with amd cpu+3080 combo or only Intel + 3070 ?

 

Infinity W5 / Tongfang GM5ZG7W (5800h + 3070) (NEO/Mech) With CC 3.1.22.0 has 150w TGP range with Dynamic Boost disabled (notably above the 3070s 140w max)
GPU overclock is available
CPU overclock/undervolt is not available

The 150w range does not always seem to stick if CC is swapped to office or game mode (assuming turbo mode profile is used for 150w), I think the 150w/increase in power with DB disabled is just a software display bug vs it actually having any affect:
Unigine superposition 1080p extreme + prime95 16T, fan boost running at all times
@ "150w" - 49.91fps , (CPU set to 80w, sitting at 60w draw so boost shouldn't apply), Max GPU 140w
@ "135w" + 15w boost - 50.13fps , (CPU set to 80w, sitting at 60w draw so boost shouldn't apply), Max GPU 140w
@ "135w" + 15w boost, cpu limited @ 35w - 50.28fps, Max GPU 140w
Configurable TDP off, boost off, prime95 off - 46.94fps, Max GPU 115w
It does appear as though the full 140w range can be used irrespective of CPU load though! (I'll also say its the loudest laptop I've ever heard, including my old thicboy clevo p150hm)

 

Does anyone know what is the model name of this Tongfang laptop ? https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/valeon-17/

Is there any information if dynamic boost can be disabled here too with the 3080 so that the 3080 could be set at 150W ?

And more importantly , is there any info if Freesync works with the built in panel if Optimus is enabled (vega gpu handling the screen)? If yes, then that is the vrr range of this panel ? 48-165 hz or worse and only 60-165 hz ?

1 important thing that I hope Tongfang will add: the possibility to control LCD Overdrive. After so many bad experiences I would rather buy a laptop where the user can turn on or off lcd overdrive then to buy a laptop where it is factory enabled and a lot of games showing overshoot/corona effect. Asking someone who already bought it to run UFO test to see if it enabled or not is also an option, however having the option is the safest.

 

Tongfang GM7ZG7M aka Eluktronics Prometheus XVII, I would think most anything that applies to it would apply to that one.

 

Looks like its a TongFang GM7ZG8M

 

It has freesync when Optimus is activated. Don't know about the vrr range though.

 

Thank you guys !
Does anyone know someone who owns this laptop already ? Or maybe a review ?
Would be nice to hear some feedback about it and to test if if Tongfang factory enabled lcd overdrive or not . I had a Clevo x170sm-g which has lcd overdrive factory enabled which made it unusable for me because there was corona effect in most games I tried. It seems the KM does not have this issues however after seeing this Tongfang and the possibility to disable dynamic boost, I started to consider this as well. Expesially since the Tongfang is about 650 USD cheaper than the clevo x170km where I live.

 

I've seen a post by Entropytwo on the Clevo X170 KM-G forums saying that dynamic boost can be deactivated on the Tongfang and he got permanent 140w going. (incl screenshot)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...2m-owners-lounge.835639/page-28#post-11089948

I wonder how would it compare to a KM-G in timespy.

@Entropytwo could you please do a Timespy run for us if possible?

Much appreciated!

 

Hello, it's not my laptop but timespy shows 10574!

 

Seems like a normal 3070. I don't expect really higher scores, what I would see is that cpu sensitive games might run smoother on some parts because the gpu is not pulling power from the cpu.

 

Yup, no overclock or any other tuning done.

 

Right now I'd say reddit is probably where you'll see the most information...

https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronics/

You may also want to scope the video I posted a page or two back, that fellow ran a fair number of benchmarks.

 

Max 17 benches and temps with 5900HX and 3080: https://www.reddit.com/r/eluktronic...arks/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share