CF-19FHG83AM spec. please?

Panasonic still hasn't fixed the configurator so please can anyone tell me the specs/options & history of these CF-19's that are flooding ebay?
Ebay US seller "laptopenterprise" recommendations?
Any UK members know for sure if import duty & vat is usually levied on used laptops from the US?
Thanks!

 

CF-19 Tablet - ToughWiki

There is one good source for manually looking it up.

 

Hmm... its a bit of a minefield!
If it's over £18 for a commercial transaction or £40 for a gift then its VAT time at 20%. This is levied on the total amount including shipping believe it or not.
I also understand that the first £140 or so is exempt from import duty and the amount varies depending on what the commodity is.
If you have to pay any of these taxes/duties then the PO also rapes you for a fee to collect on behalf of Customs.
Might be a bit out as I only looked at this recently.
So that cheap item might not work out to be such a good deal after all, besides the other issues of returns or compensation if undervalued on the documentation.
It's frustrating to see how much cheaper things are in the US compared with the UK!

 

Hi ADOR, thanks for that!
Thanks MrRe, I didn't express my question clearly though
I've bought lots of other stuff from outside the EU and UK Customs has sometimes collected what's been due and sometimes it hasn't - so I was curious to know whether other people would report similar inconsistencies with used laptops.
On your other comments: do the multinationals still call us "Treasure Island" I wonder?

 

Well then, it does look like its a bit of a lottery.
Might depend on who it originates from. More likely to get scrutinised from a company than perhaps a private individual. Unfortunately, you are not going to be able to sneak a Toughbook in!
I have noticed quite a lot of retailers stating that they are not responsible for taxes/duty when sending abroad which sort of implies problems.
Of course if its within the limits its not a problem. In theory they can open any package up to inspect it.

Well my theory is we pay in £ what the Yanks pay in $ for the same thing even if its from Europe!

 

Not sure what you are paying for this but I do know that prices are very high overseas for Toughbooks and parts. I sell to 2 deals overseas and from what they have told me its like 2 1/2 times over USA prices....like CF-28's going for $700.00 + . Even after paying all your fee's its gotta be still cheaper than buying in the UK.

CF-19FHG83AM

F - MK2
H - 10.4" TS
G - 80GB HD, 1GB RAM, dual RF
8 - BT, HD lock
3 - EVDO RevA Sprint (Upper: WWAN, Lower: GPS)
A - Vista COA, XP downgrade
M - North America

I was just checking out this seller and a few members on here have bought from this seller and so far everyone has been happy with there CF-19 MK2. You will not find that kind of price in UK...nope

 

Been there several times & the answer is yes! regardless of it being whole units or parts.

Almost right, the seller is NOT required to itemise the shipping cost on the shipping documentation, so the VAT is levied on the value of goods, which should be the price payed less the cost of shipping.

As a ball park figure, cost of shipping plus VAT plus Royal Mail or Parcel Force exicse duty collection fee, means that Sterling = Dollars!! If your shipping is via UPS, check their Brokerage fee, Big Style Shafting that YOU pay!

It's often cheaper than buying in the U.K. there a people who buy the first thing they see regardless, there are people who go for the cheapest deal regardless, there are people who are careful shoppers & people who are selective shoppers.

I'm both careful & selective, it doesn't mean I've never been shafted because I have. But when I do get shafted the seller never gets a second chance to have another go. So who loose's out, me or BOZO the clown?

Look at the U.K. prices, it say's different things to different people. To me it's saying, I'm looking to earn a fast buck with as little hassle as possible, so up truds a clown that buys the first thing they see & encourages the get rich quick scam.

There's more than one type of clown that makes the world go round, there's the "I've done my Market Research type" who inflate their prices & offer overseas shipping at extortionate rates in the belief that their prices are still cheaper than what you can get elsewhere. e.g. it costs $13.95 for an USPS Small Flat Rate Box, adding extra for the inconvenience of the shipping documentation, YES it's justified, adding $100.00 extra, well here's your answer; SHOVE IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE!!

Just to prove the world's not all bad, there are the type of sellers who take the view that if your offering the right goods at the right price people will come back for more, which is the type of seller the careful & selective are naturally drawn too. They are often not the first type of seller that you meet so the next time someone say's your reputation proceedes you, some have to ask why?

o.g.

 

orange george.... very well said :yes:

 

It's very confusing especially as imports are treated differently between EU and non EU countries.
Here is an paragraph from the HMRC site:

Import VAT rate
The percentage charged is the same VAT rate that applies to similar goods that are sold in the UK.

The Import VAT percentage rate is applied to the total value of the goods. In the case of goods brought in this is the sterling equivalent of the price paid abroad, as shown on the receipt. In the case of goods posted from outside the EU, it is the amount on the Customs Declaration, which includes the price paid for the goods, the cost of transport, postage and packing, insurance and any duty that may be payable.

It was a while back but when I bought something from The US, I had to insist on the cheapest method of shipping because I had read somewhere that it was levied on the total amount.

It also looks like its the Custom duty would be applicable over £135 but no Import duty would be applied.

The short answer is that you won't know whats going to happen until the knock at the door! Who knows you might be pleasantly surprised or you may have to run round the house trying to scrape together the money to get you grubby mits on something you have already paid for!

 

And here is an example from DHL's site:

What is the value for VAT?
The value for VAT is the declared value of the goods plus the transport costs to the country of destination plus the customs duty.

Example of Duty calculation
Goods = 2 special edition CD sets
Value of goods £80 + Transport to the UK £35

Total value for Duty £115 x 3.5% Duty = Total Duty payable £4.02

Example of VAT calculation
Value of goods £80 + Transport to the UK £35 + Duty charges £4.02

Total value for VAT £119.02 x 20% = Total VAT payable £23.80

Therefore the total import Duty and VAT charges payable on import of these goods would be £27.82.

 

Wrong Information, I made reference to HMRC when I should have said DHL. :yes:


o.g. << wrong information in the right thread?? or is it the wrong thread with the right information??>>

 

The current thresholds are, 18.00, 40.00 & 135.00, so your close.

Be aware that as of 1-11-2011 the Import VAT threshold reduces to 15.00.

There are numerous inconsistencies with some of the items i've purchased with regards to the regulations set forth by HMRC & what you actually pay.

The only plausible explanation I can offer is, In the case of USPS shipping, they use small, medium & large flat rate boxes. The U.S. Customs Declaration completed by the seller does NOT include shipping costs, so if the value of goods is less than the UK Import VAT rate, they exclude the value of shipping.

In the event of you exceeding the Import VAT threshold as stated in the Customs Declaration Total Value, they would then include the standard rate box cost as published by USPS, which is NOT necessarily what you have paid for shipping.

With regards to the Customs Duty, if the value of duty payable is equal to or less than 9.00 Sterling, the charge is "waived".

That's confusing, I've not double checked the commodity value rate, but on cost alone there should be no duty payable & in a case of where the CD's are published by a bonafide educational establishment, my understanding is the Import VAT is zero rated.

You will always be advised to check & double check the small print on any shipper you or the seller uses. As I said above, I discounted DHL sometime ago over the small print on a shipping label, when I check the UPS terms of engagement there was a Brokerage fee amounting to 25% of the total value of the Customs Declaration.

So yes, Royal Mail or Parcel Force will get their slice of cake, but on most occasions you can accurately predict what the worst case scenario is by using the HMRC guide lines.

o.g. << I've never encouraged false details>>

 

Laptops are zero rated for import duty so you will be liable for just Vat (not sure just is the right word at 20%) on top of that you will have to pay either the £8 or £14 royal mail handling/collection fee.

So you are looking at somewhere between £490-£500 to import one of these from the USA.

 

To answer the OP's question:

These are ATT models... Origonally had ATT "stuff" in them... also had a special ATT logo on the back (where the normal "dogbone" "Toughbook" logo is), which makes the unit faster and more rugged

MK2/Touch

Surprisingly I will buy these and resell them because they are actually in GOOD condition unlike the garbage CF-29BLAHBLAH50BM models

Carry on...