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    CF-30 The seller lied!

    Discussion in 'Panasonic' started by capt.dogfish, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Wow! This just arrived at my door.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270258465829&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017
    The seller lied, he can't have ever used this thing! I have been buying, and sometimes selling, Toughbooks for about six years and this is the first time I've ever seen one in it's original packing. There was even a white foam sheet between the keyboard and the display and the whole thing was in a white foam protector. Turned the sucker on, 7.3 hours remaining on the battery! The display, non-touch, is so bright I had to turn it down a few clicks under strong overhead lighting! Now I need a little advice. On the same truck was my new 7200rpm 200gb Hitachi hard drive. Any tricks to changing it out? Next, the DVD/CD drive is a little weird looking in the face plate area. Has anyone hacked in a DVD burner? This is also my first Toughbook with a warranty (22 months) and I don't want to do a Modly on it! The Devil made me do this with $160 in eBay coupons which expired today.
     
  2. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Let's get this straight...he lied because it is in too good of a condition?
     
  3. Hahutzy

    Hahutzy Notebook Deity

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    "Panasonic Toughbook CF-30 with Accessories in BRAND NEW Condition!!"

    What are you talking about?
     
  4. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Read the post. I clearly state that it was in absolutely new condition. We screw around a little bit on the Toughbook forum, this is kind of an inside joke on our fearless moderator. He'll understand, it's A JOKE!
    Cap
    If you care, check the feedback I left for the guy.
     
  5. inspectorgene

    inspectorgene Notebook Consultant

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    The Cap is just excited.

    Not often that guys that don't work for some Government agency get to actually fondle a Toughbook that has not been previously abused in some way. Kind of like a out-of-body experience.

    Gotta love it!
     
  6. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Nah, I get the joke. Its just...well...if you're gonna be lied to, that's the way to do it.
     
  7. Modly

    Modly Warranty Voider

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    That is pretty good! I had a funny job interview today actually, and I'm not sure if I screwed up by opening my mouth or not... The guy said that the company issues all the techs a Toughbook for the field. I told him I've got one in my car right now with GPS, and two more at home.

    He said "We prefer the toughbooks because they are much harder to break, though we try to ensure that the techs use them as gently as possible".

    That is about the time I should have shut up... but I mentioned that I threw my first one like a frisbee, stomped on it, etc, and finally cracked my screen.

    :D
     
  8. Iceman304

    Iceman304 Notebook Consultant

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    And you did this because?
     
  9. ZeroFlight

    ZeroFlight Notebook Evangelist

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    Awesome catch! You're gonna love it! To answer your questions, changing out the hard drive is pretty much the same as a 29 inside the caddy. Just pull the 5 screws on the outside, slip off the black connector covering, open the caddy, and pull out the guts in one piece. Find where the cable comes out from inside the plastic and lift up there - the clear plastic just folds over and is held by super-sticky tape. There's usually a strip of tape on the blank end of the drive holding it in to that plastic box and sometimes another strip on the face of the drive holding it to the inside as well but you can get past those pretty easy. The rest is cake and putting it back together is just in reverse.

    You'll find the dvd/cd drive is a little strange in general. Part of it is that you pull the drive itself out instead of using a lever to get it started, like in the 28 & 29. Off-hand I don't know any burner hacks so can't help you there. Also, PM sent.
     
  10. Modly

    Modly Warranty Voider

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    I was drunk and wanted to see how tough it really was. It took two hours to finally do any actual damage.
     
  11. ToughNut

    ToughNut Notebook Evangelist

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    Two hours??!! Modly, you weren't drunk enough!

    Hey Cap, that's a beau! Nice score. Pretty orgasmic heh, to fondle one in such pristine condition. No doubt that's gonna be your personal toy for a while. Enjoy!!
     
  12. tough-2-go

    tough-2-go Notebook Deity

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    Interesting that there is no Windows Xp COA on the unit or did the guy photoshop it out? :cool:
     
  13. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    The XP COA is still in the CD case with the restore disk. The guy (he owns a small IT company) even activated XP using my name!
    Cap
     
  14. Alex

    Alex Super Moderator

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    Cap,

    Good deal.

    Is the dvd drive in the caddy a lot different from the drive in a 28 or 29?
    I'm asking as I don't have a cf-30, but I have dvd writer drives in some of my 29S, and they work fine.

    Alex
     
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    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Alex,
    Yes, it has a plunger kind of lock on the right side to insert and remove the drive. Think of the plungers in PCMCIA slots. It's like that, but built into the drive caddy(sled?). The door on the drive is oddly shaped around the plunger so a standard drive can't fit in there. Waiting on TB to pull something out of his hat.
    Cap
     
  16. Alex

    Alex Super Moderator

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    Well I don’t have any idea’s Cap.

    I would love to check-out a cf-30 .
    BUT
    I’m not buying another new toughbook
    For a while

    We were on a roll for a while, with caddy’s compatible between the 27,28 and 29.

    Check in the device manager at look up what brand /model # the dvd/cdrw drive is.
    That might give me a clue
    Maybe a picture, with the drive drawer open?

    Alex
     
  17. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Alex,
    The issue is, on any DVD drive I have ever seen, the door is an integral part of the drive. If this picture will open, you will see that the notch for the plunger latch is part of the door. I suspect these are really CF-30 specific and I don't see any way to change out the drive.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270258465829&indexURL=7&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
    The drive sells for anywhere from $260 up and they are scarce so I don't want to screw it up. It really isn't important, I've got a really good external burner, but you know, you just want a little something more.
    Cap
     
  18. canuckcam

    canuckcam Notebook Evangelist

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    That part should be dremel-able since it's just a plastic flap. It won't be pretty but it'll work. I have a silver-bezel Sony DVD writer in my CF-29 because the grey Toughbook bezel doesn't fit properly. :(
     
  19. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    You may be right. I'll get into it over the weekend. I won't need to wreck the OEM door as I won't be using it if one of the NEC ones will fit. You don't seem to really need the little handle in the middle as the plunger latch is a good enough handle to remove the drive.
    Cap
     
  20. tough-2-go

    tough-2-go Notebook Deity

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    You can buy OEM drives with the notch already on the faceplate they really are quite common.
     
  21. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    Not bad a $3500 computer for 2 grand alright!
     
  22. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Rob,
    $1840 with the eBay coupons!
    Cap
     
  23. Zippy-Man

    Zippy-Man Notebook Evangelist

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    Wow you really got a steal on that congratulations :) wish i had the extra money to buy a cf-30. I like the look of the cf-29 a little better but man the cf-30 is a nice machine they really made some good changes to it having more stuff built into it.


    -James
     
  24. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    i ended up getting my CF-30 for about $1800 if i remember correctly with the touchscreen and the WWAN ready pocket... it had like 70 hours on it when I got it, so it was virtually new (also had all the original packaging as well like u described (plastic in between the keyboard and screen), and the DVD-R/RW drive ($450 from Panasonic) was also included, which I assume he paid Panasonic to get!... Got thousands of hours now lol...
     
  25. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Zippy,
    You should see the screen brightness! One thing I don't think I've seen on any of the other posts is the boot options. It might, and I emphasize might, have affected my decision had I known that you could set a CF-30 to boot off virtually any drive, USB thumb, USB CD, USB DVD, etc. in the bios. I might have bought one with a touch screen (just to play with) and WLAN but no DVD/CD for a little more if I had known that. That said, this is my first post on the new box. Spent most of the weekend loading it up on the new Hitachi 200gb 7200rpm drive and conning a bunch of Indians into letting me move my apps. Trust me when I say, except for weight, I don't think I will ever again feel the need for another Dell for work or business. This is a no compromise machine that gives up nothing in performance, capacity, or anything else I care about to be "tough". In short, as promised, I love it.
    Cap
     
  26. Cleaner05

    Cleaner05 Notebook Guru

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    Hey man, so you're the guy who bought my Toughbook. I was looking around and saw the ebay listing, and I said to myself, wow, $1995 for a near new CF-30? Sounded to good to be true so I hesitated. When I decided to take the plunge, it was gone almost as fast as it appeared. He who hesitates.......Good luck with it.
     
  27. capt.dogfish

    capt.dogfish The Curmudgeon

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    Cleaner,
    "He who hesitates is lost". Sorry about that, I had to jump 'cause the fleaBay coupons were going to expire! Keep your eyes open, there will be another, probably cheaper. One thing I can guarantee, they are every bit as nice as the other guys say.
    Cap
     
  28. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    I was sadly mistaken on what I payed lol... I pulled up the invoice from my old company that I wrote myself and it was $2775 + tax = $2962... almost 3 grand I payed for mine + the $450 sprint internal card + the $400 DVD burner + the $100 keyboard makes my machine worth $3950... so we'll just say that I carry around a $4000 laptop :D