CF19 Accumulative Operating Time

Hello,

I have just purchased a new CF19 mk3 through second hand. The computer looks great, no scratches no nothing - the seller said that the computer was purchased for a project that never took place and that he wanted to sell it before it lost its value even more.

But, when starting BIOS it says Accumalative Operating Time 2270 Hours.

Is the Accumulative Operating Time always correct? Is there any easy way to double check how long it has been used?

Thanks!

 

2270 hours is not bad at all, that is what we all go by

 

I agree that it isn't bad, but 2270 hours is over 2200 hours more than what the seller said/indicated.

 

Well..."HE" probably did not use it. Technically he wasn't lying..Sounds like Ebayspeak to me...

 

There is a utility on the Hiren BOOT CD called Hard Disk Sentinel (version 1.00.5). If this is the original hard drive, then this utility will confirm how many days and hours the CF19 has been in use. This is the only way that I know of to double check the operating time. Good Luck.
My name is Richard from canadanotebook.

 

That machine isn't hurt at all. My 19 Mk3 has 19690 Hrs on it. The screen is still BRIGHT. Crystal disk info will give you time of your SSD, I think it will work on a hard drive also if you are wanting to look at it.

 

Thanks, it worked.
Hard Disk Sentinel said 95 days and 21 hours.
BIOS - 2270h --> 94,5 days

Seems like the seller didn't tell the whole truth; I have sent a mail to him and will see if I can get some money back.
(In the listing it said "completely new and unused").

 

Well it could be 2 things, the seller did not know that Toughbooks keeps track of the running hours in the bios or he figured you did not know about it.

 

AFAIK, the mk3 has a LED backlight, so theoretically it shouldn't dim over time, as the CCFL do.

HDD's have SMART attributes for a long time, and the operating hours can be a good source of knowing a laptops age, provided that the disk is the original disk that was put on in by the factory.

In this case, as the BIOS and HDD hours match, you can be almost 100% sure that is the truth.
That's over 3 months of accumulated usage, and that is by all means a USED laptop, no matter how pristine it looks.
As this was clearly false advertising, If I were you, I would get as much cash back as possible,
warning the seller that if he doesn't refund an amount up to the current average price of a USED (2000hrs+) CF-19mk3, a ebay dispute
will follow, etc.

Even if the seller didn't knew it was used, it's still his fault, and not yours.

 

Wow, I'd love to have 2200 hours haha. My 19 has almost 28000 more than that. Still working like a champ though!

 

Interesting information, these pages.
I always post the operating hours when selling a ToughBook.
It's right in the bios while booting up.
I just sold a mighty fine MK3
( Toughbook CF 19KDRAG6M MK3 Core 2 Duo SU9300 1 2GHz Gobi 4GB RAM | eBay)
for $565.00 had around 4,030 hours on her...Best regards, Cleve

 

For me, its not really important. the important thing to me when I open the unit and if it has clean inside. The only setback when it got a lot of hrs. on the bios is, its screen. It tends to be dim overtime specially the machine using the CCFL tube. The cf-30 is a pain in the a...to change the ccfl tube.


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i swapped my sony vaio duo 11" with a cf-19 mk6 and checked the accumulative timer and it only clocked for 30hrs in there.. is there a way to reset this timer? maybe the previous owner reset it first hours before handing over to me.. any ideas?

 

No , there is no way to reset it . My bet it is right since the MK6 is one of the newest. You did a good trade.

 

My question is, is the usage meter in bios running when the laptop is in sleep mode and or hibernate mode?

I for one know the hours on my CF30 when I got it and some 3 months later I can't see me actually using it some 3000 hours in this time frame.

Edit: ok more like 2000 hours I just checked.Still seems high.

 

I would think the clock would still be running when in sleep mode and hibernation. Manual for most Toughbooks I have looked at say the unit still uses power when in hibernation. The clock would run until the BIOS got the shut down signal.

 

That is what I was thinking, stands to reason. To Mr tough this could well explain a like new machine with so many hours. Take the seller at his word you have a toughbook with low hours and likely little use. It a great deal.

I did not know the hours on my cf30 when I got it and was pleasantly surprised it was as low as it was. More should list the bios hours on a used toughbook. Other than a few blemishes on the top cover and some dork taking a strong solvent to remove the stickers on the palm rests my cf30 is in great shape.

 

Yes there is a way to change the hours in the BIOS... There is a way to write to the BIOS ID on *some* models. I am not sure if the CF-19 MK6 is one... But there is a way on other models. (Don't ask me how, I don't know. But I DO know there is a way.)

My thoughts are that it is like buying a car. If you go to buy a car that shows 12k miles on the clock and the brake pedal is worn bare.... You have a roll-back situation. The same goes with your Toughbook. Look at the following;

1. Touchpad wear
2. Keyboard wear
3. General overall wear
4. Battery wear

Etc.... But then you need to check if it was used in a port replicator. I have had Toughbooks that have 20K hours on them but the keyboard and touchpad are brand new. They were used with a port replicator and you can tell by the wear of it being placed into and taken out of a dock.

Here's the skinny... Don't worry! To me, hours mean absolutely NOTHING on a Toughbook. If the general wear is good... You are good to go. I have something close to 50k hours on my personal CF-30 I bought brand new. It has just a little touchpad wear but not much else. It has NO scratches and looks BRAND NEW.... Guess what... It still works like brand new.

If you like it... Keep it and use it... And install a SSD to make you love it even more!

 

I have a ublox gps kit, ocz vertex 450 512gb SSD on the way.. Previous owner already upgraded it to 8gb ram.. Next is get an emissive back light keyboard, wwan card that works with 1800/2600 LTE band width (singapore) and the finger print reader and Im a happy camper!

 

So tell me have you checked the prices on the emissive back light keyboard and the finger print reader ? I have and they are not cheap. I have the emissive keyboard and its great. Prices are below


finger print reader - $175.00 new (this is last year price...may have gone up)
emissive keyboard - $500.00 new....$250.00 used (ebay if you are lucky)

 

Just put your CF-30 emissive keyboard into your Shrinky Dink oven and you are all set!

 

Holy crapola...they still make those things......

 

i saw $500 emissive keyboards in ebay.. i cant see myself forking out that much for a keyboard. maybe $250-$280 will be okay. i just would like to ask whether the default keyboard is as water resistant as the emissive keyboard? if it is, i will just stick to my default keyboard for a while..

But i never saw a fingerprint reader kit for $170. can somebody please lead me the way..

 

That's right, you didn't

Will send you a PM when I find the part number for you

 

Where do you live ?

 

Singapore...

 

I will get a price for you tomorrow . PM me if you do not here from me by tomorrow night.

Part # CF-WFP192R

 

Yes please.... Thanks a lot!!

 

Blair is great to deal with!!!

I guess I found a great deal with my emissive keyboard, paid 180 for it (unused second hand) and thought it was bloody expensive.$500?!! I think it is worth it, it's (for me) so much better than the regular keyboard and it's an order of magnitude better than the rubber (although that has it's own uses and specialism).

I have the fingerprint scanner as well in my 19 (thanks to Blair!! ) and it's a dream to use. I have it setup to lock with my left thumb rubbing the wrong way, open with all fingers, start task manager with my right thumb the wrong way and it's really nice. If you want protector suite 2012, just drop me a pm. It might also be on Rob's site!!

OP: About the hours, my 19 mk5 has 6520 hours on it since 14 december 2011 so that's a good 3000 per year. And it's still in almost brand new shape and performing like day one. My last macbook air 11" lasted just 5 months, my previous macbook pro's lasted about 10-15 months each. I guess I'm hard on laptops, but with 3000 hours and dragging them everywhere, that is usually too much for them. IMHO current laptops are safe queens, cupboard kings, desktop warriors and whatnot, but in no way fit for a busy life on the (off)road. So even though your laptop has got 3 months full time work on it, don't worry, if it looks good (no dents, scratches, shiny spots on keys or touch pad) 2250 hours is nothing. That has got left years of (ab)use!