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    Cf-19 Mk3 spec's

    Discussion in 'Panasonic' started by Liteace, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. Liteace

    Liteace Notebook Consultant

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    Thinking of getting a Mk3 real close to buying it, Ive got a Mk1, 2 and now thinking of getting the Mk3, only reason is of the 1000 screen, as most of my work is outside, can someone give me some spec's on it please

    CF-19KHRCXNP

    Thanks
     
  2. Alecgold

    Alecgold Notebook Evangelist

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    I have a mk5 screen and that isn't 1000 nits, it's 500 nits with 6000 when reflected by the sun.
    The mk5 should have had some improvements compared to previous screens (mk3 and mk4), but AFAIK the difference isn't that big, so my experience might be valuable for you as well when looking for a mk3 screen:

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/panasonic/677334-review-user-experience-cf-19-mk5.html#post8710022

    Or see the bold part:
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    The display.
    Some people have asked about this display, as is supposed to be better than anything they build before. The info/marketing leaflet says the following about it:
    10.1" sunlight-viewable transflective plus XGA Active Matrix (TFT) colour LCD with circular polarizer (up to 500cd/m² transmissive and 6.500cd/m² reflective
    brightness, depending on light conditions); Concealed Mode, Dual Touch (resistive Touchscreen & Digitizer).

    My Macbook Air is said to be around 350 nits and the 19 is clearly brighter than that. This is just the 500 nits that is generated by the leds.
    The other 6000 nits in the 6500 nits statement come from the sun. When the sun shines on a regular display, it is dispersed in the display. The 19’s display uses this light and reflects it back, in effect using the sun to make the image much, much brighter. However, there is a small catch when you think you don’t need backlight any longer when using the display outside. First of all there are losses when the light falls in and get reflected out. They are not as huge when compared with regular displays, but there still are some. So when the backlight is put in its lowest setting, the surrounding light is a little more than the light that reflects from the display. It’s not as mirror like as the regular displays and you can read them without backlight, but to be comfortable and use it for prolonged times, you still need the backlight to make the screen brighter than its surroundings and thus easily readable. So far I haven’t seen any display that performs better in sunlight.

    Another good use of the display is in near dark and pitch dark. The info leaflet says it will emit just one nit of light. That is a comfortable light level when typing in a really dark environment. It might be a lot when your eyes are fully night adapted, but it’s one of the lowest I’ve seen in any laptop. Just one little nagging thing: you can’t easily turn off the backlight completely as you can with most other laptops. To do this you need to engage the concealed mode, but I use concealed mode to make the laptop use the minimal amount of energy when I walk away but don’t want to turn it off. It’s a bit odd as every laptop I know can have the backlight turned off by just pressing the lower-button.

    The panel inside is a XGA Active Matrix (TFT) with a resolution of 1024 x 768 pixels and is 10.1” large The format is an old fashion 4:3. In these days that is a tiny screen with just a few pixels. And it gets worse. Black’s aren’t as black as an iPad/iPhone 4 and nowhere as black as a OLED screen and other colors are a bit faded as well. Off center viewing isn’t really good either. So at first it looks a lot like Panasonic tried to make some profit on the panel. And I don’t know if they do, but there can also be a reason found behind this madness at first sight. The letters that are displayed are decent sized and good readable. The intended user group might look at drawings, but they tend to be technical and often just contain lines, letters and numbers. So accurate color representation wasn’t a big design issue for Panasonic. The 4:3 format is really nice for reading in portrait mode and works quite well for me when typing texts. Working with this screen has made me realize how often I’m squinting to look at the tiny, tiny letters on my iPad and even with the fabulous sharpness of the iPad display it is tiresome. But when reading a lot on 19’s display, it will get tiresome as well as the letters aren’t completely sharp. But overall it’s a good display to use for reading text, drawings and that kind of work. It’s also a good screen for creating simple text content. But most likely you want a nice 24”screen to make complex spreadsheets, documents with multiple graphs and text-boxes.
    If you use software like ERP’s or that kind of company software stuff, you are usually good. Most programs and websites assume you have a minimum display of 1024x768. So you can watch most sites and software without missing bits on the side or bottom.
    But where the true value of this screen becomes clear is when working outside. I’ve had times when I was working outside on my Macbook and I wasn’t able to see anything at all. I even had times when I was in an office with particular bad lighting (not enough indoor lighting and too much sun/glare) where I was only just able to see something on a regular display. Not with the CF-19. The display is very bright to start with, but also uses the light from the sun to stay well readable.....................
     
  3. BaRRmaley

    BaRRmaley Notebook Deity

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    MK3 is 1000 nits by backlight. Really bright. Minimum 2x real improvement over MK1, MK2.
     
  4. Liteace

    Liteace Notebook Consultant

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    There is no poss chance is there that my factory black Mk1 is fitted with a different screen is there ??
     
  5. Alecgold

    Alecgold Notebook Evangelist

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    And the mk5 is fitted with only 500 nits?
     
  6. Liteace

    Liteace Notebook Consultant

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    Thing is I have my Mk1 & also a Mk2, the all black Mk1 looks like its got a different screen or screen protector to the Mk2, the Mk1 is a lot darker when its off, Ive just took them both outside booted them up opened IE and the Mk1 screen is a lot more visible than the Mk2
     
  7. BaRRmaley

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    Maybe. It was not planned to paint it black. Drunk japan engineers. :)
    Seriously, it's very easy to distinguish those screens.
    I haven't seen it myself. But why not? 500 nits and super 6000 nits technology :)
     
  8. Liteace

    Liteace Notebook Consultant

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    Ive got nothing to compare, I only know the Mk1 is a little better
     
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    Sorry, my phone doesn't like to work in evenings with that amount of light from the screen of mk3 :))
    Both MK3 (left) and MK2 (right) are on 100% brightness.
    MK2 screen, when off, is visibly gray matte and MK3 is black and maybe 80% matte :)
     

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  10. Liteace

    Liteace Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks, can you not put them on the same screen, say desktop and then do another pic ?

    Thanks
     
  11. toughasnails

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    This is very close to the one you are looking at and as the MK1 screen is brighter than the MK2...they should be the same unless you are having the same problem as me and the back light is going on my MK2...check out the picture...MK2 is on the left and MK1 is on the right View attachment 81085
     
  12. mushyouri

    mushyouri Newbie

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    Hello,

    I have use CF-M34 (700 mhz, 933 Mhz and 1 Ghz), CF-18 Mk2 and CF-19 Mk1. Now i have a CF-19 Mk3. You have a really difference with Cf-19 Mk1.
    The CF-19 MK3 is the first than i can really use outdoor with sun. The LED screen of MK3 is really differente than the LCD Screen of MK1 : best colors, more clear...
    The MK3 have a SDHC slot and not a SD slot. Now the APN use SDHC card and with the MK1, i must have a reader Card usb.
    The MK3 have drivers for win7.
    The MK3 have TPM security (than you can use with Bitlocker of Win7 pro), Concealed mode (i don't success to use it with my MK3)

    In France, the cost of a MK3 is 2x the cost of MK1 (500 - 600 € for MK1, more 1000 € for a MK3) with a AZERTY Keyboard. For a QVERTY keybord, the price is less than 200 €.

    Do you now where i can find a rubber backliht keybord AZERTY for my MK3. Panasonic sold it only with a new CF-19 as option.