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    EMP-8602s 600mw Worth the money?

    Discussion in 'Panasonic' started by 8man1320, Jul 3, 2008.

  1. 8man1320

    8man1320 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Do you have one? Have you used one? How's the range.
    $64.00 shipped is the cheapest I can find one.

    I want more range. I am using 3054mp 100mw.
    External antenna 5dbi.

    Thinking about the 8602S. Opinions??
     
  2. marconi

    marconi Notebook Consultant

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    I think it is, Though I'm still experimenting with different options.
    Below is some of my experience with them. Hope its not too boring...

    First off, I have to say this is a great forum with many good experienced folks on board, and altho I have not posted much I have read almost every post in the Panny section.. and I am amazed by the amount of wonderful info can be gleaned here. well done people. I have noticed most with the same interests and love for the toughbook I now feel like I know the regulars here.
    I just hope in the future I can add my 2 cents every now and then and be just as worthy.. :)

    Anyway...
    I have two CF-28's and both have the RIM antenna's as well as an external connection, Both identical in all respects.
    I started off with the WLI-CB-G54HP A/B Buffalo card in a different brand laptop and always had great range and usability mostly while using Netstumbler. I could always see about 10 of my neighbors on the scan.
    When I upgraded to the toughbook series I started out with these same cards but wanted something more permenant as I didnt want anything sticking out the side plus the delicate nature of the MCX connector started to become an issue after many uses. So I went with the EMP-8602 cards as they are quoted to have 600mW output and using the moded 1/2 wave RIM antenna hoping for at least the same performance or better.
    I got a surprize...

    Anyway, Being an RF engineer I have done some comparisons.
    The Buffalo WLI-CB-G54HP PCMCIA card is quoted to have only 100mW as far as I can find out by searching but still an unknown.
    Comparing this Buffalo card against the EMP-8602s+ I have found that the Buffalo had 4x the range using no external connection against the EMP on the tuned RIM antenna. I could now only see 4 of my neighbors and my home system had a lower signal strength.
    Finding this a bit odd I dragged out a spectrum analyzer and found that the Buffalo had 4x the field strength than the EMP from a distance of 20Ft in my test range. Shocked...
    The next test was performed using an 9db Bi-Quad antenna, 6 feet of LMR-200 cable and both laptops and switching between the Buffalo and the EMP card. While this increased the range on both types of cards approx 10x I still noticed a substantial power increase (4x) when going to the Buffalo card from the EMP card. Hmmm...Thats the opposite of what I was expecting.
    It should have been the other way around.

    So, I am starting to wonder about the published specs on the EMP.
    I have four of these EMP-8602+s cards and they all perform the same.
    Later on I plan to measure the actual power between the two when I get some time.
    However, since I do like having the card internal and the A/B/G ability, I am putting up with it for now. I do plan on moding one of the Buffalo cards to use in the hidden slot and see if this trend continues.
    Looks like I may have found something unexpected.

    Also, later I plan to describe the parts changes needed to tune the 2 3/4" antenna to perform as a 1/2 wave antenna. I need to spend more time with the network analyzer and see if the results are repeatable.

    Regards
    Chuck
     
  3. Toughbook

    Toughbook Drop and Give Me 20!

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    I use nothing but these cards (EMP-8602s) and they work VERY well! Though I think the difference between them and their 400mW cousins are so similar the difference is negligible. (But the prices are the same. When I need them I buy them from www.netgate.com for $50 each. I have other suppliers that I use from time to time where I can get them cheaper but they aren't as fast on shipping as Netgate. You should try them. They have a ton of WiFi stuff there.

    Try here....

    http://www.netgate.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_34&products_id=474
     
  4. aaron7

    aaron7 Notebook Consultant

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    I don't even have an antenna hooked up to mine yet and I can see wireless signals and connect to them!
     
  5. marconi

    marconi Notebook Consultant

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    And thats thru the metal case?...Wow thats pretty darn good.!!!