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    I go through Toughbooks like a ... goes through men...

    Discussion in 'Panasonic' started by Rob, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    So my latest thoughts are this:

    I love my H2. However, now that I have my bad to the bone workstation, I ONLY use it for notes. When I'm out and about I have to carry a keyboard and a mouse with me and it's kinda stupid. It's do-able for a 1 or 2 night hotel stay or a weekend trip. However, for quick on the go... it sucks. I just need the keyboard.

    I was thinking about trading out for a nice new CF-19ADUAX1M... Dual touch. That way I can still take my digitized notes (on a little angled stand I already bought), but when I travel I actually have a NORMAL laptop that is small and easy to carry.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. toughasnails

    toughasnails Toughbook Moderator Moderator

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    I would go for the CF-19A . It's just the right size for a 1 or 2 night hotel stay or a weekend trip. Not to big and not to small...maybe even a CF-53, it's really not that much bigger than the CF-19. The girlfriend and I go away every other month to see family and these are the 2 we take. We have a spare battery for each a 2 mojo mice and we gone :thumbsup:
     
  3. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    I thought about a CF-53... But for me, I NEED the digitizer. That's out of the question if it doesn't have that...

    I actually thought about an mk2/3 because it's WAAAAAAAAAAY cheaper and it'll still easily do the remote desktop which I require...

    I can get one of dems on eBay for $200 - $300 tops.

    Decisions decisions...
     
  4. ADOR

    ADOR Evil Mad Scientist

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    If you are still wanting notes and small for trips the 19 is the way to go.
     
  5. Alecgold

    Alecgold Notebook Evangelist

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    hehehe, told you so!

    I travel a lot, day trips, 150miles radius by car. Visit managers, board of directors, interview them, watch their production facility and a lot of them like my CF-19 a lot. But more important, I like my CF-19 a lot. I can read it everywhere (screen brightness) I'm not afraid to bump it into anything or drop it, a bit of water is no problem and I can type at full speed (blind) at the tiny cramped keyboard. It takes time to adapt, but certainly with the backlit chicklet keyboard it's not that difficult.

    I always carry a spare battery, (smaller than a AC adapter) but only need it when working all day on 3G/with high brightness or when I do a large batch of OCR on PDF files. And my second battery never gets depleted. Only thing I miss is a small secondary battery when I switch the battery, now I need to boot it. CPU/GPU are plenty fast, add 4Gb of memory and a SSD and it's fast enough for anything.
     
  6. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    Well yeah.

    I used to have an MK4 with emmisive keyboard... for sure I got used to it! I love that keyboard. But that unit didn't have a dual touch screen
     
  7. Shawn

    Shawn Crackpot Search Ninja and Options Whore

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    That's because you're a Toughbook wh *re. :D
     
  8. Alecgold

    Alecgold Notebook Evangelist

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    I've got the dual touch as well. I think I could do most of the things with the resistive touch, but the wacom is very, very useful for autographing documents and ticking boxes and other small screen tasks. So even though I don't use the wacom that often, it's very useful and indispensible for certain tasks.

    I think I've said before, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have bought a mk5 (new) but bought a used mk4 or perhaps even a mk3 and pimped it with memory and a SSD.
    Why do you want a mk5? (beside that it's always nice to have more powerrrrr :D )
     
  9. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    You know me! I always have to have the latest and greatest!!! I am the Toughbook MASTER! lol

    I can't sell millions of dollars worth of Toughbooks every year and not have the latest and greatest! haha.

    But seriously, I don't need it. That's why I said earlier that an MK1/2/3 will be just fine :)
     
  10. kingstu

    kingstu Notebook Consultant

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    What do you need a resistive touchscreen for? Wouldn't just a digitizer version be adequate? I don't see how with your use case you need a dual-touch when just a wacom version would be sufficient.
     
  11. Alecgold

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    Mweh, a touch is really handy when you want to just want to tap "oke" or "yes". Getting the pen out of the garage and then tapping is much less convenient. When I need to tick lots of small boxes, digitizer is the way to go, but for the incidental tap resisitive is really handy.

    @Rob, I fully understand the need/want/desire for the latest and the greatest :D I've been eyeballing the mk6 a long time and perhaps with Haswell I might buy a mk7 if it gets much better battery life (and the USB 3.0 and perhaps a much higher resolution for the external screen?!?!!!!!)
    But you should be able to use the mk5 for years and years to come. Which you will never do, you'll have a 31 or a 53 to replace the 19 in no time :D
     
  12. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    I don't need a resistive touchscreen.......

    Anything MK3 and later is all dual touch dude.... They combined em together... You can't buy anything MK3 and later with JUST digitizer... it's either touch only or dual touch.....
     
  13. Alecgold

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    hey, didn't know that one. Is that a US option? I could order my mk5 with resistive or digitizer or both.
     
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    azTony Notebook Consultant

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    I just ordered a MK6 and the screen was optional for a dual touch or digitizer. The digitizer was much more expensive.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
     
  15. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    No clue... All I sell is US market so probably I would guess.
     
  16. Alecgold

    Alecgold Notebook Evangelist

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    Where are you from? Did you order it from a dealer/importer?
    Did you get the mk6 in?
     
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    If I am right he is from the good old USA
     
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    Yes I am in the USA located in Arizona
     
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    I will post up the dealers information once I get the unit which looks like it will be on Monday. I did not order the digitizer screen due to the price, I had a budget and was able to stay within it. The MK6 comes with a 3 year warranty from Panasonic.
     
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    Rob -

    Why not get the el-cheapo you're talking about, then a cheap, thin Android tablet (so you're not worried about the money and dropping it) and remote session via Ad-Hoc? There are apps all over Google Play to let you do that; plus, Adobe has a version that runs on Android which does sig cap right on the screen, or use a Jotter app with a capacitive stylus.

    I love my 8" mom8 IPS... plays everything I have on my PC, plus everything I have on Hulu & Netflix. $160 delivered from ployer-tablet.com .


    Just a thought...



    mnem
    *De-Lrrking*
     
  21. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    I got it in on Saturday!

    Bravo! It's practically NEW! The keyboard is shiny, but now I'm looking for an emmisive to put on it anyways lol!

    At any rate, the thing is near new.

    I like the UL1604 screen better! It's almost like a polymer type of harder plastic screen. It's noticeably different and even though it's only 500 nits, it appears to be brighter (Even though I know it isn't). It's just gorgeous! not even a scratch on the screen! I know for a fact that they NEVER used the screen, just the keyboard like crazy!

    I ended up snagging it for $240 :D.

    Feelin good now!
     
  22. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    I am a dealer, a big one at that lol. I get it right from Panasonic :)

    EDIT: I see this wasn't from me initially LOL!

    No biggie :)
     
  23. Alecgold

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    what did you get, mk3?
     
  24. Rob

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    MK2 UL model.
     
  25. Alecgold

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    ow see it now in your sig-line. :rolleyes:
    nice one, going to add a SSD??
     
  26. Rob

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    Whoops LOL! Sig updated and no. I don't like SSD's
     
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    Just curious..WHY?
     
  28. azTony

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    I heard reliability was an issue
     
  29. ADOR

    ADOR Evil Mad Scientist

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    Rob had his SSD fail him at the wrong time previously.
     
  30. toughasnails

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    Not with me, I just picked up another one this morning at newegg...250GB Samsung for $159.99 shipped
     
  31. Rob

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    I went into in another post. I can't find it now and I'm not retyping all that up.

    Yes, they simply are not reliable for the amount of time I'm on the computer.

    Thanks!
     
  32. Alecgold

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    That's a pity, faillures are always a big PITA. I've had so many HDD fail over the past years. I was happy if it lasted longer than a year. Guess taking them everywhere and having them run around 5000 hours a year was all they could handle.
    Had my intel 320 600Gb SSD started to act up six weeks ago. Made an image and an hour after that it was dead. Send it in for repairs, but man does it hurt to go back to a 500Gb HDD :( Those things are SLOW. hehe.
    Bought a second 320 600Gb and had the faulty one replaced under warranty. Took them 4 or 5 weeks to do that. Now using the replaced one to make an image every day if I'm working against a deadline. Copies around 350-370Gb in 850.000 files of stuff in 55 minutes! USB2 is just too slow for that, so an expresscard with USB3 and a USB3 enclosure does the trick.
    And I make backups to a NAS that is raid 1, which backups to an off site NAS raid 1 drive. And I use ironkeys to backup the most vital data.

    Come to think of it, I'm a backup addict :D
     
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    There is no such thing as having enough backups. I have 2 Seagate's Go drives (500GB) and one Silicon Power (1TB) Rugged Armor backup drives. I have a lot of money and time tied up in software and I am not going to lose it...been there, done that, not going there ever again :thumbsup:
     
  34. theoak2

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    I learned my lesson about backups a long time ago. We had a Tandy 2000 (IBM semi-compatible) with accounting software on it for a construction business. I did not trust the floppies for backups, so I just printed each days transactions on the good old rick-rack printer. I had a 1" stack printed when disaster struck. That was OK. I had my printed "backups". It took me 2 days to type all that data in. :eek:

    I still do not trust computers not to loose all my stuff in one fell swoop, but multiple backups, and even disk images (as Alecgold said) help soften the blow when it happens.
     
  35. Alecgold

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    I remember loosing everything I had. yes, I had hard copies, but typing 25*30 pages is a hell of a lot of work and it needed to be done within a few weeks, in between the regular work.

    Hard copies are no option anylonger, or at least for me. I've got so many pages, it would take a forrest and some more to print all that. The past two months I wrote & generated 35*40 pages in concepts and then again 35*40final applications and then for 8 people a progress report that was 12 pages for the concept and 20 pages in definitive form and it had to be send in in tripple. That's well over 1500 pages per month, not counting my own concepts, print outs etc.
    10 years ago it would have costed me 2500 pages a month and I was printing on a laserprinter because of that. These days I only print very complex texts or specific pages from reference documents, sometimes a contract orso.

    So backing up is the only way to go. And printing everything to PDF and hope that in 10 years time we can still read those. And not like the word perfect files (or even way more obscure files...) that are a pain in the proverbial place.
    That's where I'm sometimes really worried about: how long can we read documents, how long before SSD's or HDD's start to crumble and fail? Just like rotting DVD's & CD's, that can happen in months but often even in a few years.
     
  36. mnementh

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    But what do I do with my 3 Terabytes of ASCII pr0n?

    :p


    mnem
    You haven't lived until you've imagined twiddling an @ like you're tuning in Tokyo... :twitchy:
     
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    In the past when I was worried about future reading of obscure formats, I included a copy of the software to read the docs on my backups. You can always find emulation software to run obscure programs on new hardware.
     
  38. Alecgold

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    what do you do these days with obscure software then? still include the programs?
     
  39. Shawn

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    Is software different than programs? I'm confused.
     
  40. Alecgold

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    sorry, would both need to be software. A bit tired from all the work in the last two months.