Kinetic Scrolling on CF29?

Hey, I looked around here and on the internet machine before posting this.

I found a few drivers for synaptec devices to allow gestures and kinetic scrolling, etc... but we don't have synaptec devices. I also found Vista and Win7 can have that functionality enabled in the OS.

Is there kinetic scrolling, pinch zoom, etc for XP on our ToughBooks (mine is a CF29)? I'm not talking about gestures and recognition, more of the fancy cherry on top nifty features (yes, I just used the word nifty).

 

No pinch zoom, no kinetic scrolling but you do have a scroll strip down the right side of the touchpad with the proper drivers loaded. You may want to read the users manual.

 

Unfortunately, multi-touch technology requires different hardware as well as software. Yes, some mfrs are offering updated drivers to add some multi-touch functionality to older models; but they REALLY don't work nearly as well, just like nobody has a touchscreen phone with a touch screen that's half as good as the iPhone.

Every other week someone releases another iPhone-Killer; yet STILL, no-one can match their user interface and the main reason is that NO-ONE has a touchscreen that's half as good as theirs.

mnem
touched.

 

Toughbook: rest easy my friend, I have searched & read much of what is available to me. It's the first thing I do before I post a question (although, as many people do, I suffer from lazyass on occasion). Also, sometimes getting a clear concise answer from someone else who has experienced the exact same circumstance(s)/challange is a heck of a lot quicker.

Setting up the scroll bar on the side is an option in the advanced tab on mouse properties (or something of the like)... one of the first things I did.

I was hoping for kinetic or flick scrolling, as I have 6000 albums loaded onto the hdd, and scrolling through 10k songs is kinda slow in winamp or WMP10. Looks like I'm going to use a jukebox or carputer front end to handle the task.

Thanks Guys!

 

Toughbook,
Just so you know, I appriciate all the help!

 

I've got no idea what 'kinetic scrolling' actually is but I think it's something to do with the way the user touch interface in Iphones, etc. works. Am I right?

Ok, so if that's the case I read a review on the new Macbook recently about it's very fancy scrolling functions, but I'm fairly sure that a touchpad for a CF-29 (or even a CF-30) is not equipped with the right hardware or software to support the sort of actions that Apple says can be done with touchpads and touchscreens on it's latest products.

Would be nice, but a TB just isn't the sort of platform where I think that technology is really needed. If in the future it flows away from high-end consumer items to professional items like our TB's, that would be nice but I'm not expecting to see it any time soon.

Craig.

 

Maybe this is a simpler solution...

http://direct.wacom.com/stores/5/BAMBOO TOUCH_P1530.cfm

http://www.wacom.com/bamboo/gestures.php

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823100055

mnem
bam. BOO!

 

If you need this type of functionality, you might want to consider getting an Apple Magic Mouse. They released drivers for Windows as part of the bootcamp installer.

I'm using a bluetooth magic mouse with my CF-30 mk2. It works great. Once you get used to two finger scrolling, you'll never want to go back.


Edit - here's the page I used to get the drivers for the Magic Mouse (it has links to the driver files on Uneasy Silence). The drivers support Windows XP through to Windows 7.

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/11/apple-magic-mouse-drivers-for-windows.ars

 

That there majic mouse seems pretty cool... but I can't support Mac/Apple.... I just can't do it. I refuse to buy first hand items from Stevy. I just can't. I need therapy.
However, after some other manufacturers figure it out, and rip it off, then I'll probably get one.
But the bamboo thing, that seems like I might dig it. And at $70, that's pretty affordable.

As far ability, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say that the hardware will support it, just that there is no general windows driver. I mean, the system needs to "pay attention" to how you drag across the screen, and then "flick" the page. I realize that the other functions of pinch zoom and the like, that require multitouch, are outside the realm of our hardware(s). Also, there are drivers for various programs on PPC's and newer Windows Mobile OS's (i'm into xda devices as well) that will allow kinetic scrolling, even though the devices have the same type of resistive screen as the toughbooks (presumably). Again, those with resistive screens will not allow pinch zoom and other multitouch gestures.
There are plugins for firefox that will allow it, as well as several other programs/plugins (which illude my mind currently). I had found them when I was searching for an xp kinetic scroll driver.

I know that Vista and 7 can support kinetic scrolling. Maybe it's possible to rip the driver out of one of those. So far as I know, MS didn't change the driver architecture after XP (correct me if I'm wrong). Then again, it may be the specific driver for that specific screen that supports it. I'm gonna go gizzoogle it now.

HEY! Please, if anyone has Vista or 7 running on a touch screen TB, please speak up: does your TB support kinetic (flick) scrolling?

 

I just watched some of the video for the Bamboo. That actually seems pretty BA. I was going to look for a good mouse to use in the car for autocad, but that might be better....

 

Yeah... plus, it's on sale at NewEgg right now. $54 w/ free shipping. Look at the price in your cart.

mnem
!ooB

 

Have one of these on the way from amazon. Except it is the bamboo pen & touch small. The egg has everything else; the bamboo touch, bamboo pen, bamboo craft pen & touch, and the silver bamboo pen & touch large.

Not sure why so many models, just be sure if you are getting one for the gestures make sure its not the "bamboo pen" no touch support.

The one I ordered comes with Photoshop Elements 7.0 and Nik Color Efex Pro 3.0. Either one of these programs individually retail for more than I paid for the tablet with them!
My son has been wanting a tablet & photoshop for his drawing. Once I realized it had the gesture function and came with software I was sold.

I ordered it before I even knew I was gonna get a TB, can't wait to try the tablet with my new baby. (IF they ever get here! )

Sorry for the long post but I was researching tablets for about a month before I ordered one.
The TB was more of an impulse buy.

 

Thanks guys I just ordered a Bamboo Touch from Amazon as well.....Love the gestures for surfing the web! I think the videos on their site made me buy!

 

I use firefox and I have an addon thats called grab and drag. It has kinetic scrolling built in. Plus I can grab the screen anywhere and scroll

 

I don't know about kinetic scrolling, but you can get scrolling like action in any window with the Newton Peripheral Mogo Mouse scrollpiont software. I just installed it for the mouse, and it works on the touchpad too! Even in Firefox

 

I've had the tablet for a while now and I really like it. It has worked well for me both under XP and 7 on the Toughbook. It supports multitouch, and gestures (pinch for shrink/zoom, two fingers swept left/right to go back/forward in web pages, two fingers up/down to scroll w/ momentum). Really nice.

 

You get kinetic scrolling with the Cooliris add-on for Firefox as well.

 

You can push both the right and left mouse buttons at the same time and get auto scroll on your mouse pad.

 

+1 This plug-in works great with the touchscreen.

 

I had no idea the l/r mouse combo would do that! I'm totally going to play around with that a bit more.

THANKS!

 

This will not work on my CF-29N with Win7.

 

You need to load the panasonic driver. It won't work if your just using windows 7 drivers. It works on all my cf-29

 

Thanks, you used the Panasonic XP driver?

 

Yes I'm using windows xp driver. I forget you don't have touch screen.

 

Android Phones such as g1 (the one I have, and all the other like desire, hero, mytouch, legend, etc) have as good or better as I phone touchscreen, and it works as good as iphones, the new Iphone 4 has higher res, but desire on other hand has OLED... Not sure if you were aware of the new android phones, or not.. if not go and check them out, here see Touchscreen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia about touchscreens, and capacitive touch screen, not to hijack the tread, only to point out to different touchscreen technology...

 

The 29E touchscreen is a Fujitsu. Here is the Fujitsu driver page.
Is it USB or serial?
Is it 4 wire or 7 wire resistive?

Touch Panel Driver Software : Fujitsu United States

 

Sorry, this has been debunked repeatedly by independent clinical testing. Less accuracy, less consistency, and that compared to the 3G. The 4G purportedly doubles the touchscreen resolution of the 3G.

I'm talking about the touchpanel itself; not the screen under it. I like the 4G screen best of the current crop; the high-res LED displays "vibrate" harshly to my eyes and make me uncomfortable, while the 4G seems more organic. Mind you, I DON'T like it enough to sign up for another 2 years with AT&T. When the 4G is 4G capable, I MIGHT consider it. Until then, I'll jailbreak my 3G when my contract is up.

mnem
Fuel.

 

If you say so, I have g1 and ipod touch, which is basicaly the same as iPhone, minus the phone features, and I can't tell the difference in real world, i did find a test which shows some test on touch screens and you are right the iphone's does perform a tiny bit better, thean htc google nexus one, htc droid eris. and much better than moto droid, and palm pre, not sure as how much that performance increase will matter in real world cituations, as there is barely any poin of drawing lines on screen...

here is the link to test

Further tests confirm iPhone touchscreen superiority

I wonder how does it compare to panasonic's digitizer screens? I know it's different technology, but anyways?

 

The place where the difference shows most clearly is when someone like myself tries to use it with a size 17 index finger. I rarely have to zoom the page to accurately select an object on my iPwn; with the DROID and the G1 I ALWAYS have to zoom, and often I can't get it to even pinch properly because of my large fingertips. I use my smartphone everyday as my portable office; I literally cannot make my livelihood without it. As a result, I have very little patience for devices which promise what they can't deliver.

My experience with the iPwn has been stellar; it has delivered far more than I dreamed it could, and has held up well in my pocket every day with no "creeping crud" type failures that have plagued the keypads, backlights and flip mechanisms of my previous phones. (Knocks on wood and double checks that Extended Warranty)

My experience with AT&T has been quite the reverse; I have more dropped calls and no service in a week than I had my entire 3 years with Verizon. My biggest complaint about the iPwn is the lack of tethering and lack of functional voice command; both suckages are directly tied to the demands of AT&T as part of their contract with Apple.

mnem
iPwned.

 

I'm very late to this game as I got my first smart phone just last month. I have played with an iPhone (3g?) that my brother in law worships, and I would take my HTC Incredible over the iPhone in a heartbeat. In response to mnem's comments, I have pretty ugly ex-commercial fisherman's fingers and find the oskb quite friendly, the Amoled screen is stunning, and the GPS is nothing short of fabulous. You press the icon, speak into the mike, select your target, and then you drive there with good turn by turn directions. Speaking into the mike can be an address, business name, latest movie, museum exhibit(you don't need the name of the museum, just the artist and city). The app and the service are free from Google. Tethering is encouraged, the Verizon VZ software disk comes in the box with the phone. And, of course its not on AT&T.
CAP

 

I've tried the Incredible (BELIEVE ME - I WANT an excuse to dump AT&T); while the larger screen is appealing, the touchscreen's still not as accurate as my iPwn and comparing them side by side, Verizon's data side is f-ing SLOW all the time (AT&T's is slow about half the time). They keep promising they'll get better (just like AT&T), but I haven't seen it yet. We have a start on pretty fair 4G coverage here in San Antonio; I expect that by the time my 3G dies, we'll have both a decent coverage map and a worthy replacement for my iPwn.

mnem
Mesh-ed.

 

BTW... I know this is kind of an on-going topic, but you can have system wide kinetic scrolling in windows 7 without multi-touch hardware. It just requires drivers made for Windows 7.

 

We know... that's why we keep flogging the subject, in hopes that someone at Panasonic will notice and do them up.

:wink:

mnem
*Cough*DRIVERS*Cough*

 

LOL. That's what I get for not reading but page 1-2.