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    Rubber CF-29 cover???

    Discussion in 'Panasonic' started by gmgfarrand, May 18, 2010.

  1. gmgfarrand

    gmgfarrand Notebook Evangelist

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    Whats up with this??
    h**p://cgi.ebay.com/Panasonic-Toughbook-CF-29-Rubber-Cover-Protector-Knobby-/330432819675?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cef54b1db

    Or this?

    "I am going to ask that those of the "Official Toughbook Forum" or the "Notebook Review Toughbook Front" not to bid on this item, or any of my items Please! This is a simple rubber cover for a Toughbook, and it's not a device that requires your Review, Testing or your Panasonic Committee Forum Oversight to sell. It's a simple durable rubber cover for the top to a Toughbook. All I wish to do is sell some items, please. I read all the threats to me and my family several of you left. Your accounts have been put on notice with eBay, I have saved all your ID's and messages and will post them on some super special Laptop Auction. The eBay community may be shocked at what some of you foolishly put in writing, You don't have to leave any feedback if you buy my items, and if you want a refund I'll refund your money, but please do not bid if your intent is to cause harm to me and my family or leave negative feedback in an attempt to "shut me down" as some of you wrote in your forums and emailed me through my eBay account. If you want a refund, the best way to get one is send me an email and let me know, there is no need to file a legal grievance with PayPal. Thanks "
     
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    all i can say is WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
     
  3. TopCop1988

    TopCop1988 Toughbook Aficionado

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    See the Rubber guard for lid Cf29 and others thread on this.
     
  4. gmgfarrand

    gmgfarrand Notebook Evangelist

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
    OK, Someone can delete this THREAD. :)
     
  5. NTTD

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    Yes please, lets not do this again.
     
  6. Rob

    Rob Toughbook Aficionado

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    This idiot was selling over priced CF-29's... Rick got screwed by him I do believe... he doesn't know sh1t about sh1t... Rick, any insight?

    lol!
     
  7. Azrial

    Azrial Notebook Deity

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    Sounds like overreacting BS to me! I doubt that any here made a death threat to him or his family over his item.
     
  8. opfor2

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    But isn't that the American way trying to make a buck??? I don't see what all of the fuss is about for if someone thinks that his product is cool and interesting and they want to pay that price that is there right to do so. I don't condone theft or deceit but man the uproar over this...
     
  9. Toughbook

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    He was the one that sold a couple of us the "East German Developed and Made Special CF-29 Hard Drive Caddy" or something to that effect. I left him negative feedback as his responses to me were VERY strange.... The other buyer left him poor feedback as well.

    The caddys were a joke and looked like they were put togther out of some sort of PVC fencing material. The only truly stock part was the $39 CF-29 HD ribon cable. The rest was poorly constructed glue and tape and a poor job of peeling off the Panasonic logo from the cover of a laptop and melt it into the plastic in attempt to make it look "Officially Developed in East Germany" I suspect.

    I never threatened the guy nor did the other buyer of the caddy. I did post a "stay away from this seller" type post but thought better of it and deleted it. The way I figure it.... P.T. Barnum was right... There is a sucker born every minute.... And in some cases they can line up in long lines... And I am finished warning people because there are just too many suckers to warn and even when you do.... They don't listen. As you would figure... Most suckers are stupid too.

    Though I am eager to see his posts regarding who threatened his life over a piece of plastic.... THAT should be interesting. I think the guy has a severe flair for the dramatic... I thought I could lose MY head sometimes... WOW...
     
  10. Silver Trooper

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    The guy brings a whole new meaning to the word "flake". Besides having the extreme flair for the dramatic (drama queen?), he exhibits traits that could only be attributed to some type of paranoia. He probably thinks the black helicopters are coming for him on some moonless night...
     
  11. Psycholist

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    Glad I came across this thread. This guy is also selling a complete CF-29 for what seemed to be an incredibly low "buy it now" price. It looked to good to be true, and considering the rep this guy has here, it probably is.
     
  12. Toughbook

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    There is obviously a meaning behind his ebay name... (Now watch him change it!)

    I can't believe that guy doesn't see that he is just shooting himself in the foot. If he would just shut up and list his item.... He'd probably sell some. Since he references the "Everyone thinks my stuff is trash" and "I've received threats because of bad customers"... It would certainly make me think twice before purchasing.
     
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    An unattributed quote from a guy who made his fortune selling stuff from small ads in newspapers. When asked the secret of his success he said.....

    "Sell them hope, send them crap"
     
  14. mnementh

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    Hey hey now! The black helicopters CAN'T be coming for HIM... THEY'RE MINE. ALL MINE. And they'll come back again... SOON.

    mnem
    Even paranoids have enemies.
     
  15. TopCop1988

    TopCop1988 Toughbook Aficionado

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    Now, you know for a fact they are dark navy blue: not " black." :rolleyes:
     
  16. mnementh

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    The DARK NAVY ONES are for EX-Jarheads & Seals, just like the DARK GREEN ONES are for EX-CAG & Rangers... The BLACK ONES are for EX-SR71 Pilots and OTHER "POIs" the CIA wants to keep tabs on. DON'T YOU KNOW ANYTHING?

    The ones you REALLY have to watch out for are the GOLD ONES... they're from Publisher's Clearinghouse. :wink:

    mnem
    Here, have this nice shiny hat...
     
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    LONG read, but worth the time :) :

    The King of Speed
    - - -
    There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

    It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.

    I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

    We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed.

    Center replied: " November Charlie 175, I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground."

    Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the "HoustonCenterVoice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the HoustonCenterControllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that... and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

    Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed.

    " Ah, Twin Beach: I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed."

    Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren.

    Then out of the blue, a Navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios.

    " Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check."

    Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it -- ol' Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet.

    And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion:

    " Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground."

    And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done -- in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now.

    I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn. Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet.

    Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke:

    " Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?"

    There was no hesitation, and the reply came as if was an everyday request:

    " Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground."

    I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice:

    " Ah, Center, much thanks. We're showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money."

    For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the HoustonCentervoice, when L.A. came back with,

    " Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one."

    It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day's work.

    We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.
     
  18. Toughbook

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    I'd literally given my left one for a ride in that... Right at the edge of space. The SR-71 is in my top 5 beside the P-51, P-47, F86 and F4 Phantom... I wish I could fly them all.... I have a customer that actually does... Well... not the SR-71 but he gets to fly all the older jets and prop planes for a museum. He instructs too. I think he primarily flys old Migs though...

    If I hit that Powerball.... I'll have the Russians take me up to the ISS!
     
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    CO-JONES! MAN......CO-JONES! if you get my drift......
     
  20. gmgfarrand

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    You guys are dreaming too small.

    Golf carts baby!! That's where its at! All terrain golf carts!!! ;)
     
  21. Toughbook

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    You should see his LATEST version of his "clinical" auction.... This is just too funny... If it weren't so sad!

    And can someone PLEASE explain his last link? It makes no sense to me...

    US... Shutting HIM down? HA!... He's doing that to himself!
     
  22. mnementh

    mnementh Crusty Ol' TinkerDwagon

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    Mmmhmmm...

    Looks like shnugget borrowed h3lpmedic's idea of augmenting his Toughbook's awkward appearance with spray-on truck bedliner; it's a definite improvement. That Toughbook escutcheon plate he's hawking at the end of his auction doesn't even look good in pictures; I'd hate to think what it looks like IRL.

    Perhaps this is not the best time or place to mention this (since we're all so clearly out to get this guy), but that logo is Copyrighted material (actually, the WORD TOUGHBOOK is Copyrighted, as well as the use of it with that font), and the product itself actually infringes on a Panasonic trademarked part in current production.

    If Panasonic wanted to be D!cks about it, they could litigate his arse back into the stone age and eBay would be required to provide testimony against him.

    As for the link he posted... I guess he looked far and wide for someone he could feel superior to and in his mind, that YouTuber was it. I'm in awe.

    mnem
    Manufacturing 101: If you're going to make someone else's parts under the table, DON'T MAKE THE PART WITH THAT COMPANY'S TRADEMARK ON IT!!!
     
  23. ohlip

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    mnem...It must be CLINICAL on the center not a toughbook logo, :D

    What do you think it looks like? Maybe like this; Huh!


    ohlip
     

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    mnementh Crusty Ol' TinkerDwagon

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    *Shudders at the thought* :confused2:

    Thanks, Ohlip... now I have to go to bed with THAT image rattling around my head, causing unknown damage... :twitchy:

    mnem
    :err: And think... :wideeyed: his vote gets counted exactly the same as yours or mine. :eek2:
     
  25. gmgfarrand

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    I watched the VID, I am confused as to the point of it...
    Did someone tell him that his home-made label for the toughbook logo is illegal? ;)
     
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    It may be illegal but it is one of those things that everyone is doing... To some degree.... I have a website with "Toughbook" in the name as do MANY others.... Yes... Panny could crack down but on eBay it takes a complaint by the owner of the trademark/patent holder/copyright holder to lodge a complaint. I don't think Panasonic has the time or desire to do that.

    Secretly.... I think thy get off on it! It's a whole cottage industry...
     
  27. Silver Trooper

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    BTW, I sent him a Note to Seller on Ebay. Nothing nasty, just that we really weren't out to "get" him and that the words he was putting in his comments would do far more harm to him than what we could do. I wished him luck as a fellow Ebay seller and told him he would need more than just luck if Panasonic ever decides to take him to court over copyright infringement.
     
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    Please don't email him... Please... NOBODY on the forum.... This is a guy who will extinguish himself if left alone...
     
  29. TopCop1988

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    Roger That!!!
     
  30. Silver Trooper

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    Oh, do not worry. I would never email him directly and I hid my email address from the receiver. Plus, my Ebay name is not the same as my name on this forum. I made sure there was nothing inflammatory or threatening so he couldn't go to Ebay and complain. As you say, his own paranoia will be his undoing in the end, which in a way is also sad as it is (almost) always good to have fresh ideas and thoughts here on the forum, as well as new products that can improve the Toughbook experience. Unfortunately, there are those few cases where the wrong motivation (greed?) can lead to shoddy materials and workmanship being passed along to the unknowing sheep, which in turn can lead to distrust on their part of those who have a legitimate product or service.
     
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    I understand all that TB.. but there's a difference between USING the trademarked logo to sell a product you have that you are legitimately engaged in the sale of, and MAKING AND SELLING THE MANUFACTURER'S TRADEMARK ITSELF!

    What next? Counterfeit Ford blue Ovals? Chevy Bowties?

    You get my point... manufacturers are generally a bit more aggressive when it comes to ANYTHING that could negatively affect their company's image. If someone gets cut on this thing and sues this guy, Panasonic gets its name dragged through the mud.

    It is a violation of the seller agreement this guy made with eBay to sell counterfeit Trademarked/Copyrighted material (which the content of his own auction very clearly proves that product to be); if ANYONE reported him to eBay, he would be reprimanded by eBay (I know, big whup) and the listing in question taken down. If he continues to post such listings, he would be banned and his account shut down.

    eBay WILL pursue these actions; I've seen it with other vendors. It's only the fact that noone has bothered to narc this guy out that prevents it.

    Bottom line: it's an awful lot of potential headache to make an extra $5 per on the side; sure wouldn't be worth it to me.

    mnem
    Eagles may soar, but weasels never get sucked into jet engines.
     
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    :D

    Oh, now that is a classic.....
     
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    PsyOps! I love it!!! :yes:
     
  34. kishy

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    I'm not seeing a problem...his product doesn't actually include a Toughbook logo, the photos just demonstrate how it fits around a Toughbook logo (which I think, though IANAL, makes up a pretty good argument for using a trademarked logo)

    The attitude on the other hand is a problem.
     
  35. mnementh

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    Kishy -

    That Toughbook logo/Nameplate you are referring to... he IS selling it, as an "add-on" to the auction for his rubber ToughBook skin. THAT is what we're talking about; a WHOLE WORLD of potential grief for an extra $5 per... just not worth it.

    mnem
    It seems common horse sense has become so uncommon, only horses have it anymore...
     
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    Right you are, my mistake. I just skimmed over it and must have missed it.

    That's definitely illegal...no two ways about it.

    If Ford threatens legal action over a gradient blue circle (yes, circle, not oval) with two-tone silver border (a creation of mine in the past, logo for an enthusiast website) Panasonic certainly should come after this. I wouldn't be the one to make the calls though. His luck will run out when it runs out...or maybe it never will.

    Textual use of the word for descriptive or informative purposes shouldn't be a problem, but selling a product (directly profiting) from the presence of that logo on his items is a problem.
     
  37. mnementh

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    Yes, it is... I found it on THE ARPANET.

    mnem
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    Same here, he mentions not to "tarnish your new toy this way" but I'm not sure what he means. Open the lid, touch the touchscreen? :confused: :confused:

    Perhaps the video he intended embed was one of the abuse ones.