Windows 11?

I have a CF-31 mark 2 anyone one working on a work around to upgrade older Models?
edm

 

I'm sure there will be no problems.
Windows 11 = Windows 10.
Windows 10 works well on my CF-19 MK2 (U7500 1.06GHz super high power, 80GB HDD)

 

https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/windows/windows-11-specifications
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors

The requirements are harsh. Even my 4 year old $2000 laptop doesn't qualify.

 

Those compatibility sheets are a little odd. There's no listing for my Core i5-3340, even for Windows 10, which I'm running.

 

Currently, you need Intel 8th gen or newer CPU. We'll have to use a hacked installer that bypasses the CPU version requirement.

 

I'm kinda glad MS is making everything older than 8th gen obsolete because you must be a massive masochist to use anything with less than four real cores in 202x.

 

Nick Burns lives

 

I was wrong. Compatibility checker tells cf-19mk2 is not compatible and fz-m1 1st gen is not compatible because it's missing secure boot
I think win11 will work everywhere after release. And system requirements are low enough even for u7500 cpu.

 

As of now you must have Tpm 2.0, which I do not have but I run Linux. I have 8.1 on a dual boot just to run a video game. The current work around is as follows.

Extract both isos Win 10 and Win11. Go into Win 10 source folder delete install.esd file. Then copy everything in the source folder to the Win11 source folder, yes copy over everything. Then click setup in the Win 11 folder. The Win10 install will show, not to worry keep going until you see the Win11 os select win 11 keep going. I found that it will use your old windows key for activation.

 

In what way is an 8th gen i3 better than a 7th gen i7? My i7 7700 is beefier than many of the CPUs in the list of approved processors. FFS there are even Atom and Celeron processors in the list. It would make some sense if Windows 11 were using certain CPU instructions only available on newer processors, but AFAIK that is not the case. If you hack the installer, you can install it on even older systems, and it runs just fine.

 

Read m8, read: you must be a massive masochist to use anything with less than four real cores in 202x.

With that I meant the older Toughbooks with 2c4t i5's. Dualcores are obsolete and even Intel knew that way before Ryzen, they insisted on stagnating for ten years instead of giving us more than two cores on mainstream CPUs, until Lisa Su/Ryzen lit a fire under their asses.

 

What does that have to do with the older generation CPUs being made obsolete? My 7th gen i7 has 4 cores (8 with hyperthreading). You're kinda glad that M$ is making an i7-7700HQ obsolete, but happily including Atom and Celeron CPUs in the acceptable list.

 

I don't have any difficulties with older cpu's and win10, even 5W i5-4302Y work well. Fast and comfortable.
Just installed win11 into virtualbox. I think I will make some interface changes after real install, so all functions of win10 (taskbar right-click -> task manager, for example) will work again. The most attractive new feature for me will be Windows subsystem for Android

 

I have a copy of Windows 11 that works on anything if you want it.

 

Avoid downloading ISOs from untrusted sources. You never know what might be in there, added intentionally, or unintentionally because the computer on which it was made was infected with malware.
There is a project where you can download a script which downloads the required files from Microsoft's own servers, and builds an ISO for you on your own computer.
https://uupdump.net/known.php?q=22000
There is also a script which will make another ISO using the one you made in the step above which allows you to bypass the installation restrictions.
https://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/win-11-boot-and-upgrade-fix-kit-v1-7.83724/ (you might need to register (for free) before you can access the site).
Or you can manually edit the ISO and replace the file appraiserres.dll with one from a Windows 10 ISO.

 

Your i7-7700 will work fine. I'm currently typing this on a 7700k system with the latest Windows 11 Insider Preview.

For those interested, Windows 10 is *not* the same as Windows 11. Although most of it is identical, the security features they are forcing on everyone is the reason for the lack of compatibility. Even if you get around the TPM and Secure Boot requirements, there are security features and software built into the core of Windows 11 which, when turned on, (and it is by default), makes older systems run stupidly slow because they don't support the native functions in their CPU's necessary to handle the security stuff Windows 11 is adding. When the support isn't there, it is supposed to backport to an emulated security feature that older CPU's can use, which makes them stupidly slow. Microsoft is refusing to allow users to turn this off for the sake of computer security moving forward. (I've spent way too much time on the internet researching this lol).

On a side note, the i7-7700 family supports the mentioned security stuff just fine, so don't panic if you're still waiting on them to approve our CPU's.

That being said, I'm curious to see how everyone's systems handle the new OS. I still want to upgrade my CF-30 MK3 to it, (which currently runs Windows 10 beautifully). I'm just waiting to find out how it performs for others first.


Edit: Anyone who wants Windows 11 just has to be part of the Windows Insider program on Windows 10 to qualify unless your system is too old to support Windows 11 at all. It's a free development branch update.

Edit 2:

The current Windows 11 build is just an update to Windows 10. You're not installing Windows 11 by doing that. You're running a modified build of Windows 10 with some visual upgrades. That can cause serious issues down the road when you install updates or a newer build comes out.

 

I'm running it on an 11 year old laptop, Windows Insider program - dev channel, and getting updates via Windows Update and Microsoft Store. Installed 22000.51. Now upgraded to 22000.65. (Haven't taken the new screenshot yet).

 

I am really glad you all know exactly what I am doing, however I also have a source for Windows 11 from people I trust,who have the official version. They have taken it apart and studied it, and figured out how to bypass a few of the requirements, that's what they do. These are people that compile Windows builds. But whatever, what do I know.

 

By the way, is there some reason to jump to Windows 11, apart from the support of 10 running out in a few years? Better security?

I don't even update Windows 10.

 

I don't use Windows much, Linux for me. Windows 11 is kinda neat, I like the interface but as I said before I run 8.1 just for a video game. Windows and all it's glitches and so on make my head hurt.

 

I agree. Everything is so simple and reliable in Linux. Network interface (Intel e1000e) random disappearance. No IR (Windows Hello) camera support, no 4G (Lenovo Linux certified laptop) support. Wonderful, I love Linux too

 

I don't seem to have those problems, maybe, just maybe it's just......you.

 

Are you using Windows Hello on your Linux PC? I've tried Howdy and couldn't make it to work because IR lights not turning on when needed. And there are no Linux drivers for Fibocom L850-GL. I've bought this laptop to use Linux as my main OS, but had to switch to Win10 after many attempts.
At the same time my home linux server (cf-19 mk6 + Fedora 34) works very stable, except of that disappearing Intel e1000e network adapter.
I understand this is more of a holy war

 

All this UEFI, secure boot, etc. ends up making things very difficult to install Linux on a laptop designed for Windows. You are basically left with two choices:
1. Either buy a laptop designed to be Linux friendly.
2. Use Linux running on Windows' own Linux subsystem.

My Clevo laptop will not run ANY Linux Live USB distro, and I'm too unfamiliar with how Linux works to be comfortable doing a bare metal install in a dual boot configuration.

 

@anytimer , It's easy to install Linux on my Lenovo T14s AMD. Almost everything works, except those 2 components, but they are critical for me.

My Win11 Virtualbox doesn't want to boot anymore. And this time I don't want to install beta-preview-prerelease editions on my PC's )

 

20000.71 just dropped on WU.

 

Windows 11 running very nicely on CF-31 MK4. Just turned on UEFI, Secure Boot, and TPM in BIOS, did a clean install of latest Windows 10 on an old 7200 rpm spinning drive I had laying around, and did "in place" Windows Insider upgrade. (I have 3 drive caddies for experimenting like this without messing up my working installs of Windows 10 and Ubuntu 20.04.) After it downloaded most of the upgrade, I replaced apraiserres.dll with one from Windows 10 install disk. I'm not sure how well it would have done with a clean install, but all drivers are working. At least Device Manager does not show any not working. TPM is there, but not working exactly right. I think it needs a newer version (maybe).

 

Other Windows 11 glitches:

1. Could not calibrate touchscreen until I changed Touchscreen to Tablet mode in BIOS, which is unfortunate because Ubuntu works better with Touchscreen mode
   
2. Occasionally (twice) get "Network Protocol" error (I've never seen that before)

Things that work well:

1. Panasonic Dashboard (surprisingly) including Touch Calibration, PC Info Viewer, Battery Recalibration, Power Plan Ex, GPS Viewer, and Ignition Mode
2. Touchpad works as well as it ever did (which has never been impressive in any OS)
   
3. Hot keys for Screen Brightness, Audio Volume, Keyboard Backlight. Haven't tried F7, F9, F10, or F11 yet
4. Bluetooth & WiFi works including physical ON/OFF switch. WWAN seems to work too, but I don't currently have a Verizon account to verify that absolutely
   
5. HDMI out works
   
6. DVD drive reads DVDs, and burns them using built-in Windows burner software
   
7. SD Card reader & USB ports work, and so far I have not gotten "device is busy" message when I try to eject
   
8. PC Card & Express Card slots work
9. Tecrotech Webcam works
10. TPM shows up in Device Manager as "working properly", but the TPM settings app will not open and gives the error I showed before, and Windows has never asked me to record anything to TPM chip the way Ubuntu has, but this may be me not knowing what I am doing

 

Update on TPM:

It seems that Microsoft installs their own driver for TPM 1.2. The package from Panasonic for Infineon software is outdated, and not needed for TPM to work. So I uninstalled that driver package.

However, the TPM version is 1.2 (on my CF-31 MK4) instead of the required 2.0. If your "Manufacturer version" is 3.16 and your "Specification version" is 1.2, there seems to be no way to upgrade to "Specification version" 2.0 as officially required by Windows 11.

But If your "Manufacturer version" is 4.32, 4.33, or 4.34 (Module SLB 9655 and SLB 9656) or version 4.40, 4.42, or 4.43 (Module SLB 9660), then Panasonic has a file to upgrade to "Specification Version" 2.0.

 

Intel released a graphics driver for Windows 11.
igfx_win10_100.9667.exe

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/intel-drivers-updates.782418/page-55#post-11106999

 

You don't need TPM, Secure Boot, or even a UEFI BIOS for that matter. They want everyone to think that they do so they will waste money on a new computer. Poppycock. Micro$lop's system requirements can be ignored.

Save this to a text file and name it something simple, like bypass.reg

Code:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\LabConfig]
"BypassTPMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck"=dword:00000001

Confirm the file has the correct extension (meaning .reg, not reg.txt) if you have Windows configured to "hide extensions for known file types" like a good little boy/girl. (I am naughty and don't do that.)

Put the reg file on your USB thumb drive for installing Windows 11

Between the first screen at the start of setup and the screen where you select the version of Windows (before the "compliance" nonsense starts), press Shift+F10 to open a command prompt. Change the directory to the partition on your USB thumb drive, then type the name of the registry editor file (bypass.reg if you followed my suggestion). Answer affirmatively when you are asked to confirm your intention to merge the registry info. After merging, click on the version of Windows you plan to install and continue the installation.

I have used this process three times to install Windows 11 on systems that have Legacy BIOS with CSM enabled, Intel ME disabled and TPM disabled in the BIOS because those are my preferred configuration options. I don't care one iota what they think is best and have no intention of complying with their program. I will refuse to do it simply for the pleasure of defiance. (All three systems are compatible in every way, but for my applied preferences.)

I had no issues installing Windows 11 when using that super easy tweak.

This video should help you make the experience less aesthetically repulsive after the installation completes.

 

I hope Microsoft relents on their requirements so that older computers (4-6 years old?) will be "Officially Supported".

It is not that difficult to edit the registry, but unfortunately most "ordinary users" will not do this. Nor will they learn to use Linux. They will grudgingly throw away their old computers, and buy a new disposable computer.

Deliberately designing things to be unrepairable, and abandoned for security updates is environmentally and socially irresponsible.

 

I cannot help but feel that increased control over both software and hardware, a self-serving agenda, including selfish financial interests, data harvesting, and even collusion among OEM partners, are the primary driving forces behind the mysteriously restrictive "system requirements" for Windows 11. I don't believe that concerns about "security" are genuine, but they like to play that card to scare sheeple into following the flock.

 

Until Windows 10 every new release of Windows needed a more powerful computer than then previous one.
This benefited the bottom line of OEMs and made them quite willing to go along with Microsoft having Windows installed at the factory.
Windows 10 was developed for tablets, which had much lower spec hardware but as everyone knew laptops and desktops were going to be made obsolete by them.

Windows 11 is Microsoft getting back in line with the drive to planned hardware obsolescence.

 

You forgot this disaster... The first real touch desktop OS was Win 8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_8

Windows 8 introduced major changes to the operating system's platform and user interface to improve its user experience on tablets, where Windows was now competing with mobile operating systems, including Android and iOS. In particular, these changes included a touch-optimized Windows shell based on Microsoft's "Metro" design language and the Start screen (which displays programs and dynamically updated content on a grid of tiles), a new platform for developing " apps" with an emphasis on touchscreen input, integration with online services (including the ability to synchronize apps and settings between devices), and Windows Store, an online distribution for downloading and purchasing new software. Many of these features were adoptions from Windows Phone.

 

I tried hard to forget it, gee thanks.

But Windows 8 was not as well suited to low spec devices as Windows 10.

 

Depends how you look at it. Win 10 can't beat the CBR-20 score I got from Win 8.1 who was the slight improvement over Win 8. And this is weak HW. 2 core/4 threads Ivy Bridge Mobile.

https://hwbot.org/submission/4558913_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i3_3120m_495_marks


Win 10
https://hwbot.org/submission/4237598_papusan_cinebench___r20_core_i3_3120m_492_marks/


Same pattern also for the weaker 2 core/2 threads Celeron Mobile
https://hwbot.org/submission/4652253_papusan_cinebench___r20_celeron_1007u_220_marks


https://hwbot.org/submission/4651088_papusan_cinebench___r20_celeron_1007u_219_marks/

 

It is impossible for us to know what kind of idiotic nonsense has been going through the heads of the schizophrenic losers that have been designing Windows from 8 forward. All I know is they suck at their jobs and they don't deserve to have one. And, they probably wouldn't have one if they screwed things up so badly working anywhere else

 

All I can say... Win 8 started really really bad. 8.1 slightly better. Then a bit better with Win 10. Now back to old sins again with Win 11 trying to repeat the Win 8 failure. The small progress they had is ruined with the coming OS. One step forwards and then three steps backwards. The influence from Apple is all too much to swallow.

 

Invasion of haters

 

Windows 10 and Windows 11 run equally well on my CF-31 MK4. This in spite of Windows 11 being an unsupported, early beta! I never liked Windows 8 or 8.1.

These ToughBooks are the tanks of the laptop world! They are not only of sturdy construction, but also Panasonic seems to have chosen well supported hardware.

I just prefer to run something current (supported with security updates), especially in the Windows space due to Windows getting viruses and malware so easily. I have no problem with running Linux either. Makes no difference to me! Once you get used to any OS, just knowing where the buttons are at, they are all pretty much the same, other than looks. For looks, I have long preferred OSX/MacOS. Windows 11 borrows some of that look that I like from OSX. And I set up my Ubuntu install to have that OSX look. If Microsoft excludes me, I will happily just run Linux on my tank. I'm surely not going to throw it away! I just hope Microsoft doesn't force my hand by making me run Linux exclusively just to have a "secure" environment.

 

Not really so much hate as not appreciating the loss of performance, loss of functionality, loss of aesthetic quality, and loss of freedom to have full control over your system that Windoze 10 and 11 (and Micro$lop in general) are becoming notorious for. There is not much left to love. That's what I hate... all of the loss. As to what's lovable, let me get back to you on that. Still looking.

 

Guys, you are so smart. Could you please tell me why i5-3320M in my CF-19 MK6 is so hot under Fedora 34?
CPU is already in powersave mode, ~idle, even turbo boost is off, lcd open, 1cm spacers between laptop and table, and still 65C+.
The whole PC is hot all the time. Never had this problem with Windows, except when CPU was at 100% for a long time.

 

If I had to guess, probably something with how Fedora is handling c-states. Even though it is in powersave mode, the CPU clocks might be elevated. If you boot to the BIOS instead of the OS, are the temperatures the same or what you would normally expect? If you have access to a Kill-A-Watt meter, see how many watts it is pulling in an idle state in the BIOS and on the Fedora desktop. It could be something as simple as a background process or driver not behaving correctly.

 

Tested all power plans to see if the same happens?

 

Temperatures are ~ the same in BIOS and Fedora.

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Nothing helps.

 

If that is a recent change maybe it is time to clean out the fans, radiators and repaste?