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    XP - need CD?

    Discussion in 'Panasonic' started by 8man1320, Oct 28, 2008.

  1. 8man1320

    8man1320 Notebook Enthusiast

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    I bought my cf-28 and xp pro was already installed.

    I have used a program :can't remember which one: to retrieve my coa# (key).

    What disk do I need to reinstall this, after a hard disk change?

    Or is there an easier way?
     
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    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    There were three different versions of XP pro, OEM, retail, volume license.

    You need the disk that corresponds with your license. An easier way might be to simply clone the current drive to the new harddisk and then expand the volume to use the entire disk
     
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    Depending on what was used to install the OS... The key you retrieve may be no good. Use the COA on the bottom of your laptop. If you have none there or it is a different OS... You may have to buy a new one. The Panasonic Recovery disks use, for lack of a better term, a generic COA... Since they will only work on those laptops that originally had an XP COA from the factory.

    Your mileage may vary
     
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    The jellybean finder. Thanks, It was driving me nuts.
    Not remembering, that is.

    I will see which version that I have.
    My 28 is a Mk1, so no XP COA on the bottom. It's 2000.

    Clone the drive?? Please explain.
     
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    gerryf19 I am the walrus

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    To expound, a clone is a bit for bit duplicate made with special software like Norton Ghost, Acronis True Image, or some free alternatives like (see following page for a handful)

    http://www.thefreecountry.com/utilities/backupandimage.shtml

    Different programs will work differently, but the gist is you make an image of your current drive, record it to the new drive. Now, you have a new drive with the previous OS on it, but the partition is the same size. You need to resize the partition to use the entire drive (or make additional partitions and use them as separate drives), to gain the space back from the newer drive.
     
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    So, I need to hook up the new drive to my 28 and then clone the info to it?

    How do I hook up the second drive?
     
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    You would need to hook both the drives up at the same time, preferably to a desktop with 2.5" hard drive (laptop drives) adapters. At my old company we had a machine that we named "Virus_Machine"... this machine was usefull for scanning drives that were to cheesed to boot and to clone stubborn drives manually that wouldn't clone over the network through the server.
     
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    What? Okay? This thread has been hijacked :p
     
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    HITACHI Travelstar 2.5" 40GB ATA/IDE Laptop Hard Drive
    Model # HTS541040G9AT00 5400rpm



    My CF-28 is a Mk1 with 20GB - 4200rpm stock drive.
    600mhz - 384MB RAM

    Will the new drive really make that much difference?
    I want more speed, and I don't see many more options.
    Except 7200rpm, OUCH, pricey.
     
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    go with a 5400RPM drive that will help. And yes 7200RPM ATA drives are pricy these days... back 4 years ago I got a 100GB 7200RPM ata for $100 :)
     
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    assuming you have adequate memory (ram), the only difference you will see is at boot up
     
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    RAM is maxxed out. Only at boot-up?? Really?
     
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    Some people actually use the hard drive for more than just loading the operating system
    If all you are doing is web surfing , then you might not notice anything other than quicker boot times.

    The hard drive is used to load programs stored on it , so if you want to run programs access files like most of us do , you will definitely notice an improvement


    Alex
     
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    Any additional suggestions for more speed? I have disabled a lot of the services, defraged, lots of space, pagefile resized.
    Just want a little more GO.
     
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    8 -

    In the case of the Mk1s, going with the 7200 RPM drive can REALLY make a big difference, ESPECIALLY if you're going to run XP. The reason is limited RAM; since the Mk1 can only handle 384MB maxxed out, XP is going to beat the tarhooties outta that virtual RAM (hard drive space used by the OS to swap out chunks of data from RAM so it can process the next chunk) and there, a faster hard drive can make it seem like you bumped up the processor or doubled the RAM because in essence, you DID. Those laptops were designed to run Win2k, which will happily operate on just 256MB since its typical kernel size is a mere 65-70MB and the apps designed back then were usually less than 15-30MB.

    XP typical kernel is more like 180-220MB, plus most apps designed for XP steal a lot more overhead as TSRs (Terminate-Stay Ready) so they can launch more quickly. XP Really doesn't start to run smooth until you get up above 512MB-1GB; that's when it has enough room to not be hashing the swapfile for OS related stuff and still have room for your apps. Above that 1GB XP doesn't utilize RAM for OS at all, so it's only your apps that will see a difference IF THEY ARE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AT ALL.

    Now Vista changes those numbers yet again; They claim a "Minimum" requirement of 1B; but my experience with Vista shows an idle kernel size of about 667MB; this doesn't leave a lot of room for my apps to play in, so bumping it up to 2GB was really "bare minimum" for my new Core 2 Duo Dell.

    As for the apps... well, most of the XP games I've seen will run under Vista, and I'm hearing from some of my gamester friends that their blistering fast 2GB XP gaming rigs feel like an old XT under Vista; they bump up the RAM to 4 and 8GB trying to get the speed back, and STILL wind up going back to XP in disgust.

    So... choose carefully. If you can afford the exorbitant pricetag of a 7200 RPM IDE drive or if you can find a deal on one, get it. Otherwise, it may be time to get into a Mk2/Mk3 that can handle the RAM that XP REALLY NEEDS.

    As for the lack of an XP COA - well, that's something you'll have to come up with yourself. Panasonic didn't offer XP on the Mk1, so you're not going to find an OEM Restore disk; and whatever COA you get, you need an OS disk that's the same type(Retail, OEM, Corporate).

    Good hunting,

    mnem<~~~ memory almost full*
     
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    HTS721060G9AT00 7200rpm hitachi travelstar ata 60GB
    Is this right? Found it for $120 shipped. Brand new.
    Let me know.

    Thanks for all the help. That last post was awesome.
     
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    Yes,
    That is what you want


    Alex
     
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    My drive is now upgraded, thank you.

    One other question: In device manager (XP) my primary ide channel is showing ultra dma mode 2. I thought this drive would be a 5. What's up?