cf-19 MK6 and windows 10

Got my cf-19 yesterday, cheapest mk6 I could find on ebay and it's not too bad. Has 5360 hours on it and looks great. Couple pressure spots and a bright pixel but that doesn't bother me for the price. Its a CF-191dyc51m, has GPS and everything works.

I couldn't find much information on installing windows 10 on the mk-6 so I figured I would give it a shot. I used the free upgrade (on screen keyboard is assistive technologies right?)

So far everything works great, had to make one small change to the settings, I selected to disable the touch when the pen is being used as this would cause the pen to be jumpy. Also uninstalled the panasonic bluetooth software as the windows bluetooth support is pretty good. All the other Panasonic software seems to work as designed

 

Sounds like you got youself a nice 19. Check out the link in my sig to shut down the spying in W10.

 

It's better not to disable that "spying" - small problems with some Microsoft services, Skype. But ok, not that important.
shackwrrr, does your mk6 have 1 or 2 ram slots? Is bluetooth integrated into wi-fi adapter?
I want to try 195D (mk7 with multi-touch)

 

It has 2 ram slots. It does have bluetooth but unsure whether it is based on the wifi card or not.

 

I figured out a cool trick with the GPS. Since our GPS chip is com based it is only in use when a program accesses the com port. windows 10 added integration of GPS systems like a phone where the GPS is there for any program to use. I found a piece of software that pulls the GPS data from the com port and translates that to windows 10 sensor data. Now the GPS works like a phone where you can enable and disable it by turning location on and off. This allows you to use windows (bing) maps with turn by turn navigation. Also google maps on chrome works, as does any other website that can pull location. http://www.turboirc.com/gps7/

 

On the mk6 I have here for repair, the bluetooth has to be on the wifi card.
The connector is not even on the pcb to plug a separate bluetooth module into.
No retrofit of the separate bluetooth module unless you swapped out the entire WWAN board with one from an older model. Then the BIOS might not see it.
This mk6 has a Intel 6205 in it now.

 

That's bad. For example, 6205 doesn't have bluetooth 3.0, so it's impossible to connect newest mice, doesn't support 802.11ac... Last mk6 I disassembled had only 1 RAM slot (and no rear camera) - strange configuration.
I will disassemble next mk6 after it dries (watertest and washing) )
Also looking for mk6 bios dump

 

What exact model of mk6 do you need a bios for?

 

According to this spec sheet
ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/pub/Panasonic/toughbook/specsheets/TB-19_ss.pdf

It uses the 6235 which is wireless N and bluetooth 4.0

The Intel 7260HMW would be the equivalent wireless AC card for the HMC PCIe slot. Not sure if the bios would support it though. You only get bluetooth 4.0 with the 7260, we would need an M.2 slot to be able to get the new 4.2 bluetooth.

 

You are right, it's 6235. I've tried to upgrade it to 7260 to get 802.11ac, but bluetooth didn't work. That was one of the reasons (second was 1 RAM slot) I'm on MK5

Shawn, CF-191HYAG1M

 

I had the same issue with bluetooth 4.0//7260 on a CF31.

official bios on Panasonic Japan
http://pc-dl.panasonic.co.jp/dl/docs/068630?dc[]=002003&no=2&p1=111&score=1.0&sri=10471060&trn_org=2

 

@shackwrrr :
now there is a neat idea ... not intending to derail this thread ... i have (once again) been looking for a GPS solution and 'nix is not going to be the answer for me .

 

With his solution wouldn't you need wifi or something to continuously download the maps?
Will Google save all the maps locally?

 

In windows 10 Bing maps is preloaded and you can chose to download offline maps. I have my veriozon account hooked up so it doesn't bother me as it's not my primary navigation device.

 

I'm trying this upgrade again )
So any WLAN card works, but only 6235 is visible and can be turned on/off in BIOS, both Wi-Fi and Bluetooth strings.
Intel 7260 (AC+bluetooth) or Atheros (AC+bluetooth) cards - no WLAN/Bluetooth options in BIOS, Wi-Fi works in OS, no bluetooth.
I've tried to cover pins - no success. Going to install WWAN PCB taken from MK3. It seems like an easy way, except for a lack of bluetooth antenna cable. I really don't want to disassemble this mk6 too much )

 

uuuggghhh ... W10 .

 

Same problem under Win7 and BIOS, so you don't have to get rattled ))

I don't want to repeat those retrofits with other mk6's, mk7 and mk8, so I think it would be good to find a way to install any WLAN+Bt card like we could do with <=MK5.

 

Did you only cover pin 51 or did you do both 51 and 20?

 

I am betting the problem is in the BIOS itself. You will probably need to re write some of the BIOS code.

 

One by one and both.

I'm sure you are right. So I'm looking for an application like spgobi or another code for optional kit config, like gobi's 04 )

 

I'm quoting myself )
Tried to install MK3 WWAN board into MK6. MK6 doesn't power on ) Only brightness indicator lights up, no more signs of life. Disconnected that board - ok.

 

I have decided to do a totally fresh install of Win 10 on this extra drive for my CF 19 mk6.
The final decision to try it was the ability to use the built in GPS with the Windows 10 navigation program.
I believe Windows uses the HERE maps (Navteq,Garmin,etc) I have always preferred those maps anyway.
Garmin Mobile PC requires a few hoops to jump to get it running. I am tired of the hoops.

It's a fully loaded 19 and I will use the mk7 drivers from Panasonic. 64bit only so I will need an 8gb ram chip.
After everything is verified working,
I will follow @Phoenix procedures to disable the "unneeded" extras.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nbr-windows-10-clean-installation-guide.781178/

I am downloading the USB x86/64 bit install direct from MS.
I wonder if I could get fancy and slipstream the CF 19 drivers into Win 10?..Only if it all works..

 

Mine has been running extremely well GPS works when I use the toggle built into windows. My only windows 10 issue is brightness. Windows overrides front panel switches and brightness only changes for a few seconds.

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easy to fix

 

shackwrrr... Sorry... I'm a late comer to this... What was the original OS installed on your CF-19?

 

Does the brightness stay adjusted when you set it in Windows?

GPS toggle? Please explain. Screenshots would be great.
I imagine I will need more info on that GPS tool you used.

How much ram do you have?
32bit or 64bit?
Finally, Did you use the official drivers?

 

So how do we fix that?

 

If it's what I am thinking... It has to do with installing the older video driver... Just like was needed on some CF-30/31 models when installing W7.

 

When I get to where I can sit down with the PC I'll be able to answer better.

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It seems my way of win10 installation was like that:
clean Win 8 installed on mk3 or mk4
hdd moved to mk5
- to mk3
upgrade to 8.1
hdd moved to mk5
upgrade to win10
hdd moved to mk6
- to mk7
- to mk6
upgrade to creator's update

Maybe even more laptops.
Not counting hdd-ssd-hdd-ssd and ram/wwan changes ))
No reinstallation since first time win8 in spite of hardware upgrades/downgrades. I'm too lazy for that ))
Extremely stable system ))

 

Good old method - install hotkey appendix and rename hkeyappv.dll

Re GPS toggle. I think it's about Win10 Action center.


And don't forget to use Win10 kb shortcuts like Win+x. After that you will not be able to use Win7 again ))

 

This win 7 install has been in many different laptops also. Figured it was time to start over.

 

It looks like slipstreaming drivers is possible by using the MSMG toolkit.
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/05/02/create-custom-windows-10-installations-with-msmg-toolkit/

It will also remove a lot of the bloat BEFORE the install of Win10.
I will try that later. First time I will use the standard MS release iso.

 

Win10 is up and running on the mk6.
Brightness button is wonky. I will cure that later. Changing brightness via Panasonic Dashboard app works fine.

I manually changed all the items recommended by Phoenix. Interesting learning experience. I did discover that most or all of those items are changed by the automatic Win10 cleaner programs. Still glad to do it manually at least once to learn what all is being done.

It auto activated once I finally turned the wifi on.
I recommend NO wifi until the install is complete.

A couple more tweaks and I will transfer the drive to the mk6 with gps, camera, and fingerprint. Then I can evaluate how those items function.

I did use the mk7 driver cab file although I extracted everything using 7zip. There are several extractions that need done. It is not as simple as the bundle packs. Maybe I am missing something on the cab install? If anyone knows, please chime in.

Right now the mk6 has 4gb ram. I am getting an 8gb chip and see if it works on a camera model. Win 10 runs and boots reasonably fast. Slow to shut down though.

I will need to adjust my thinking going to Win10. Adjust to using the touchscreen for navigation.

 

Late getting back to reply, long holiday weekend.

The brightness adjustment for me, if I adjust using the front panel buttons the brightness only changes for a few seconds and reverts back to what windows wants it to be. Also seems to be a couple brightness steps missing. I can change the brightness using the windows action center but only get 4 steps of brightness from 0-100% This has not bothered me much as I use the PC in pretty bright environments and full brightness is needed 99% of the time.

The GPS toggle I was referring to is the Action center "location" toggle. I can turn on active GPS usage using this toggle. I am using the user level driver https://www.turboirc.com/gps7/ to bridge the gap between the COM port based GPS and the windows sensor API. Using the very small piece of software it makes GPS access seamless. I can enable location in the windows action center and I am able to use GPS location in any application that is open. I have used it inside of Chrome with google maps and the built in Bing maps.

I did not use any MK7 drivers when I did mine, I used what windows 8 drivers that worked from MK6 and the rest are whatever windows used.

Mine still only has 4gb of RAM and is on 64bit windows. Even heavy use of google Chrome It runs very smoothly. My work provided laptop is a Lenovo e530 with a 2520M and 8gb and I think it runs very similar to the toughbook.

 

Unbelievable )
I had to use Chrome for a week on 4GB mk6 (+HDD, not SSD). It was an awful experience ))

Why?

 

I went by the linked install instructions and I agree.
Staying offline will prevent any updates or driver installs until I get the official Panasonic drivers installed and I disable anything that I prefer to not have running. Saves Windows from getting confused.

I want to have everything setup the way I prefer, THEN let Windows update and do it's thing.

 

Great input Shawn. Although I am not a windows user, I do have a MK-6 CF-19 that is now gathering dust. If I don't sell it locally, I might just pop in an SSD and see how it goes as you've (and others) have described above. But then, I'd have to send it to you for a custom gps install.

 

Mail it on over. I should still have a 19 gps setup

 

I did finally get Acronis to work.
Trick was to check the box to copy the drive signature to the new drive.

 

CF19 mk6. Camera model.
1 memory slot only.
8gb chip works.

I think this is UEFI/BIOS...sometimes it bypasses Panasonic screen and goes directly to win 10 boot.
I pulled the HDD to test 8gb chip. Rebooted and NO Panasonic screen. Instead I got text (style I have never seen before) stating no boot device found.

 

Finally got back to my mk6.
I installed a few tweaks such as oldnewexplorer and classic shell.
Then I tested gps/ win 10 maps with wifi off. It worked fine. Even gave 3 route choices.

Now I will test the 19 for a while.