My first razer blade

Hello everyone,

I finally bought my first RBA rtx2070. the problem is that my first gaming PC, so I have a lot to learn.


Can you give me advice?


What to install to better manage it, what tests to do to see if everything is working perfectly and in case to ask for a replacement if something is wrong in the right way.


I also heard about overclocking and undervolting, I know in general what it means, but where can I find more precise information to manage it better?


Thanks

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I think I saw you on Reddit asking around, just to add since it’s your first gaming laptop, buy guarantee minimum you want to have at least 2 years more is better.

 

yes man, I wrote here as you advised me unfortunately having purchased on Amazon the maximum is 2 + 1 years warranty

 

Wise decision So now stress it a lot under a month amazon refund policy. Did you get the softwares I recommended? Undervolting it by -130mV and run xtu stress test and benchmarks. Then next is 3Dmark, Firestrike and timespy, the beta version is free but enough for testing and knowing the performance.

 

unfortunately the package is still in shipping, it will arrive in a few days, so as soon as I do all this I'll tell you immediately

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@Joikansai has finally arrived! I did the undervolt at -130 and started the stress test with xtu, the results here, how do they look?

with temperatures between 66-69° and 1 time 70°

https://hwbot.org/xtu/share/1023083?clientVersion=6.4.1.25

 

these are the benchmark with 3d mark (timespy and fire strike) with undervolting -130mv

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34985141?

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/34984901?

 

Yes balanced mode I’m guessing, great at 70ish.

3Dmark as well out of box for 2070mq isn’t bad at all, it’s balanced mode? There’s 3 options on rtx model right? Creator, gaming and balanced I believe?
Try each mode and see score and temperature. If there’s still no reaching mid 90ish on cpu you can try overclocking manually using afterburner.

 

I just tried to play RE2 in ultra and after 10 min these were the statistics:
-gpu1 76° 43%
-Cpu 82-87° 21%
-ram 7510mb
-60fps stable


How can I change different rtx mode?

 

There’re 3 performance mode on Synapse.
About RE2 Remake I think you can even play 1440p and get 60fps, your gpu usage seems too low, higher is better for gpu usage means it’s effectively being used.

 

I put it to ultra and the settings said that 13GB were needed while I have 8GB, is it normal? How many degrees can GPU and CPU get since I was at 87 now? anyway okay, tomorrow I try the other 2 modes with the test bench. thanks always my friend

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Yesterday in gaming mode the CPU reached temperatures of 98 degrees with Dmc 5 at ultra settings, remaining fixed between 84 and 92 . Too much, really?

for the tests with the other 2 modes with 3d Mark I don't know how to do it because the 3d mark that I downloaded from steam allows me to do the test only once.


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It's pretty hot, but within the safe specifications of the chip, which is rated for 100 degrees. Once it hits that it will automatically reduce power and downclock itself to reduce thermals.

This is all a case of balance. While you want your machine to perform at the highest level, you want it to last as long as possible as well and the longer it spends near 100 degrees, the shorter the potential life span.

A high of 98 degrees is nothing to panic about, however you can still reduce that heat without needing to open up the case and look at repasting. You could try increasing the underclock offset from -130mv. I would work in increments of 5, so try -135mv next. You should always match this with the identical number in CPU cache. This is giving less voltage to the CPU so once you reach a certain point it can cause instability and BSODs hence the small incremental changes, however it is safe and won't cause any damage. Some people have had success going as low as the -160 mark so feel free to test.

You can also do the same with the iGPU offset, however I would start at around -30mv and work from there, again in increments of 5. People have reported stability as low as the -60mv mark. As with the CPU, you should pair this figure with the iGPU unslice.

If you're not already I would suggest using ThrottleStop over the intel XTU app. It has far more functionality and is well recognised and supported on these forums.

Good luck and let us know how you get on

 

thanks a lot for your advice, I just passed to throttlestop and I set the CPU to -130mv, until yesterday I do it only with XTU, now I try with throttlestop.
like you said if I still have too high temperature, I go down to -135 and so on.
the GPU seemed to me no hotter than 76 degrees, is it acceptable?

where can I find a guide to use hwinfo well, because I installed it but I can't use it.

 

Yes, just remember to do CPU cache as the same number as CPU.

76 degrees sounds pretty reasonable for the graphics card and well within safe levels.

HWINFO is fairly easy to use. When I open it I select sensors only, which brings up all your temps and clock speeds etc. Are you having trouble using it?

 

For DmC 5 I use balanced mode and manual Fans profile (me at 4800rpm) it’s limiting cpu wattage lower to get better temperature. Performance loose isn’t huge. It’s still 100fps more I think on this game max setting 1080p on your model, I get also over 100fps with 1070mq. Temperature between 84 and 92 is fine as long it not stay long in 90ish.

 

I didn't insert any of the 2 that pop up

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yes, more often I was below 90 degrees. how do you manually mod the fans? with msi afterburner I don't have the fan tab

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You can adjust the fans in the Razer Synapse software

 

do you have 4k version

 

I do, yes. Or are you asking Gianlucadbl?

 

no anyone really

has is your backlight bleed I know a lot of people don't care, or they do have but they do not notice

as I heard razers have bad backlight bleed

 

I have the full HD 144hz, it did not seem to have it, or if there is no note.

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I have a little IPS glow, only really noticeable on a black screen in a dark room, but no real backlight bleed. Overall a pretty good panel. The colour accuracy is superb on the 4K panel and it looks gorgeous

 

Is there a guide about how to use?

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@Joikansai new benchmarks made with gaming mode are slightly better. The maximum temperatures were 80 °.
Yesterday I tried again on RE 2 and Dmc 5, I don't know if it was throttlestop, but the temperatures were definitely better, with peaks of 80-82 °, but not always.
Game on a monitor 29 "21: 9 Is it normal that performance (fps) is reduced?
Later I try in performance mode.

now I'm noticing the coil whine more, do you have it too?


https://ibb.co/vPc333C
https://ibb.co/hDwgp3r
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That’s great temperature, gaming mode give more performance to cpu and gpu so it’s expected. You still can improve it though since there’s still cpu and gpu thermal room by using manual overclocking with afterburner. Less FPS on ultrawide 21:9 is also expected, you push more pixel than your Blade 1080p 16:9.
Coil whine maybe there depends unit, is it noticeable on idle or when max load? It’s actually not coil whine on mine it’s high pitch noise that is produced by minimum airflow output inside the laptop that made “flutes” effect, I can reduce it by lowering fans rpm to 4800rpm from max, still there but on that level in my case will be covered by gaming sound. This high pitch sound happens also on other thin light gaming laptops like Aero 15, MSI gs65. On idle I can’t notice coil whine, but when connected to external monitor I could, if I put my ears near keyboard, hdmi and DP connected to nvidia dgpu, that make fan more aggressive.

 

I didn't notice the coil whine before, but now I feel it much more under stress and in idle conditions, particularly if there are no other sounds around, it's very annoying, is it possible that it's given by the ssd? because I have read that it is a possibility, given that soon I will replace it I will see if there are improvements. otherwise the only possibility is to ask for a replacement to amazon?

about the gpu and cpu overclocking you mentioned, is it a way to get better results at the same temperatures?

I'm continuing to carry out undervolting now I'm at -140mv and I haven't had any instability problems, I keep increasing it? should I do it for the GPU too?

sorry for the many questions but unfortunately I can't find complete information around the web.

 

Coil whine can be reduced by not using the parts that may occur it, mostly from gpu on Blade 2018, so using balanced mode on idle, not using DP and hdmi make it completely gone in my condition. Yes ssd can also make coil whine in 2019, which I found honestly weird because it use same ssd with 2018 model pm981 on top 512gb and pm 961? on 256gb model. There’s actually a bit better gpu performance using original ssd that I noticed on 2018 model, it may related to this, users thought that ssd made the coil whine but actually by changing ssd, setting with ssd and Hardware on ec Firmware maybe changed and as result lower gpu performance with less/ no coil whine.
No, overclocking stress cpu and gpu more because you use higher frequency, it’ll result higher temperatures than without. You can try repasting it with better compound and get better thermal head room for overclocking though. I’m still on factory default paste since I can manage it to not running hot by software like xtu, Synapse, or bios moding (if I need it).
I don’t undervolting the gpu yet because gpu is always on safety temperature areas, only cpu. Even with max overclocking gpu never reach mid 80ish, unlike the cpu.

 

Take care with continuous underclocking. You should be doing it in small increments and then testing thoroughly that your device is stable. The TS bench mark is a good starting point.

Run tests for your undervolt at 64, 256 and 1024m. If you get any errors at all then your underclock is unstable. As a rule of thumb I will usually do the first test for 64m up to 10 times to make sure there are no errors and then 256 and 1024 once. This is simply because 64m is much faster and just passing the test once doesn't guarantee stability.

Even then this doesn't guarantee full stability. You may have certain apps that tax the processor heavily and can crash easily with an undervolt. I personally find that Adobe Premiere is one such app and if I still get crashing I will slightly increase the voltage to prevent this.

I use my machine for work so I can't risk any stability, however the occasional blue screen might not be such a concern for you. That said, any blue screens risk corrupting system files so should be avoided as much as possible.

With the GPU overclocking there is no way you can do this and not generate higher temps. You are asking the chip to do more which will pull more voltage. Unless you really need the extra FPS I wouldn't bother to keep pushing this.

 

64, 256 and 1024 are minute?


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No they are size. If you click on TS Bench on the first screen of Throttlestop, it will open the bench mark app. Here you can select one of the three different size options and then press start. The progress will start increasing in time until it either hits 100% or generates an error. If you see error, your system is unstable.

 

with -140mv

https://ibb.co/nPYMDf8

 

That's great. Try doing the small 64m test 10 times in a row and if you get no errors with that then maybe you can try -145mv

 

why does the cpu work so low? in other tests it was about 3800mhz, but now it remains at 2800m

https://ibb.co/861Cpn2

 

Just like on game, cores frequency won’t stay at 3,9ghz max. And on synapse balanced mode it lowers the tdp that made it on some case rarely hits 3,9, on gaming mode with higher tdp it’ll hits 3,9 more often. On synthetic benchmark like that cpu on graphics test would be less used take a look at physical benchmark scene, it hits higher frequency and the last combined (cpu and gpu) Test as well.

 

Is it possible that I had made an excessive undervolt? because resetting from -140mv (with those low results) to -130mv I returned to having better scores with the cpu that returned to higher values (unfortunately also with the temperature)

 

That means -130mV is your stable value. Yes lower voltage means lower temperature but doesn’t mean better performance. I’d stay with -130 one. On synthetic benchmarks like 3Dmark I could also lower it to -160mV but on gaming usage it’s sometimes crash or doesn’t perform well.

 

I don't know what's happening but in the last 2 days the temperatures remain very high, between 75 (at the beginning) and 95 degrees. Now that the undervoltt was made what other attempt can you make to always stay within certain limits? I have read that temperatures drop very low with minimal performance losses, turning off the turbo boost, is this a possibility?

in addition, it also seems to me that just turned on and inactive is between 49 and 61 degrees, while before it was always below 50 and sometimes even below 40

 

No if you didn’t limiting Turbo Boost, it’ll spike to highest temperature points even you use power limitation with synapse Balanced, but it depends on the game like far cry, SoTR, AC Oddysey can spike it to 90ish on long session games.
Did you use xtu or throttlestop? Those two has bad compatibility each other, make sure only run one. And xtu may reset undervolting value to default 0, in order to keep undervolting value always on your preferred voltage there’s workaround, here.
If you want limiting Turbo Boost the best way is using throttlestop, by lowering cores amplifier to like 39 39 37 37 36 36, or lower. If you don’t use throttlestop go to power options, advanced setting, limit max processors state to 99%, or completely disable it by clicking disable turbo boost on Intel XTU (on throttlestop is also same one click disabling it) with lower FPS noticeable on cpu demanding titles.

 

Throttlestop: -145mv CPU (both), -50mv iGPU, Core to 38 38 36 36 35 35. stability test all perfect. temperatures? always the same, up to 84 degrees in 5-10 minutes of play with RE2. Despite all this the fps have remained unchanged, all very high. I don't know what to do, practically I can't play, or I always have to be very careful



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Finally!
Lower set cores, undervolting cpu -130mv, I set multiple profiles on throttlestop, with safe profile switches when too high temperatures are reached.
The performance remained the same on the external monitor with fixed 75fps as before, later I'll try on the razer monitor. we hope well!!
the max cpu temperature was 80-81, but only spikes.
most of the time below 76 degrees.

All at max settings

https://ibb.co/QpTkdd0
https://ibb.co/X8w9DSn

This without external monitor:

https://ibb.co/Cw8v8Pw