Razer Blade 15.6" (GTX 1060/1070, 2018 edition) Owner's Lounge

Damn, you made me want to open my Blade , honestly I’m good since I’ve also similar Firestrike overall score on gaming mode 14,6K only one or two cores went to low 90ish, no throttling stated though, I use balance mode that around 13,4K because it drop those cpu to max 84. I’m too lazy opening the Blade, do repasting etc usually after 2 years or so after I’ve to dusting my laptops Fans...or should let Razer doing that since I think here in EU repair center isn’t directly by Razer and write the letter with shim attached to repair man

 

So I was wondering if anyone can confirm that the drive supports sata? I noticed people talking about this earlier in the thread but no one officially confirmed it.

 

Wonder when 32 GB RAM versions would become available in the UK.

 

It’s not available online. It’s only available in-store. They might try to not allow you to buy it as it’s meant to be for commercial laptops, but quite a lot of us have gotten it (me included). You have to bring your new RB15 into the store for them to see it before you can buy the warranty (together with the MS receipt). They can link the warranty and the laptop on their system.

 

I think the warranty is also available for student discounted machines, the rep in store when I got mine had given me the student 10% off which may have "unlocked" the 4-year protection as well.

 

There are no 32gb ram versions you have to do the upgrade yourself.

 

So here are my results. This time it was over 70c... Dunno why. Maybe the lm spill out or anything else. I will check it up later. Anyway i think its still way better than any other results i saw here. This is with 140mV undervolt, gaming mode and max fan. Ambient is at 22c.
No Laptop-Cooler or any other "cheats" like lowering max clocks (3.9GHz all the time on all cores).


I played yesterday a lot of warhammer vermintide 2 (all on max) and while the average temps are at 70-75c it still maxes out over 90c. Does some1 else play vermintide 2 and got some temps to compare?

 

I remember posting first temperature out of box running Firestrike and most members here didn’t believe since it was I think 70ish max, but now it’s low 80ish on balance mode with gaming mode some core went to 90, similar score as yours and no thermal throttle shows. That’s great temperature on Firestrike you have. I’m doing Far Cry 5 and AC Origins in last DLC pharaoh curse, my avarage temperature also high 70ish with one or two cores hitting low 90ish on balanced mode fans on 4600, max 5000 fans on mine caused coil whine sometimes. I’ve that game from intel free game that came with my previous Blade never play it since it’s not my type of game but I’ll look that when I’ve time. Anyway on other light games like Overwatch, when I push all setting on max in gaming mode I think cpu temperature will also goes to 90ish.

 

Any updates on a fix for the 35 W CPU power limit? Having currently a Razer Blade 15 and an MSI GS65 together and honestly the Razer has way more issues.

Even if the Razer more sturdy and looks better, the MSI just works.. Undervolting helped a bit, but not as much on the MSI.. In general the GS65 is far better than I expected after reading some comments / reviews. Case is not as flex as I thought, touchpad is fine and keyboard, temperature and noise level are better than the Razer one.. Having a hard time atm to justify the 500 € more for the Razer

 

Thanks for the feedback - so you prefer the MSI keyboard, temps and noise - anything else? You mention the MSI just "works" - what is it about the Razer that doesn't work?

 

Not hear it yet but I think it’s due thermal matters that made it back to 35 Watt. How about gaming performance? Does MSI as well powerful as Blade 15? I get above average gaming FPS btw even on balance mode like on AC Origins and Far Cry 5. I remember last year when Blade 14 released, there’s also user that had both Blade 14 and MSI stealth, went with MSI, I think it was also because the temperature, and after founding issues on MSI stealth he’s going back again to Blade, and made YouTube video about how to increase performance on 2017 14 model after asking things on Razer forum. Yes MSI is good in price, I admit it though.

 

Basically CPU power limit throttling is the thing that's most troubling me and the price tag. (Maybe I am just too anxious, but for my daily tasks CPU performance is more important than GPU one).

Hm, the MSI doesn't go down to 35W and I see the power throttling even when temperatures are in the 70s / low 80s on the Razer. Else wise don't see much differences in terms of performance between them in gaming. Temperature and noise is a bit lower on the MSI though, but both are doing well in this area.

Tough decision, gut wise I prefer the Razer (because of build and design, which I value very high), but the GS65 is not so much behind it as I thought and feeling more mature...

 

Guys what you think if there was a grill along the egde of the battery from the SSD to the WiFi card?

To test this theory you could remove the bottom panel and raise it up same height as if you had it on.
Then test the temps.

Is there anyone out there who fancies drilling little homes in the bottom cover say around the SSD?
Also there still isn't any stock so I would not be surprised if they are doing tweaks to the unit before production resumes.

 

[I was asked to repost this here. The standalone thread is here.]

I had some time to sit down and try several combinations of settings on Throttlestop. I thought I would share my results here. I welcome suggestions of other tweaks I should make. The final columns show the FPS results for Graphics Test 1, Graphics Test 2, Physics Test, and Combined Test - all on 3DMark FireStrike.

All tests were performed on AC power with Synapse set to "Performance/Gaming." The RAM has been upgraded to 32GB HyperX. You can ignore the labels in the first column. Those were just my labels to keep the tests straight.

It looks to me like the sweet spot is the fourth one. I haven't pushed the undervoting any further because I'm concerned about diminishing returns.

I'll likely use the fifth setting when I'm on battery. I'm using those settings right now, and getting an estimated ~7.5 hours of use doing basic productivity work on battery.

Undervolting Results - No Repaste - Raxer 15.6 (2018) by cjoshuav posted Jul 14, 2018 at 12:19 PM

 

Hi everybody,

my second device went back, I got the 1070 one with 256gb SSD, again, from my point of view massive backlight bleed...

 

This looks like IPS glow that you get when taking pictures at favorable angles. There is a bit of bleed in the bottom for sure but its hard to tell through pictures.

 

Nah, I don't think so, here's another photo:

So, even with blue background the bleed is really seeable, even without camera in a well lighted room

 

I need to note: The backlight bleed got far better during opening up the lid, seems like the screen isn't perfect fit in the lid, like a bit cramped.

 

To me, that blue backlight picture seems not bad. The black background shots are always worse than in reality. But each to their own.

 

Good thing about the GS65, is that the bios can be unlocked. You can add offset to the wattage reported to let the CPU think that the package power is not reaching 45W when the actual is more than 50+W. There's no throttling unless it's reaching the max temperature. (You can adjust max temp limit too) .

Just an example, this is with offset -21.999W in the BIOS, reporting only 30.6W, x39 can go full time if temperature is well controlled.

 

That'll be handy when the screen falls off

 

or melt all that cheap plastic haha

 

I wonder if a Graphite Thermal Pad would be a good solution in this case. Been following that thread for some time but results seem to vary.

 

Have yet to see one mate. But when it comes to CPU performance that's how big the difference is. 35W vs more than 45W, man up for a few seconds and man up forever. I'm sure the difference is day and night.

 

Then you haven't looked hard enough.

 

Care to share your link?

 

i dont believe its the hinge being tight its the bottom panel rubbing against thin back edge of the bottom below the panel lies, try putting a thin soft washer on the back two holes below the back panel where you screw the crews in on the right and left side so they are even. worked for me just try to find very thin soft washers

 

This is benchmarks from my 35 Watt Blade 15, do you have any source that 45 Watt similar laptop with same performance? And I noticed also gaming benchmarks is similar on balanced mode or even above in some games compared to notebookcheck games FPS average on 1070 maxq laptops, with gaming mode the difference is more noticeable.
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/15771231
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/27184677
I believe the mobo can handle 45 Watt but for some reason, maybe thermal it is set to 35 Watt after several seconds on 45 watt, and it’s not due thermal throttling. Since for some games it already hits low 90ish, I think I don’t need 45 Watt. But maybe on eGPU setting I do need that since on that setting I’ve room for cooling and my cpu never hits 80ish.

 

I read one case on reddit and seen one reviewer who showed the hinge coming apart on the 65.

As an old GS73 user in which this happened to as well, that was enough to shift me away from MSI. I get that hinge issues can be a problem for any laptop but MSI seems to have a lot of them, and when something like that's happened to you personally it kinda makes you weary. Just like how a lot of people are weary to grab the Razer over past CS or QC issues etc.

 

If anyone is looking to upgrade their SSDs Amazon has the western digital 2tb SATA drive on sale today for 379.99. (U.s)

 

Just finished doing LM on CPU and GPU. Here's just a couple of results to share:

Ambient temp 20c. -140mV undervolt.

Stock: Prime 95 (25 min run) CPU max temp on small FTT's: 78c

LM: Prime 95 (25 min run) CPU max temp on small FTT's: 68c

Stock 3D Mark Physics score: 11,190 (Not undervolted)

LM 3D Mark Physics score: 14,428


Definitely a great improvement with LM.

 

You already were fine before repasting:

" Stock: Prime 95 (25 min run) CPU max temp on small FTT's: 78c"

That's a great temperature, and you could have easier enjoyed your laptop for a long time without repasting...

The extra temperature drop doesn't buy any extra performance, and adds additional re-pastings over your ownership of the laptop, and over the ownership of everyone that owns the laptop after you.

You already undervolted to stop thermal throttling, and it looks like a large enough undervolt to stop power throttling, so IDK what explains the score difference for the 3dmark Physics scores.

The 3dmark Physics score differential must be due to something else, as 78c isn't going to thermal throttle or reduce performance any more than 68c is going to improve performance. It would have been nice to have temperature / frequency logs from those 3dmark Physics runs too to.

The score difference almost looks like the difference between balanced and high performance power plan runs, but the difference is too great, so something else was going on. Where you undervolted on the stock run? If you weren't that could make the difference.

The original paste is designed to last for years without replacement.

Update: Ah, no undervolt on stock 3dmark run, so that explains the score difference. It also goes to show that undervolt isn't just for 10c thermal drop, it's also for performance improvement due to the potential to stop both thermal throttling and power throttling power loss.

 

10c drop is an awful nice drop in fan rpm.

 

I should have clarified that the 'stock' results where not undervolted for the 3D Mark. I was undervolted for both of the Prime results. Sorry about that.

Damn right!

 

Well sorry to hear what happen to your rig, hopefully this doesn't happen to the GS65. However, I'm quite surprised that how freely the tweaking level to the GS65 can be done with this thin body, such as fooling the CPU to run at full speed forever or overclocking and overvolting the RAM. You can turn 8750H into 2 cores max for single core performance too.

 

Your physics score even with lm is way to low. A normal 8750H gets around 16500 in physics. I think you limited the max frequency and thats why your Temps where that good at Stock.

 

Hello everybody,

yesturday i repasted (grizzly kry) my Razer Blade 15 and i also replaced the thermal pads aswell. I will test it these days and will give you an update about the temps. I took a picture of the heatpipe and the motherboard and I have made markings where I have attached the thermal pads with a thickness of 1.5 mm.
The pictures only show different perspectives. I have not attached thermal pads with 1,5 mm each.

 

I wonder if the IMON offset and or slope works on the RB15 with an unlocked BIOS as well.

 

Ah, no undervolt on stock 3dmark run, so that explains the score difference.

It also goes to show that undervolt isn't just for 10c thermal drop, it's also for performance improvement due to the potential to stop both thermal throttling and power throttling power loss.

That's a nice performance gain from undervolting. Which is why you want to do it before re-pasting, if you get that performance gain + 10c lower temps, there's no need to re-paste.

 

Yes, and according to his update, he got a 10c reduction from undervolting before re-pasting. 78c before repasting was enough to stop thermal throttling, power throttling, get a large increase in his 3dmark score, and would have been enough tuning to remove the need to re-paste.

The fan's would have been quiet enough at 78c.

 

Had a couple of questions, hopefully someone could help.

1) Is anyone experiencing any QA issues such as uneven feet/laptop not balancing flat, backlight bleed or otherwise? I know this was an issue on some other Blades.
2) When not gaming, what is the noise like when just browsing or doing light work? Would you be comfortable to use it in a library or a school/university setting?

 

1. My unit has a little backlight bleed which you can only notice in black screens. The power supply has a little crackle sound, but I can only hear it if I put my ear about a foot or two near it. No real world impact on me for those two minor issues. No other QA issues. Keyboard feels great, balance is perfect.
2. It's very quiet when doing light work. Either silent or the occasional fan pops on when something comes on in the background, but it's certainly fine for a library or educational setting. Don't game in class though...

 

Hi All,

I still hesitate between Razer 15 and GS65... I'm wonder how the Razer is louder than GS65 while gaming...
Is someone has the chance to test the same game on both laptop to check this ?
I understand the Razer can be louder, but is it its max performance cooling which is better or is it louder for the same task ?
And how it is ? Just a little bit ? Or heavily noticeable ? I don't plan to play with headset.

I would like Razer but at the end it's $800 more than GS65...
+$300 for the laptop + $250 (Microsoft Warranty because Razer support and reliability looks really bad) + $400 to swap the HD for 1 To (for GS65, it's just +$250 because there is a second socket to add only 512 Go)..

Thank you.

 

Thought I'd reply to this as it may help you a little more to make your mind up.
You are getting better default gear with the razer, GS65 ships with SSD no nvme. Razer has the yet to be release next gen Samsung top of range nvme drive.
[ I would just buy the 512GB Razer upgrade option, then in future when 2TB has dropped to a couple hundred $ then if you need then swap it].

GS65 is 2400mhz the Razer is 2666mhz not sure how much better the memory is but I would thinks its of a higher quality.

Warranty - always nice to have extra but Razer seems to have upped there support game and I am not seeing anyone having any issues other than stock replacement shortage.

Upgrading Razer and Re-paste is easy, the GS65 is very difficult.
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Noise, you don't say why you want the thin laptops, I assume its portability and you use a screen when at home.
If that is the case, if you raise the razer of the table a bit, it won't have to struggle to get air into the fans and should reduce noise.
The tips for under volting etc will also achieve the same.

Hope this helps a bit and is just my opinion.

 

I like how the laptop is being treated with respect and has its own bed.
Where do you sleep?

 

I have three questions, hopefully someone could help.
1. On my RB(GTX1070, 144hz), Intel XTU complains thermal throttling, and the part above the function keys is very hot, even after repasting thermal compound. Is there anyone experiencing the same issue?
2. I'm going to replace thermal pads stuck on the heatsink to solve the thermal throttling. Will it work?
3. Which thickness of thermal pads should I use? I forgot to check the thickness when repasting.

 

razer blade 15 best laptop ever, that is all

 

also

the battery saving profile on this is awesome, would recommend any owner of the blade 15 to set this when you unplug

 

For Throttlestop, is there a way to have it auto shift profile when unplugged or has to be manual toggle?

 

mine automatically switches to the battery profile when i unplug my laptop and have throttle stop running in the background