Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016) Owner's Lounge

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Please use this thread to discuss the latest Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016).

Tech Spec:

 

Official Razer Launch Trailer & Product Page:

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-pro

 

Engadget news article:

https://www.engadget.com/2016/10/20/razers-new-blade-pro-laptop-houses-a-mechanical-keyboard/

 

I'm okay and happy with everything on this system except for that Mirror of a Display he's got on it. During the release video you could see his face on that monitor perfectly because the glare was so god awful on it, with that indoor stage lighting.

I'm lost and confused on why he would discuss the Razer Blade, and state "We listened to the community and porvided them with a Matte Screen" But because we're so smart when we release are pro system with top of the line everything, we don't want to listen to the community here and just offer an awful screen with a glare.... I mean wtf? And on top of that it's not like you're extremely limited on the number of manufacturers for a 17.3 inch screen..... The past Razer Blade Pros didn't have this Glare Touchscreen, and I don't recall any of the owners saying "Oh I really want a touchscren" It was just give us a beefier GPU (Thank You for the 1080, btw) ... Touchscreen desktops haven't gone anywhere and no one has been asking for it. If this truly is a desktop replacement like Ming has been lamenting about for the whole video, why are you bringing in touchscreen? No one else is doing that...

PS: Love how the audience all went silent or gasped when he announced the price tag on the system, and Ming tried to recover that awkward moment by saying something about being breathless or speechless. I personally found that to be pretty comical.

 

My buddy had last year's 970M 3GB 14" and really liked it; but ultimately switched it out for a Surface because there wasn't enough power there to compensate for the ****ty battery life and loud fans. He currently has a 1080p 1060 14" on order, and it should be here in a week or so. I have a 15" rMBP and am excited for Apple's announcement next week, and will probably stick with that.

With all that said, we are both VERY impressed with this machine. Seriously, Razer knocked it out of the f-ing park, IMO.

I mean - it's go EVERYTHING you could want in a portable, high-end gaming machine.

Best GPU
Top-tier CPU
Double the typical RAM amount
plenty of I/O, including HDMI and SD
a big, awesome trackpad and a mechanical keyboard that doesn't look ridiculous
4K/IPS/G-Sync
RAID 0 NVMe SSDs
THIN & (relatively) LIGHT
Custom cooling


Really, IMO, the only negatives I see for this kind of machine are that damn stupid logo on the lid, the glossy screen, and I don't care for the trackpad placement.

I'll never get one, because I can't really handle a 7lb, 17" monster - and I'm sure the battery life will be sub 4hrs even when not gaming. But if you were looking at big, bulky, top end Aurous, Clevo, Sager, Alienware, MSI machines... if you have the $$$, the razer is definitely the best of the lot.

 

my reaction when the cpu is 6700HQ





at least use the 6820HK if you're going to make a "gaming" laptop


@Mr. Fox @Phoenix @Papusan

 

Honestly, I am not entirely sure the cooling is up to par for the 1080. That thing gets insanely hot. It runs near throttling temps on far better cooling systems. Also the CPU is weak for that GPU, but should be enough for 60fps at least.

Obviously the main attraction is the thin/light frame anyways. I just hope it is not hot enough to cause a subpar experience.

But personally, Razer is the weakest of the 17 inch "monsters" by virtue of most likely being the worst performance. When you are looking at huge laptops with the 1080, you look for power, not thin an light. I bet a 1070 would have been a much better choice for such a machine.

That, and the competition is cheaper (just not thin hahahah).

 

It just dawned on me that I could buy a lower end model of a Razer Blade, get the Core and a Desktop1080 with more future upgrade possibilities and still come under the cost of a RazeBlade Pro? Is that accurate?

 

with the razer blade 1080 still having the garbage 6700HQ, I don't see why you wouldn't do that

use the saved money to get a nice monitor while you're at it

 

Oh because I absolutely love that mechanical keyboard and am willing to pay an additional $1000 for that thing because they spent millions upon millions to design and build it.

~Said absolutely no one....

 

Very true. The biggest downers are the chances of getting bottlenecks in games that utilize the cpu, and after the main one being, the PRICE.
For that much money you can get a system with 2x 1080s. Not thinking about socketes or soldered cpu's. Plus way more storage.
But this might appeal to people who need something super thin. IMHO if I was in the market for something thin with a 1080, I would rather go Alienware/Aorus.

 

6700Hq isn't better than the medium Haswell mobile from early 2013. Skylake run only cooler, but Haswell i7 will do the same if you use a proper paste. And i7-48xxMq/Bga have 4 unlocked bins as well. 6700Hq is fully locked 3.1 GHz on all 4 cores. Amazing progression from previous Haswell Even the low entry i7-47xxMq from Intel has unlocked bins.

 

Nothing has been more of a joy than having my Razer for portability. That being said I'd choose this for on the go over literally any other model on the market. My clevo has become a desktop replacement. Still have room for both in my life.


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As nice as it is, I can't justify that price for a 6700HQ and potentially horrible cooling + really loud fan noise. $1000+ premium for a mechanical keyboard with fancy lighting and a right handed touchpad + scroll wheel? I'd probably just get a Blade Pro for the office and a desktop with a 1080 for home use and still come out on top.

 

It probably is slower than my 4720HQ at 3.6ghz on all 4 cores.

 

remember that HQ cannot pull more than 45w over extended period of time
defect by design

I think you can only get to more than 45w tdp bull for less than a minute


so yeah :|

 

Who do you think you are referring to, my friend? My 4720HQ is not bound by such silly limits. Well, it is, but not if you blindfold the CPU

Modded BIOS makes the system think it is drawing half of what it is, so I never reach the TDP even on turbo, and can turbo indefinitelly.

 

I need a link to this video. This post made me LOL!!

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Skylake has about 11% IPC improvement in multi-threaded over older Haswell. So a pitiful fully locked mobile Skylake @3.1 GHz vs. 3 years older Haswell with 3.6 GHz across all cores will not give Skylake any benefit. Rather the opposite. 6700Hq is probably the worst low entry i7 from Intel in long time. Not a single bin extra for overclocking. What a waste

I don't think you can fix 6700Hq with modded firmware or other tricks. You are stuck with the trash!!

 

I think you said this wrong you mean Razer Blade (1060) right?

 

I did say it wrong, my bad


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kk, no hard feelings, just wanted to clarify cause I myself am going to do the same thing.

 

ooh interesting

I guess it's from svet?

but it's able to hold boost clock indefinitely without bios mods, so that's a plus over haswell

 

Some innovations noticeable in the 2016 Razer Blade Pro keyboard layout:

• (On keycaps, shifted key character is printed below rather than above the unshifted key character.)
  
  
• Dedicated media keys. I wonder whether the ⏮ (|<<) and ⏭ (>>|) keys can easily be mapped to 'Home' and 'End' keys for text line and spreadsheet row editing. I wonder if the volume roller can also be used for page scrolling like a mouse wheel, or for middle-click like a mouse wheel.
  
  
• Right-Fn key. Good, helps make Fn a more usable modifier key for touch typists, and makes one-handed Fn key presses on the right side of the keyboard possible. (For example, if Razer uses the same Fn-arrow keys for Home End PgUp and PgDn as other manufacturers, even though they are not printed on the key.)

• ˄ (up-arrow) between '/' and Right-Shift. I wonder whether the ˄ (up-arrow) and Right-Shift keys can be swapped, if not this might be a serious problem for touch typists. However, some European keyboards have a character between the left shift key and 'Z', so people have adapted with a little more wrist action. Some Lenovo keyboards (such as Flex4 14) also use this arrow key placement, so Lenovo cooperation appears evident.
  
  
• ZXCVB row keys moved slightly to the left. Seems good for touch typing, as typists need less sideways movement to move from the home row ASDF to type a ZXCV row key. (In most QWERTY keyboards, '2' is centered between 'Q' and 'W', and 'Z' is centered between 'A' and 'S', but Razer has moved 'Z' is to the left of the center between 'A', and 'S'.) Might be a slight problem for people who switch between multiple keyboards, and as a result more often make "fat-fingered" typos hitting an adjacent key in addition to the intended key.

 

I just read online (and it wasn't mentioned at the press conference) but the Blade Pro currently doesn't support the Razer Core external GPU enclosure. That scares me a bit despite the fact that I want this machine. Hopefully they get them working well together!


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Razer Blade Pro (2016) key features explained by Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan
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Published on Oct 20, 2016
"Min-Liang Tan presents the all new 17-inch Razer Blade Pro 2016 with Intel i7 quadcore CPU, Geforce GTX 1080, 4K Display and machanical keyboard."

 

Thanks for posting that video HMSCOTT, I noticed that there are no distinctive mouse buttons on the trackpad, does the whole thing come down like that of a Macbook? And that glare still makes me and on Que I can see Ming Jobs face perfectly on that screen close to the 1:00 marker.

 

Here's another video, maybe a bit better videography too

Razer Blade Pro will devour your wallet

 

Official presentation of the Razer Blade Pro (2016) by Min-Liang Tan in Berlin

 

20:20, the reaction of the media to the price is Golden... and then he says 'Did someone faint?' Y ea Ming Jobs, they fainted because the system is so amazing, keep telling yourself that... Gotta love his audacity to phrase it like "You can have all of this for JUST 4199 Euros.... lol.... haha... please... He even adds the phrase "Think about it..." this is 101 for a BAD sales pitch or end note, because anyone who has half a brain or logic will actually think about it and then use the proper logic to say this thing is too expensive especially after they start making their comparisons such as (I could just about own two razer blades with a 1060 for the price of this thing or I could own a razer blade 1060, a core, a desktop 1080 and a monitor and still come out about even with this thing ....)

Sorry... /Rant off

 

Holy Glare Batman!!! I can see myself!! Now if my Razer Blade Pro comes with Ming Job's face on it like that I would gladly pay $5000 for that limited edition system...

 

Great Article or Q/A about the Razer Blade Pro with Min-Liang Jobs: http://www.techradar.com/news/razer...never-design-something-like-the-predator-21-x

Personally I think it's somewhat odd that he thinks other gaming laptop manufacturers copy his design while alot of people think he simply copies his own designs from Apple Computers... I don't know it's just somewhat ironic, I still really like Razer and their products but something seems aloof

 

The i7 6700HQ is such a substantial bottleneck for a GTX 1080. This actually would be a super laptop if they would include a 6820HK clocked at 4GHz.

 

It will never happen when they use the s****ty cooling system like that

 

Keyboard:


Mainboard:

 

This system is going to throttle to no end. And i have a feeling the vBIOS on the 1080 will drop the clocks way more aggressively to keep the temps in check.
End of the day even if people are able to live with it. the price seems to be a little hard to swallow.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty skeptical of that cooling design. The cooling on my GS73VR is about as ham as you can go on such a thin laptop and CPU and GPU still hit the 80's pretty easily. The cooler on the Blade Pro looks even skimpier. Will be a miracle of engineering if this thing runs at full spec. Those fans will be running like jet engines in any 3D app.

 

Glad this is being discussed on a non biased forum. If you suggest there might be throttling on Razer's forum, they all tell you the cooling system is upgraded and it won't happen. Seeing the size of those fans and lack of heat pipes, I just don't see how that's possible. I also own a GS73vr and I can't see fitting a 1070 into something that thin, let alone a 1080. We'll all see soon enough, but I'm not spending that kind of cash on a system that overheats and throttles.

 

It is a pity not Razer used 6820Hk. Then would this become a complete farce Is this cooling designed by Apple? The cooling suit perhaps for 6300Hq and Gtx 1060

 

Btw, the images I shared were pulled from this article: http://venturebeat.com/2016/10/21/hands-on-with-the-17-inch-razer-blade-pro-gaming-laptop/

Sorry I probably should have shared that with everyone My bad

 

I'm late to the thread but....why? 6700HQ? Forget it.

"Friends don't let friends buy a 6700HQ when they are buying a gaming laptop. Just no...."

Slim form factor, I get it, but not all GTX 1080's are created equal. I wonder how much they'll tone that GPU down? Something tells me...nowhere near 180W.

I wish people would stop using the word "Powerful," when talking about a 6700HQ locked cpu. It's just not correct and false advertising.

 

I didn't understand that either. If you can cool a 1080, you can cool a 6820hk, right?

 

Oxymoron. They should have just went with a 1060...after all if they gimp the 1080, which is at the discretion of the OEM's....man o man what a waste.

I give them credit for trying, but 6700HQ is a fail the moment they brilliantly voted that into production.

As much as I would like to see something worthwhile from Razer, it already has a poor rep for ripping the MacBook design almost 1:1 ...Innovation?

 

it should, but won't overclock very well

even moreso if the gpu is loaded at the same time



with thtat said, I still think that the 6820HK/6970HQ should be used since the pricetag is so high

 

I would be all over this laptop if it just had a 1070 and a 6820hk (as long as reviews said that the thermals weren't too bad)

 

I think the EVGA SC17 would be a better buy with its thicker metal and better cooling at the $2.7k+ price point.

 

I agree that the sc17 would be great, but the main reason that I like this laptop is actually for the touch screen, I've been using a touch screen laptop for so long that while using other peoples laptops I go to press something with my finger only to realize it isn't touch screen.

But as it is, if I'm not getting a touch screen I'd save my money and buy a clevo.

 

This razer will either redefine powerhouse laptops for the next 5 years, or it will suck massively.

I think it's just going to suck. I have never seen a laptop this thin without massive cooling issues, and I doubt that this will be the exception, unfortunately.