Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016) Owner's Lounge

Yeah, this is a beast of a machine and hands down the best portable gaming laptop at 17.3" IMO. Finished a gaming session and noticed after several hours that the fans were off!! Realized I flipped the switch on the power strip while gaming at some point, the laptop runs extermely cool when on battery and I had previously set my power management to High Performance for both battery and AC.

 

Yeap, 1080 is kinda pointless since it performs like a 1070.
As for the M.2 implementation, the switching sometimes works and most of the time doesn't.

 

Someone mentioned that the mobile pascal GPUs perform 25% less than the desktop counterparts. I think it is less than that, but even so I think that's amazing. I remember my last gaming laptop around 8 years ago, a clevo of some type. That thing was huge, thick, heavy and performed WAY slower than the desktop counterparts. Granted those GPUs had the M nomenclature and the new Pascal based cards don't. I just helped a buddy build a new gaming desktop with a ZOTAC GTX 1080 in it and seeing how huge that thing is, it is sagging under its own weight it's cooler is so big, I am AMAZED at how much performance laptops get these days.

 

Nope. In all other system the mobile pascals perform exactly the same as the desktop cards.

 

I did not know that, that's pretty amazing.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-10-series-pascal-mobile-gpus,32471.html

"The mobile version also gets the same GPU Boost rating as the desktop version (1733 MHz), though the base clock frequency is down to 1556 MHz. The 8 GB of 10 Gb/s GDDR5X and 256-bit memory bus are also along for the ride. Of course, this level of performance has never been seen in a laptop (without the use of a GPU dock) until now."

"The mobile GeForce GTX 1060, 1070, and 1080 are all VR-ready, and Nvidia says the GPUs yield similar performance as its desktop cards, up to 76 percent faster than the Maxwell-based predecessors. They are built using the same 16 nm FinFET process, and each mobile solution employs the same GPU (GP104/GP106) as its desktop counterpart."


They are "similar". I believe the mobile 1080 actually delivers a higher CUDA core count than the desktop version and in most reviews I've seen the 1080 Notebook version is within 5-10% of the Desktop card.

 

Nope the CUDA core count bump is only limited to the 1070, i guess to offset the slight difference in the core clocks.

 

1080s only; 1070s are 115W limited (bursts up to 120W tho). 1060s too. The high wattage allowance 1080Ns from the Clevo, MSIs and ASUS are the only ones that really shine (at least at stock, I don't know about MSI and ASUS with heavier overclocks)

25% less is a bit much, but the 1060N and 1070N definitely are far worse when it counts. But the 1080Ns generally can achieve desktop power... except the one in this notebook.

Pretty sure we had desktop-level performance with some OCing in previous cards, though the naming was off (580M was 560Ti, not 580, 780M was 680/770, not 780).

1070N is a 980N on Pascal. 2048 cores, more than the 1920 of the 1070. 1080/1080N and 1060/1060N have identical specs.

 

No, that's not true, MSI's and Asus 1080 and 1080 SLI's are also putting out the same GPU performance results as Clevo's 190w MXM cards.

The numbers show it, it's not surprising as those are all top end models in each line.

Only Aorus and Razer have "slimmed" down 1080 performance.

Further, the Clevo results for the 1080 SLI are variable depending on the current state of the owners firmware, often resulting in users returning their units due to power throttling:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-887#post-10441923

Things should improve for @Prema based firmware owners, but for the rest of the owners using Sager default firmware they may never reach non-throttling functional status giving full performance.

 

Ah true, MSI does do it. I haven't looked at ASUS, though they should do it on their watercooling model at the least. I didn't remember what ASUS' 1080N power limit was. I'll ammend my statement above, thanks.

 

Nope even the other GPU's. Once we start going into 1070's and 1060's that when the TDP factors are coming in because of different form factors.

As for the 1080's and most 1070's the base performance is pretty much same across the compared when compared to the Stock 1080 FE .

 

1070N in P775DM3 and Tornado F5s though have power limits. Prema confirmed it. @Scerate and @thegh0sts can confirm they're TDP limited?

 

They've been getting great results so far in the F5 1080, not really showing a great difference even if the power limits are there - it must be enough

 

Heres the same 1070 :

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11324399



Its just a matter of the right bios.

 

*flips table*

I clearly need to step up my NBR-fu game.

Was only talking about the 1070N and 1060N cards, though. 1080Ns I know are fine for MSI.

 

That guy modded their 1070N vbios to a 200w TDP which is about 2000 points higher than me with a stock vBIOS. It's just a matter of making nvflash flash modded vbios on Pascal GPUs.

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Even then without that BIOS, you are looking at desktop results.

 

I've been seriously tempted to pick one of these up as it's basically my dream computer (4K screen not withstanding). I'd prefer to order through HIDevolution as any tech support would be through them as opposed to Razer, but for what they charge for the base system, I can order the same machine from Amazon, have it delivered in 2 days, and include a 3-year accidental damage extended warranty. Is there any reason why HID's price is $400 over the SRP without any extras?

 

Their services and stuff i would imagine.

 

My scores are getting close to desktop with a decent overclock but a higher TDP would be nice.

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Why are you adding an "N" to the end of the GPU model number?

Those don't exist as such, there are no "M" or "N" card standards.

There may be "neutered" cards due to lower than others TDP, but they vary from vendor to vendor and laptop to laptop.

Is that what you are trying to say? N = "Neutered" ?

That's not an official name

 

As great as HID has treated me, and I know that businesses need to turn a profit, I'm having a really hard time justifying such a significant price premium solely for the potential peace of mind of ordering from them.

 

N = "Notebook"

 

The horror stories from so many people dealing directly with Razer, I wouldn't get one at all, ever.

But if you are enamoured with the form and factors in artistic design over function, then paying someone else to absorb the pain - providing a cushion between you and Razer would be worth a HUGE premium.

Getting and keeping your Razer laptop working without **HUGE** delays in response from Razer, without the ***HUGE*** delays in turnaround for fixes by Razer, and the eventual abandonment of the model by Razer well before EOL, all add up to a no go for me.

If anyone is willing to go through all that for you, be happy they do, and pay what they are asking - it's probably not enough

 

Yeah, well, sure, but Nvidia doesn't add that N to the model number, why would anyone else want to?

The context of the conversation, heck even the fact we are discussing this on a "Notebook" site in a "Notebook" forum should be enough to suggest we are talking about Mobile MXM Notebook GPU's.

No "M's or "N's needed

 

I consider it needed. Base and boost clocks are lower, and 1070N is a different card entirely to 1070.

Edit: I do mean "notebook".

 

A MacBook Pro was my primary PC for the better part of 4 years, so yeah. The few times I needed assistance with that machine, I had nothing but positive experiences with Apple tech support, both over the phone and in store, something I'm acutely aware is lacking when it comes to Razer. That's the main thing that gives me pause even if I were to get it from HID - do I want to even somewhat directly support a company who is not doing well at providing even basic support for what is supposed to be a premium product? I did shoot off an email to HID asking if I might be able to work with them on the price - maybe they could include their 2-year warranty for the same cost as the base machine. I figure the worst they can do is tell me no.

 

Call it 1080N is better than 1080 (Laptop) from http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1080-Laptop.171212.0.html

 

Maybe that $400 premium is just for the 1st year? That's usually when all the pain happens, things seem to fail in the 1st year with Razer, as those owners have shared.

An extended warranty is what Apple offers after the 1st year, and I think it's close to $400 for the top models.

 

Yeah, I guess the fact that both the desktop and laptop model numbering is the same is confusing to some, but I haven't been confused, and I haven't run across a single person that thinks there are actual desktop cards in these Pascal laptops

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That site you listed is "NOTEBOOKcheck" so I don't think they really needed to put that parenthetical "Laptop" there either.

 

Making up names not used by Nvidia or the Vendor is gonna confuse more people than using the current naming scheme set by Nvidia and Vendors.

I see no value in forcing it to happen, adding an N to all mobile Pascal GPU model numbers, it's Superfluous => 1080S

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Has anyone ordered a second power brick from Razer for the RBP? If so how much was it?

 

Maybe HID needs to charge extra as "insurance" for all the potential claims they might get for Razer computers purchased through them LOL. The price for AppleCare varies based on the device you own. Retail is $350 for the 15-inch MacBook Pro, but you can find it cheaper from authorized retailers. I got it for $230 when I had my MBP, and that was for one where it was still possible for the end user to swap out the RAM and hard drive. I wouldn't buy any current Apple product without the extended warranty. The standard warranty only comes with 90 days of phone support. After that you would need to take it to an Apple store or authorized repair facility. Even with AppleCare, it doesn't cover accidental damage, though to be fair few systems outside of business-class have this. At least you can add the extra coverage any time during the first year so you don't need to shell out for it at the time you buy the computer.

Edit: I just looked at the Blade Pro's specs again and saw that it actually weighs more than my P670RS (7.8 vs 7.06 lbs). Yes, the Clevo is thicker and more plasticky, but still.

 

Compared my desktop 1080 to the RBP and the Desktop outperforms the RBP by an 11% difference in Firestrike Graphics Score with no O/C for either machine.

Desktop 1080 - Firestrike Graphics Score - 22,120

RBP 1080 - Firestrike Graphics Score - 19,540

 

Honestly, that's not a bad reduction in performance, considering the difference in form factor.

How much faster is the RBP 1080 than a Desktop 1070 though... considering most 1070 mobile laptops are the same performance as the desktop 1070, even the thin ones...

 

Don't know, only ever had 1080's but this supports what all the RBP owner's have been saying as a 10% difference is not enough where I notice any "loss" in performance.

Bottom line, if the RBP is not for you that's cool but if you are thinking about getting one the performance/thermals/size are excellent and you should not hesitate!!

Also, if you order direct from Razer they ship to your door in about 10 days or less to the US.

 

My AW R4 hits a 21377 FS GFX score and AW are unlocking the GPU power limit soon so it will increase.you sure that's a 1080?

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Here is a 1080 with a 22,194 graphics score @ 2:37 -

 

Really liked the Aw17r4, I started with one of the first 1080 models but went through a few of them and ultimately decided to go with the RBP.

 

Does anyone happen to know what model panel is being used in this laptop? I have been to the Razer store a few times and it really is a nice panel, leagues ahead of the Razer blades panel which I believe is an igzo TN panel.

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From HWiNFO

Monitor Name (Manuf): CRX1200
Monitor Name: Sharp [Unknown Model: SHP145A]
3840 x 2160 382 x 215 mm, Pixel Clock 533.25 MHz

 

Current Firestrike score with v-sync/g-sync disabled and Nvida settings to high performance. No OC on GPU. http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17575434?#

Overall: 14,209 Graphics: 19,799

 

yay, latest nvidia driver installs without any problems finally.

 

still not getting anywhere near shoespc and his stock scores though. shoes, when did you buy your blade pro? Wondering if third or forth wave batches are better? different psu or something?

 

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Is that a 1080 or 1070?

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dunno if still relevant, but yeah my 1070N is limited at about 110-120w, afaik @thegh0sts uses a MSI 1070 card but had the same issue, with fps clamp yeah ofc the card boosts higher (depends on value set tho) but still you can feel the limitation, 61 °C is nothing to even nearly worry about when playing.

 

My desktop 1070 scores just a few points off the 20000 graphics score. A good laptop 1070 can reach the same.

 

Igzo tn does not exist. Igzo is a form of ips.

 

Yup, that's what I was implying, thanks for verifying that.

The RBP 1080 doesn't have the power resources to fully perform, and if it did I assume it wouldn't have the thermal cooling resources to allow full performance.

So, it is what it is, enjoy it, or buy something else