Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016) Owner's Lounge

Razer sells looks, not functionality. I'm finding it harder to recommend MSI too since I've been learning more about them... it's like they make a good or great design and then ask themselves how they can neuter it so that Clevo can keep the #1 spot.

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The Valerie design is just asking for hinge issues - the hinge has to be VERY tight to support that weight but the design will only lead to the hinge being torqued every time you move it. End result, Y50 chaos all over again but this time, on a 4000$ laptop rather than a 900-1100$ machine.

 

Considering Alienware fixed the heat issues and their support is still top-notch, I'd say they're also worth mentioning.

 

Just going to reply to your comment, but lets end it at either this note or your reply as to not hijack or derail the actual thread

Clevo and MSI are currently the only two brothers that cannot find a common ground for what they want to achieve.
Both fail in the weirdest of departments, with the weird BIOS' and EC Clevo is confusing the living hell out of me, and the design choices are ... wtf I don't even sometimes.
MSI has done some very questioneable things atm, but still having a small part of BGA hatred makes me like them.. with that said, they are designing better but somewhat confusing atm too - on top of trying to look very stylish (sometimes).

I don't know, I am not questioning the power of hardware these days, but sometimes is not right with laptops atm, too many weird things going on.

 

They haven't fixed crap. They used new thermal pad layouts to offset the improper contact from the CPU to the GPU. The heatsink needs to be physically bent to fit both CPU & GPU properly. They also updated their "threshold" of overheating before you can RMA to 110c (I'm not even kidding). Since thermal shutdown is somewhere between 101c to 105c, there is no way to hit 110c, and thus they basically stated that they're not accepting "bad cooling" warranty complaints anymore.

Alienware is just SLIGHTLY below Razer in the list of "do not buy this gen for any reason", and the only reason they're not equal or worse than Razer in this ranking is because you can actually fix the machines post-sale with few tools. But that doesn't mean much.

 

Yet temps remain decent - reports of 80*C under maximum load indicate that even with the imperfect contact, the machine itself remains cool enough to not throttle.

 

stop talking about alienware and other laptops on this thread, none of us care so stop arguing with people and lets keep this thread with information that can make it easy for people to look for stuff if they need to. dont need 30 pages full of people talking about other BS. thx

after the nvidia update to378.49

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17813382
OC +150
+400

right now im messing around on gta v single player, 4k with mostly maxed out settings, FXAA/MSAA off, shadows high, grass high, soft shadows - softer, post fx normal, tesselations off, high resolution shadows on (advanced graphics). gsync off, vsync off. and im getting around most parts 90 fps and in demanding parts 60 fps. dunno if this is from the update but pretty awesome

 

if i was "fanboying" as you call it i would be raving about Alienware computers as i have owned a desktop and or laptop since 2007 with great success. Perhaps you are infuriated because I do not agree with you. Yeah I get that a lot from millennials as they just hate when people have their own opinion based upon experience

 

Funnily enough, you just proved my point =D

 

Always glad to help . Meanwhile I am loving this machine!

 

What? You literally disqualify proof because it hasn't happened to you?

 

He/she is beyond help, don't waste your time. If I forced the problem to occur on his/her own machine I'd probably get blamed instead of Razer.

 

Lets respect the others in this thread and take this up offline if you really want my answer. Please pm me if you do indeed want to hear my hopefully rational argument against your statement based upon your experiences.

 

Hey guys I had a something weird happen to me while gaming last night. I was playing The Division for a couple of hours with zero problems. When I got done I wanted to see how GTA V would run in 4K so I cranked it up. I still haven't gotten last the intro so I went through the bank scene and when I got outside and started shooting up the cops my laptop shut off. I had headphones on but I think I heard a pop noise. I sat there for about ten seconds then turned it back on. I booted super fast, like seven seconds maybe and I immediately opened HWMonitor. Temps for the CPU were 82 C and 72 C for the GPU. I then noticed that the battery was at 41% and it had been plugged in the entire time. I looked at th AC adapter and found that my foam roller was sitting on top of it and it was as laying on carpet. It was SUPER hot, hotter than its ever been. So I'm thinking the AC adapter got too hot and was not charging the laptop anymore, maybe it was switching to battery mode and back? I'm going to check it out now and keep the AC adapter on the tile floor with nothing on it from now on. Anyone with any info or advice would be awesome. I've had the machine a few weeks and this is the firstborn issue I've had, so no other signs of overheating or shutting down before

 

Could have been a power issue in your house that caused the adapter to trip, but it more sounds like you overdrew the battery and PSU and it shut off the PSU, causing your battery to get hit with a huge load at once and the firmware couldn't take it and your PC turned off. And when you turned it back on the CPU & GPU did not get to properly cool themselves so they were still hot.

This is speculation on my part, of course, but it's the most likely conclusion from what I heard you just describe. What's your machine? The Pro? Or the 14"?

 

You're probably right - does sound like Adapter overheating. You see, this is the reason why 99% of laptop OEMs make adapters large - so as to have more surface area and keep them cooler. Else, you get this result. My adapter, even when on a fluffy carpet, barely gets warm even when gaming. Heat is one of the biggest issues modern systems face. Making them smaller only serves to make heat a bigger issue.

EDIT: Either that or the CPU somehow managed to reach 101*C - check what Event Viewer says as a shut-down reason.

 

I highly doubt it overheated... more like it overdrew and the adapter disconnected itself under the heavy load.

I don't remember the brick sizes they use for their models but I think they're too small for a heavy CPU & GPU load. If for some reason his stuff didn't throttle, I could see it hitting the maximum draw for the PSU and pulling from the battery and then having the PSU shut off due to the out-of-spec sustained load. When that happens you get them supremely hot like he described.

 

Possible - though I've seen a lot of cheap PSUs have their wattage capacity decrease when they reach high temperature as stability goes to ****. Prime example would be the CXv3 - when you exceed 40*C with those, it becomes very difficult to pull the rated wattage. Hence why when I see a CX600 I treat it like a 400W PSU at best.

 

So I turned the machine on this morning and everything seems normal, battery was charging back to full, I left it unplugged overnight. I am running Heaven benchmark on a loop for a bit to see if it's still drawing too much power. The AC adapter is getting a little warm after about ten minutes but nothing like last night. I think it was the big foam roller laying on top of it acting like an insulator that caused it to get so insanely hot. One thing I've noticed and hopefully someone can comment on this is the LED light on my AC adapter. I don't think I've ever seen it come on, maybe the first day I had it, but since then it doesn't come on at all. I tried reading about what it's for but couldn't find any info online. You guys have any idea? Maybe it never has turned on, I honestly don't know, I just noticed a couple of weeks ago it wasn't on. I'm going to play a little bit of GTA V here in a bit and see how it acts. Thanks for any help!

 

Played some GTA V, which looks awesome at 4k btw, no issues. Battery charging slowed way down but continued to charge. I still have random FPS dips and when it happens the fans change speeds and then about 2-3 seconds later it catches back up and goes to a solid 60 FPS. I may just be paranoid about it now though. That's what the system was doing when I first got it, fixed the issue by putting it in performance mode and changed the fan settings in razer synapse to turbo I think, forget what setting it's called but I took it off quiet mode.

Anyone who owns a RBP have any thoughts on the little LED indicator on the AC adapter? Again, I may be parinoid but I'm starting to think my AC adapter is having issues and when the FPS dip down it's going off battery and then reconnecting to the charger and catching back up. Maybe that's not what's happening, but last nights issue and the LED not lighting up is what worries me. Thanks again for any advice!

 

You should still listening on what the tech said in the video Such videos is Golden for owners of the machine. Info is king if similar problems like he explained happens.

 

how big is the dip in FPS? If it's slight and fans kick in, then it might be thermal throttling, but there is no way to tell. You can play in a window, and see if your plugged in icon remains. If it doesn't then you're overdrawing your PSU.

Do note however that you said you switched from one game to another, meaning you had a very long playtime. The hotter something is, the more power it tends to draw. If you want you can run a long CPU benchmark and see how it raises your power consumed as the CPU gets hotter. If your machine was near thermal limits before after the long playtime it might have pushed it over the edge.

 

I would run cpu benchmark + Heaven or similar. Maybe only cpu benching isn't enough to trigger it. Shared pipes will of load temp issues with only cpu bench. Wprime 1024M stress test + Heaven would work.

 

I agree with this.

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i will try running both benchmarks. The hottest my CPU has ever gotten that I've observed even with hours of gaming is 84 C and 76 C for the GPU. According to Hwmonitor atleast.

 

minegot to 98c playing GTAV before. i belive its a driver issue that caused your power failure. i used to have power failures randomly when i try new games but after i updated everything runs smooth. make sure you have geforce experience and update to the latest driver, nvidia just signed the RBP.

 

I would highly advise manually doing a clean install - GFE has become pure bloatware and has corrupted my VGA drivers more than once - I've even had BSODs thanks to it which forced me to reinstall the OS.

 

lolwut. i literally said i use GFE and it runs smooth and it seems like i somehow had a performance boost now that im on the latest drivers. so idk what youre talking about...

 

GFE has a habit of doing dumb **** which in turn causes problems. One such thing is overlapping drivers - you haven't had issues because you've only installed one or two drivers. When you get a bit more piled on, expect registry corruption. Hence why, if you use it, have an image back-up of your OS.

 

nah its good now, ive had drivers installed since 369->375-376->378. i make sure it does it correctly so its not a problem and wont be one

 

It will be, I am certain. There will come a time where it is - I've observed this behavious across multiple laptops, probably a dozen or so - different brands, OSes and specs - only connection, GFE.

 

Seriously, GFE is the best thing about Nvidia - to uninstall

That and anything not actually used by you, like 3D or Audio, only keep / install the Nvidia driver + Physx, that's all you really need.

You can conveniently use DDU booted in Safe Mode to clean out all the Nvidia stuff collected over time.

Doing this reduces the cross-section of potentially buggy Nvidia software installed, a very good thing long term.

When it comes to software running in the background stealing cycles and who knows what else, "Less is More".

Keep this in mind when the Nvidia hits the fan

 

lol, if you have issues just use display driver uninstaller, literally cleans it so easy. but gfe has been fine for me and ive been using it on desktops and everything

 

>People suggest stuff based on their and friends experience
>Whole Internet is full of people suggesting to avoid auto installers, Microsoft official support reccomends avoiding them too
>"lol it never happened to me, and me only, so you all must be wrong and I must be right"

 

Good luck fixing a corrupted registry with DDU , Let me know how that goes for ya.

 

Anyone who owns a RBP have any thoughts on the LED light on my AC adapter? Does yours light up? I made sure it wasn't covered by anything and played some more Division and GTA V with no issues. Just wondering if it's supposed to light up.

 

Haven't had issues with it

well what do you want me to lie and say I've had a bad experience? Lol tf

 

Not that hard to have programs like ccleaner and such kept everything in tip shape

 

Yeah it's supposed to light up green led

 

This means that everyone who get problem with Nvidia drivers... All those, does it all wrong. Oh'well

 

No, just accepting that you are statistically worth nothing and accepting the FACT that, based on a great number of cases, GFE is ****, just like every autoinstaller, would be a great start.

Why? Cause if people like you keep suggesting using **** features, problems will take much more to be solved on a great scale and people will be fed up for putting too much trust in your words.

 

Well obviously if there a problem you're not doing it right..lol

 

lol; just cause I've haven't had bad experiences with GFE means it means I'm statistically worth nothing? Lmao how do you come up with this stuff just like any product on the world; it's gonna work great for some people and terrible for others. Might wanna check out if it's user errors if you keep having problems with something I've never had issues with

 

You are statistically worth nothing cause one on such a big group as the Internet is not gonna change ratios.
Do you really think Microsoft would be telling people to avoid autoinstallers like mad if it was just a small portion of the users getting huge problems?
How's that about user errors if all you need to do is click a few times "okay" and, at most, check clean install and uncheck unneeded features like 3D vision?
How can someone make it go wrong?

Anyway, I'm done with you, I just hope I helped someone who might have wanted to install GFE based on your post change his mind.

 

Don't ask me how to can go wrong it hasn't for me like I've said multiple times Ask yourself and these other people who said they've had problems. Don seems to be one with the user errors also so maybe check with him. But other than that cool story man; i use GFE for my driver updates on my desktop and RBP with zero issues; games/OS running smooth & everything and actually noticing an increase in performance today . so if it makes you feel happy to possibly saves me from the devil itself(GeForce experience) than keep ranting and crying on the page.

Ps no one gives a crap about ratios and statistics this is a razer laptop forum so keep it relevant or move on somewhere else

 

K.

P. S.: learn math.

 

Maybe you can create an easy understanding 1-2-3 Nvidia drivers installing guide thread? Here is a suggestion to the thread title "100% success, aka guaranteed success with any installation, smoothly functioning Nvidia drivers 24/7/365". I think Manuel Guzman aka @pidge from Nvidia support will thank you

Edit. One of the popular threads in the forum All named
(nVIDIA GeForce Drivers XXX.XX Findings & Fixes)
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...s-376-33-findings-fixes.799334/#post-10411738

 

What user error? It's literally clicking next 3 times and checking a few boxes - where do you see room for user error? Trust me, it's GFE - removing it solves the issue 9/10 times.

 

How did this thread get so off topic? I thought that a thread about owners of the new RBP would be supportive and share owners experiences with the RBP, not be about haters hating on it. I would like those in charge to please either close it or stop the haters from spamming their nastiness. This is not about those trying the help the few that have had problems with the RBP, just the haters who dislike everything Razer. Thanks.

 

Cause these people who have nothing better to do but sit on forums and talk down on everything are here to argue with people who actually have problems and tell them they should've bought something else. These dudes replying don't even own a rbp