Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016) Owner's Lounge

Yeah and no, the feet on the bottom are fairly thick on the alienware and fairly shallow on the Razer. This adds on paper quite some mm of thickness. But the actual chassis is almost the same thickness.

Gigabyte isnt great indeed. Shipped mine back after having issues with 3 units of them. But the same goes for the RB2015 that was its competitor at that time. Also loaded with issues.

THe thing is, the Razer ceo Min like to brag and lie as a marketing apparatus. Claming its a fully fledged desktop in a laptop. Its still a mobile 6700HQ cpu, which is pretty nice but not on the level of a desktop I7, the 1080GTX doesnt perform as a 1080 and in the end he claims that there are no other thinner 1080GTX laptops available, which is also a flat out lie. Razer markting at its best. They wat to make sure that people beleive that the 4000usd premium is for something.

 

What other laptop is thinner with a 1080? Also, the Alienware is much thicker and the feet are about the same.

 

Read my previous reply.

Aorus is about the same thickness, the Alienware its chassis is about the same size but the feet under it are much thicker. But thats for better airflow. The feet are not about the same. They are almost 6mm high on an Alienware. Razer is half.

 

So yes, the RBP is the thinnest laptop with a 1080gtx. About the same is not thinner or as thin, it's thicker. This is a great machine, averaging 120fps at 4K is ridiculous for a machine this compact.

 

120fps at 4K in an unspecified game and settings is easy to achieve. My phone also runs Solitaire at 200fps at 1440p but that doesn't make it exceptional - be specific or don't quote numbers

 

At 0:58 you can see that the feet are quite massive compared to the RBP


Also, the Aorus X7 is only 2mm thicker - hardly noticeable yet it has no overheating SSDs and is half the price

 

Still not thinner, that's the point.

 

Are you really trying to convince me that 3mm is a deal-breaker for you? Come on... be reasonable, the RBP is over the point of diminishing returns with regard to thickness.

 

After loading the latest Nvidia drivers the optimal power setting seems to work best for AC/battery when gaming. What version of Nvidia drivers are you using and are you running optimal or high-performance?

 

Not trying to convince anyone, someone said the RBP is not the thinnest and I corrected them.

 

After loading the latest Nvidia drivers the optimal power setting seems to work best for AC/battery when gaming. What version of Nvidia drivers are you using and are you running optimal or high-performance?

 

That actually looks about the same thickness as the RBP feet. I feel like you guys are comparing everything to a Razer Blade 14" that you once saw and not to the RBP. The RBP's feet are pretty thick.

Also, half the price? Surely you're joking. I haven't seen a price for the DT with the 1080 in it, but the regular V6 with the 1070 is $2600. That's already way more than half the price.

 

RBP runs for about 4000$ when you factor in VAT. The X6 1070 (as that is the same performance as the RBP) can be found with discounts and thus I said about half the price.

 

Yes, most of the comments in this thread are regarding the blade 2014.

 

You didn't say "about half the price." You said "is half the price." Also, you can't add tax for one and not the other as that is different for everybody, so you're going to have to show me where you can get an Aorus X7 for exactly $1800, or an $800 discount from MSRP since the RBP is $3600. Then there is the fact that the displays are different (a touchscreen 4k G-sync display is surely more expensive than a QHD TN panel with scan lines), there's less RAM in the Aorus, and the 1070 is significantly cheaper than the 1080. The only advantage the Aorus has is the 6820 over the 6700, so that's about $100 difference from every computer configurator that I've seen that allows you to upgrade.

Lastly, please show your sources that the X7 V6 with 1070 performs the same as the RBP. Not "about the same", not "nearly the same", not "almost" as you said " is the same performance."

 

I'll admit, I am assuming the Aorus 1070 is not throttled but we've seen benchmarks of OCed 1070 laptops pull ahead of the RBP in Fire Strike - that is why I said it.
I am factoring VAT in both cases, keep in mind that in Europe, the RBP is MUCH more expensive due to the user-payed shipping from the US but if I were to go by US market alone then yes, the RBP is only 60% more expensive than the cheapest X7 starting at 2300$ here (RBP starts at 3700$)

EDIT: Amazon has it for even cheaper at 2240$

Ah, but you see, I've never mentioned display differences - I am talking pure performance per dollar. The display is a matter of personal preference as I have been told several times already in this thread.

We are also talking about a 6820HK - with a repaste using LM and some tweaking, one can get 4GHz on that fine - that is a 23% performance increase over the 3.1GHz 6700HQ

 

Once again, what is your point considering this thread is for owners of the RBP?!

 

For those looking at the RBP here is a newer review from Windows Central

 

Merely attempting to bring your off-topic argument to a close

 

Hey I did not start the off-topic Razer Hater portion inappropriate to this thread. I merely highlighted the error of discussing said hate for the RBP in an ownership of that wonderful machine's thread. I am happy that you are bringing it to a close and I hope that the other Razer Haters will leave it be as well

 

The full review for anyone interested

http://www.windowscentral.com/razer-blade-pro

 

Hah, just remember, not everyone is a hater - hate is only applicable when the person is not backing up his claims with arguments or the claims are baseless. I'd say I've provided sufficient reasoning behind the things I dislike - mainly, the price tag and the SSD/Mosfets.

On a side note, can you tell me what panel it is using? I can't find info about it and I want to see whether it has PWM screen modulation or if it is flicker-free.

 

Apples and oranges. You're comparing a stock clock to an overclock. Besides that, what was the OC'd 1070 in? A GT73VR? I bet it wasn't in an X7. Those things already run hot. The X7 with a 1070 gets about 17k firestrike graphics score and the RBP is getting in the 19k range according to some of the owners in this thread.

Sale price, still not half.

The display factors into the price.

You can overclock it that much in an X7? It already runs at 90C on the stock clocks.

But again, apples and oranges. Most people don't overclock their GPU or CPU. I'm one of those people. I just don't want to mess with it. All I want is to be able to do my normal day-to-day stuff, to be able to game with good graphics when I'm in the mood, and to be able to comfortably bring my laptop with me when I travel. I don't want a hulking monstrosity that is cumbersome to move around.

 

No offense, but you have made baseless claims. You've claimed there are thinner laptops with a 1080, you've claimed the X7 is half the price, and you've claimed it has equal performance. None of those things are true and we've pointed it out to you. Maybe those are your alternative facts. Still think you're not a hater?

Most importantly, nobody really cares why you don't like it. You have different tastes, needs, and wants for your laptop. There's nothing wrong with that. You don't see me over in the Alienware, Clevo, MSI, or any other forums talking about how the laptops suck because they don't fit what I'm looking for in a laptop.

HWinfo says it's a Sharp SHP145A

 

No need to get worked up guys. As long as we keep it civil, discussion and arguments are fine.

Now, we already know the expected performance level of this machine, and we know how it compares as well as its market. No need to keep pointing it out.

It's true that the GTX1080 in the RBP is power limited and as such, it has less performance than other non power limited versions. It often compares to a GTX1070 (non, or mild overclock). The 6700HQ was installed as a design choice, to avoid extra heat. Since the display is 60hz, it won't impact much.

 

finally a mod who speaks up!! lets keep it on topic people!!

 

You may want to re-check who claimed the size was the same initially. HInt: it wasn't me - I just pointed out that the difference is smaller than it first looks. I have NEVER claimed it was thinner than the RBP.
As for the 1070 in the Aorus - it runs at 78*C max - and with a repaste, goes down to 72*C or so - quite a bit of headroom for an overclock. Same goes for the CPU, apply LM and you've got 80*C load temps. If you don't believe me, check NBC or other forums, be my guest. I'll wait. Also, 2300$ is not a sale price, it's the standard shipping price from what i can discern (admittedly, I don't use Amazon as often) but that I was wrong about, it's not half the price, it's just a lot cheaper.

Also, I WOULD compare an OCed RBP if that were possible but it's just locked down. Not my fault.

 

I remember someone on here posted a guide or their experiences, upgrading the SSD. This thread is 100+ pages. I tried searching using Google and this Forum's search tool. (1) Does anyone know who or have a link to the SSD upgrade post within this thread? (2) Is there an easy way to search within a particular thread on here (without having to paginate in a browser)?

UPDATE: Found (1), not easily though.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...16-owners-lounge.797308/page-61#post-10429027

 

Also, does anyone know if the Razer Core will even work with this laptop?

 

No reason why it wouldn't. Dont think it will have Synapse support though.

 

Razer has stated that the 2016 Blade Pro does not, in fact, support the Razer core "at this time". Their reasoning: "It already has a GTX 1080, ahas't the point"

They have, however, also stated they may add core support in the future as GPU technology advances.

 

They know what they have put into the Razer Blade. A fully locked down [email protected]
No future in this BGA chips. 3-4 year down the road and then connecting a Razer Core with the best graphics and external modern 120/144Hz screen with this low entry i7 will be a disaster. I think Razer's engineers know this already.

 

Sorry, I was wrong on that one. I get you and rinneh mixed up.

Again, you're comparing modified to non-modified. Not everybody wants to modify their computers when they get them. I don't buy cars and motorcycles because I like working on them. I prefer to drive them. Similarly, I don't buy computers to work on them. I prefer to just use them for doing my work and playing games on occasion.

It's not wrong to want to work on your computer, obviously. If you like doing it, then I think that's great. Obviously a RBP isn't for you, then, and again, that's perfectly fine. But if you want to come here and tell everybody that it's not worth the money, Razer sucks, and whatever else, then that's just your opinion and I think we're pretty well tired of it.

 

Thanks for your opinions. We're all super happy to hear them over and over and over again.

 

Well, he is right - but that's the general practice among all OEMs - planned obsolescence - no OEM in their right mind wants you to keep your device for more than 3 years - that's losing sales after all.

 

For sure. I will say, however, that this is the first computer I've purchased in over a decade (which includes 4 Clevos, an Alienware, and a Gigabyte) that I could see myself owning for more than my normally planned 2 years. The initial feel of quality is much higher than anything else I've owned. I hope to not have to upgrade for another 4 years or so. The GPU may be struggling to play higher end games by then, but I usually end up upgrading more for other things than just the graphics card, like faster USB ports, higher quality displays, faster SSD capability, etc, and I can't see anything on the horizon in those areas that will make me want to get rid of the RBP anytime soon, assuming it holds up for as long as I hope it does.

 

That's not entirely a fair assessment. A lot of games out there still aren't overly CPU dependent. Heck, a good blade stealth + core + 1080 will give you plenty of 4k Oomph at max settings, providing you're not trying to play something like Total War Warhammer.

Of course, I've gotten older and do more lighter casual gaming like Blizzard titles, Civ 6. . or desktop only titles like Elite Dangerous on Occulus Rift. . . so full disclosure I don't run the latest horribly ported console clones.

Also, anything past 60Hz is a complete waste of time [well it is, if you don't play FPS]

Glad you're enjoying it I had a bad experience with mine, but it's still an amazing machine.

 

I am curious if any Core owners used this device to upgrade their nvme harddrives (like plugging one of these into it) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01798WOJ0

 

No point. nvme slots have full PCIe 3.0 x4 bandwidth, over TB3 the PCH conversion over head gimps that bandwidth.

 

Ahem

 

I meant if you bought the smallest HD configuration from Razer in Raid0 and wanted to clone to a 1TB harddrive in one pass. Could a Core owner repurpose it temporarily?

I was actually looking around, and the only way I found to externalize nvme drives was via TB3, could not find any USB (albeit gimped) solutions. The cheapest nvme enclosure I found was $249 from Akitio. Not that I did this. Wound up donig my upgrade in 2 passes via Macrium Free image to a 2TB sata via usb3 I had lying around. Just curious though.

I am really waiting for the $20 or $30 TB3 HD enclosures.

 

From my experience with TB3 eGPU's and PCIe devices over TB3, unless a manufacturer explicitly locks it in the firmware then it would work. For example i cloned my 950 Pro across this way :




Heck i was using it as a boot drive over TB3 for quite a few weeks.

With my P870Dm-G, i have tested eGPU's using the Razer Core, Akitio Thunder 3, Inxtron TB3 HDK (basically the exact same thing as the Thunder 3, but without the enclosure and different power connector).

Linus (from LTT) also dud similar tests using the core with different devices to run PCIe cards, and it worked for him almost every single time.

So unless Razer has explicitly locked the use of the Razer Core on the new RBP, then it shouldn't be a problem. But more than than the problem is the amount of lanes available. The 6700hq has 16 PCIe lanes, 8 Lanes are take up my each of the M.2 slots and the remaining 8 are being used by the GPU. So if something is hooked up over TB3, that will need an additional 4 lanes or it will siphon/take away from the existing lanes (not sure if it will be from the GPU or the M.2 slots).

 

Two hours of gaming max temp. 79. After undervolt max temp is 70, no re-paste required.

 

Shoespc.

I read all your posts before about undervolting but I didn't take the time to do it yet. Just to be clear, undervolting your CPU can/will lower temperatures but does it lower performance at all? Also, can you/do you undervolt your GPU at all for the same reasons? Thanks! I played a few hours last night and saw the highest temps yet, 89C CPU and 80C GPU. Don't know why it was hotter than any other gaming session, nothing else changed. Also, I'm not sure how long those temps were present, just the max readings in HWmonitor, so it could be for a few seconds or twenty minutes.

 

Another question for the group: I remember reading some of your guys posts about how the 250 watt power adapter isn't enough for the RBP under extreme loads. Not sure if that is true but I remember seeing it before on this thread. With that in mind, I saw that Eurocom recently released at 780 watt adapter. Currently there is no attachment to allow it to be connected to the RBP but if they made one, would this help performance in anyway? Since the draw would be considerably less than the max output I'm sure it would run much cooler, but don't know if the system would perform any differently. Thanks for your thoughts

 

Nope, if you undervolt properly, there wont be any performance loss.

 

That adapter is way over - OVERKILL, for the RBP, tops you guys will need is maybe 330W.

You might be able to use a higher rated adapter, unless Razer has specific firmware/software checks that might prevent the use of different branded adapters.

 

It depends on whether Razer's engineering team has demanded a max power cap in firmware. Like Dellienware did with the last AW18. Expect similar.

 

Even if the MB allow unlimited powerdraw, it'll probably blow a VRM first before allowing more power to be consumed lol.

 

Undervolting should maintain performance while reducing heat. Try using throttlestop, I undervolt the cpu and cache to -0.123 and have been stable with this config. for a few weeks with CPU and GPU maxing out at 70c under load. Not sure about the GPU but mine gets to around 70c and that is running games at over 100fps avg. while in 4k 3840x2160. Intel XTU has good monitoring and will show you history for all your temps (past hour, day, etc..)