Razer Blade Pro 17" (1080 GPU/late 2016) Owner's Lounge

Thats the thing. There is no way to fit a full blown 1080 in a chasis that small. Or at least with that very very light cooling solution. Also instead of the 1080 , they could have just put in a 1070, which would perform way better with this system and would help cut the costs.

 

at any rate, gotta commend them on their vapor chamber cooling tech. Its quieter than the Aorus w/ the 1070 and has fewer vents and runs cooler. Don't have an Aorus x7 DT to run it against for side by side comparison. I'm still returning the x7 v6. Its a fine laptop, but the screen was underwhelming for me.

 

All of this is good info to assist me in deciding which way to go when making the choice

 

That's what MSI afterburner is for

Just because it's downclocked DOES NOT mean it's not a "full blown" 1080. Again, and I have yet to hear any news on shipping on mine to confirm (><), but I suspect that it's going to be a combination of overclocking the card and seeing if you can keep it from dynamically throttling itself. At that point we find out how good the new cooling system REALLY is....

Of course I'd gladly run all the tests, and post video. . .providing someone wants to provide me a loaner laptop...

No takers? hehehehehe

 

time spy demo has the Blade Pro graphics score 1,000 points higher than the 1070 in the Aorus (6400 to 5400)

 

Still does not mean it's not a true GTX 1080. Yes, it's downclocked. That DOES NOT mean that, thermals permitting, you can't get it back up to desktop 1080 performance.

 

disassembly yet?

 

That's not even really an issue when you just simply look at the CPU paired with this thing assuming it was a desktop GPU with Desktop performance numbers....

 

Not buying the CPU bottleneck: Even the latest modern cards come NOWHERE NEAR saturating PCI-E lanes. That's not to say the overall setup COULDN'T end up saturating said lanes, but it's a lot like desktop PSUs -- People tend to think they need WAY more than they ever actually end up using.

As for the GPU, I don't have to assume anything though:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10564...series-for-notebooks-unveiled-launching-today

So from this we know that they traded a little bit of clock speed for more cuda cores, and performance SHOULD be within 10%. . . . given proper cooling.

Which is why I stated that essentially any limitations are going to be either artificially imposed by the manufacturer OR limited by thermal dissipation. The [admittedly few] thermal reviews I've seen so far clock the GPU temps around 75, so there SHOULD be headroom to push the clocks back up to stock. The only question is: since the CPU and GPU cooling blocks are essentially one system, will raising the temperature threshold of the GPU overwhelm the cooling solution to the point where the CPU ends up getting residual heat soak from the GPU, causing further heat issues.

It all comes down to how good Razer's cooling solution is. I'm dying to get my hands on one so I can find out. . . but backorders being what they are with Razer, I have no idea when the thing will ship.

 

The cooling solution isnt something that razer invented, its has been used in plenty of laptops and graphics before.

Also the way clocks work in Pascal, the temperatures for a down clocked card are down right un acceptable. The 75C is @ the lowest possible clocks , the moment the temps go up the clocks will go down further. Also you re missing the fact that the card has a power limit as well.

 

new 376 notebook driver dropped this morning, downloading now to see if will work with the Blade Pro.

 

If it doesnt work, let me know. These drivers are just missing your the GPU Device IDs since its a new variant. Either you guys can mod the drivers yourself or i can do it for you.

 

ok, so we will put bloodhawk down for a maybe on a razer blade pro

 

doesn't work, appreciate any help, gotta try watch dogs 2 today

 

Aite I'll need a screenshot from the device manager, I'll PM you later today evening once I'm back home from work.

But haha I'm staying away from this one. I have the Original Blade Pro still working great for what I use it for.

 

Here are mod instructions if you want to retrofit the driver to this machine:


Go to:
http://www.geforce.com/drivers

Fill out driver section:
GeForce
GeForce 10 Series (Notebooks)
GeForce GTX 1080
Windows 10 64-bit
English (US)
All

Click:
GeForce Game Ready Driver - WHQL
Version: 375.95 - Release Date: Fri Nov 18, 2016

As of 11/26/2016, this directs to:
http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/111030

Version 375.95 - WHQL
Release Date Fri Nov 18, 2016
Operating System Windows 10 64-bit
Language English (US)
File Size 373.62 MB
(Agree and download)

Download:
375.95-notebook-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe

Install and let the install fail. Will create directory c:\NVIDIA\...

Edit:
C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\375.95\Win10_64\International\ListDevices.txt

Find:
DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_674F1A58 "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060"
(Should be last line in group: nvrz.inf
Add this line after:
DEV_1BE0&SUBSYS_67501A58 "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080"

Save.

Edit:
C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\375.95\Win10_64\International\Display.Driver\nvrzi.inf

Find:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1C20.674F.1A58% = Section022, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_674F1A58
(Should be last line in group: [NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.10.0...14310])
Add this line after:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1BE0.6750.1A58% = Section024, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE0&SUBSYS_67501A58

Find:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1C20.674F.1A58% = Section021, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_674F1A58
(Should be last line in group: [NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.10.0])
Add this line after:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1BE0.6750.1A58% = Section023, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE0&SUBSYS_67501A58

Find:
NVIDIA_DEV.1C20.674F.1A58 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060"
(Should be last line before REG_BINARY in group: [Strings])
Add this line after:
NVIDIA_DEV.1BE0.6750.1A58 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080"

Save.

Run:
C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\375.95\Win10_64\International\setup.exe

 

There we go!
@johnnobts

 

Also:
Device ID from device mangler:
pci\ven_10de&dev_1be0&subsys_67501a58

for those who have mod scripts or something of that nature

 

Didn't work, will try that last addition u added later hoofhearted

 

Did the changes and still no go, disabled driver signature enforcement and it installed. Scores are a little better, haven't installed watchdogs yet.

 

The problem with this is power limit throttling. If you have a way around that... let me know because I have thermal headroom on my 1060 blade.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

PM me and I think I can help you.

 

hello,

question: i noticed that this rbp comes with an ICC profile for the 4k igzo display.
Is display already calibrated? or should i do a custom calibration with my spyder calibration device?

thanks

 

PM sent!

 

So what I would like to know is, does this machine have thermal problems and not performing as it should before I drop 4K on it?.
I have a alienware 15r2 with 980m and graphics amp with amplifier with a 980ti,
The problem is it's not exactly a portable system I may as well have a desktop to lug around.!

 

does this machine have thermal problems and not performing as it should before I drop 4K on it?.

no it doesnt have thermal problems. it actually runs pretty quiet compared to other pascal laptops.
the keyboard gets a lil warm. but gotta remember its pushing 4k with full blown gaming graphics.

I have a alienware 15r2 with 980m and graphics amp with amplifier with a 980ti,
The problem is it's not exactly a portable system I may as well have a desktop to lug around.!

980ti is no contest. the rbp 1080 trumps it easy in power and speed.

 

http://www.drivethelife.com/windows...rcement-on-windows-10-8-7-xp-vista.html#part3

Can't mod inf file without doing this. Even if you download 375.74 from razors website and add a single space in the comments section of nvrz.inf, it will fail the install. Take the space out and install will work. Disable this driver signature enforcement, and you can mod inf files just fine. I use the single space test to prove.

 

Go to:
http://www.geforce.com/drivers

Fill out driver section:
GeForce
GeForce 10 Series (Notebooks)
GeForce GTX 1080
Windows 10 64-bit
English (US)
All

Click:
GeForce Game Ready Driver - WHQL
Version: 376.09 - Release Date: Mon Nov 28, 2016

As of 11/30/2016, this directs to:
http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/111826

Version 376.09 - WHQL
Release Date Mon Nov 28, 2016
Operating System Windows 10 64-bit
Language English (US)
File Size 375.71 MB
(Agree and download)

Download:
376.09-notebook-win10-64bit-international-whql.exe

Install and let the install fail. Will create directory c:\NVIDIA\...

Edit:
C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\376.09\Win10_64\International\Display.Driver\nvrzi.inf

Find:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1C20.674F.1A58% = Section022, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_674F1A58
(Should be last line in group: [NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.10.0...14310])
Add this line after:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1BE0.6750.1A58% = Section028, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE0&SUBSYS_67501A58

Find:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1C20.674F.1A58% = Section021, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_674F1A58
(Should be last line in group: [NVIDIA_Devices.NTamd64.10.0])
Add this line after:
%NVIDIA_DEV.1BE0.6750.1A58% = Section027, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE0&SUBSYS_67501A58

Find:
NVIDIA_DEV.1C20.674F.1A58 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060"
(Should be last line before REG_BINARY in group: [Strings])
Add this line after:
NVIDIA_DEV.1BE0.6750.1A58 = "NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080"

Find:
[IncludedSubPackages__01]

Right before this line add:
[Section027]
AddReg = nv_DRS_addreg
AddReg = nv_FTS_addreg__02
AddReg = nv_commonBase_addreg__01
AddReg = nv_commonDisplayModes_addreg
AddReg = nv_controlPanel_addreg
AddReg = nv_global_addreg
AddReg = nv_miscBase_addreg__17
AddReg = nv_opengl_addreg
AddReg = nv_timingRestrictions_addreg
CopyFiles = nv_Drs_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_containerSetup_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_cplSetup_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_license_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_nvsmi_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_opencl_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_sysDrivers_copyfiles__01
CopyFiles = nv_system32_copyfiles__08
CopyFiles = nv_syswow64_RS_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_syswow64_copyfiles__08
CopyFiles = nv_vulkanRTInstaller_copyfiles
DelFiles = nv_nvsmi_delfiles
DelFiles = nv_sysDrivers_delfiles__01
DelFiles = nv_system32_delfiles
DelFiles = nv_system64_delfiles
DelReg = nv_clearRegistrySwitches_delreg
FeatureScore = D1
NVAllowHDAudioPreStage = 1
NVBusUpperFilter = nvpciflt
NVSupport3DVision = 2
NVSupport3DVisionForOEM = 1
NVSupportDisplayUpdate = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceExtendedOptions = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceOEM = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceUDA = 1
NVSupportPhysx = 1
NvBlockTH1Install = 1
RegisterDLLs = nv_common_registerdll

[Section027.CoInstallers]
AddReg = nv_commonCoinstaller_addreg
CopyFiles = nv_coinstaller_copyfiles

[Section027.GeneralConfigData]
MaximumDeviceMemoryConfiguration = 128
MaximumNumberOfDevices = 4

[Section027.HW]
AddReg = nv_msiSupport_addreg

[Section027.Services]
AddService = nvlddmkm, 0x00000002, nv_nvlddmkm_serviceInstall, nv_nvlddmkm_eventlogging
DelService = nvkflt, 0x00000200
AddService = nvpciflt, , nv_nvpciflt_serviceInstall

[Section028]
AddReg = nv_DRS_addreg
AddReg = nv_FTS_addreg__02
AddReg = nv_commonBase_addreg__02
AddReg = nv_commonDisplayModes_addreg
AddReg = nv_controlPanel_addreg
AddReg = nv_global_addreg
AddReg = nv_miscBase_addreg__18
AddReg = nv_opengl_addreg
AddReg = nv_timingRestrictions_addreg
CopyFiles = nv_Drs_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_containerSetup_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_cplSetup_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_license_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_nvsmi_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_opencl_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_sysDrivers_RS_copyfiles
CopyFiles = nv_sysDrivers_copyfiles__02
CopyFiles = nv_system32_RS_copyfiles__02
CopyFiles = nv_system32_copyfiles__09
CopyFiles = nv_syswow64_RS_copyfiles__03
CopyFiles = nv_syswow64_copyfiles__09
CopyFiles = nv_vulkanRTInstaller_copyfiles
DelFiles = nv_nvsmi_delfiles
DelFiles = nv_sysDrivers_delfiles__02
DelFiles = nv_system32_delfiles__05
DelFiles = nv_system64_delfiles__05
DelReg = nv_clearRegistrySwitches_delreg
FeatureScore = D1
NVAllowHDAudioPreStage = 1
NVBusUpperFilter = nvpciflt
NVSupport3DVision = 2
NVSupport3DVisionForOEM = 1
NVSupportDisplayUpdate = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceExtendedOptions = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceOEM = 1
NVSupportGFExperienceUDA = 1
NVSupportPhysx = 1
RegisterDLLs = nv_common_registerdll

[Section028.CoInstallers]
AddReg = nv_commonCoinstaller_addreg
CopyFiles = nv_coinstaller_copyfiles

[Section028.GeneralConfigData]
MaximumDeviceMemoryConfiguration = 128
MaximumNumberOfDevices = 4

[Section028.HW]
AddReg = nv_msiSupport_addreg

[Section028.Services]
AddService = nvlddmkm, 0x00000002, nv_nvlddmkm_serviceInstallRS, nv_nvlddmkm_RS_eventlogging
DelService = %13%\nvkflt, 0x00000200
AddService = nvpciflt, , nv_nvpciflt_serviceInstall

Save.

Run:
C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\375.95\Win10_64\International\setup.exe

This will initiate an auto reboot in 60s.
Hold down shift and restart your computer or (Win-R and 'shutdown/r/o')
This will boot into a menu. Choose Troubleshoot,Startup Settings then hit restart.
Once booted into the startup settings menu, hit 7 or F7 to boot with Driver signature enforcement disabled.

Run:
C:\NVIDIA\DisplayDriver\375.95\Win10_64\International\setup.exe
(Uncheck GeForce Experience 3, unless you like logging in for driver updates, etc)

As the install continues, click "Install this driver software anyway" when the windows security popup comes up.

 

Thanks for the reply, do you know if the SSD drive is user upgradable ? Thanks

 

They're NVME SSDs, so they're in a socket and not soldered on. SHOULD be no problem to replace them [they look like they're accessible from the bottom of the unit from the videos I've seen.

Hoof:

HOLY cow, man. . . thank you for that insanely detailed instruction set. Does this by chance fix the Gsync flickering issues I've seen reported by a few of the early receivers?

 

Helps me too. Six or so months later, I always forget all this stuff I had to go through for hacking an NVidia driver.

 

FYI (great coverage on why you will not void your warranty by upgrading the SSD):
https://insider.razerzone.com/index...-windows-10-install-steps-for-new-user.15372/

 

Razer really screwed up with this one... but hey, people still buy it, RIP their bank.

 

Here's my review of the razer blade pro for anyone interested. If you have any questions let me know . Just installed the new drivers via hoofs method

 

How so ? If people buy it and it's not fit for purpose they can return it .

 

Whooo...I may wait...RBP sounds like a jet engine...Looking at connecting a wacom cintiq pro 16 when it is released; but if my vaioZcanvas and WCP16 work well together I'll stay with that rather than the RBP17. Until the USB C/3.1 gen 2 /thunderbolt 3 sorts itself out. By then the cannonlake processor may hook up with the 1080 (or whatever the incarnation is in late 2017) and if the vaioZcanvas version 2 isn't out by then, then I may go for the next RBP. Perhaps it will have 3 or 4 USB C thunderbolt 3 ports, be VR ready and quieter. But I must admit the RBP17 is a beautiful machine.

 

Better loud fans than 98c temp spikes. Of course there's a quiet mode, and if you're only sketching/drawing I can't see how you'd ever push the CPU enough to make em' spin up. . .

As for "VR Ready" I can assure you from EXPERIENCE that the RBP handles VR as well as my desktop 1080 [IE: Flawlessly]

 

Okay so I have not seen this laptop in person but I have seen the new Alienware 17 in person and I gotta say right now that the Alienware is Alot Thinner then I expected it to be. It's definitely not as thin as the Razer Blade Pro but I just want to ask this one question before moving forward. Because the system is 17 inches how thin is actually important or usable? because at 17 inches the system by no means is going to be ultra portable especially with a power brick the size of an Iphone 6 Plus.

So what I'm asking is that if the Alienware let's say worst case scenario is twice (Edit: Just checked it's 29.9 MM vs 22.5mm) as thick BUT... offers maybe a better thermal cooling and is half the price at 1800 ( early reports are showing that this 1080 in the Razer Blade Pro is equal to a 1070 GPU) then the extra grand+ is for the keyboard? and extra thinness? Plus I believe the Alienware is friendlier towards future upgrades with swappable parts. I saw the system at Microcenter and the one I saw priced at $1799 really caught my eye/attention especially when I looked at the $2800 Macbook Pro that Alienware all of a sudden seemed like a Steal/Bargin with so much value at 1800. And I can really appreciate the non-glare screen over the glare that this RBP has even though it has touch

What am I missing? Why is this alienware not a good system to get at this price point? The value seems like a no-brainer to me that I gotta be missing something and I can't quite put my finger on it.... I can definately appreciate the engineering and thought Razer puts into their systems but at double the cost/price I can't say I'm willing to take the plunge at least not right away...

http://www.microcenter.com/product/471874/Alienware_17_R4_173_Gaming_Laptop_Computer_-_Epic_Silver

In terms of thinness we're talking a difference of 7.5 mm, for me that's not going to be noticeable at least not at $1000 dollars

 

I guess your paying for the thinness, the extra 16gb ram, and the 1080( it's still a 1080).
I would like to see some benchmarks after new drivers etc are here.
However as always it's real world performance we should look at.
One review on YouTube said that it performed as well as his desktop fitted with a 1080.
I guess only you can make the decision if you think the razer pro is worth it. It looks like it's going to be Fairly exclusive.

 

You can get a 1080 in that Alienware soon enough if not already and you can definitely upgrade to it as well I think . Either way I don't think it's going to be $1000 to purchase the card and ram is fairly cheap so you can upgrade that as well within the Alienware. The Alienware has alot of upgradeable components, which actually is remarkable when you consider it's 7.5mm thicker, again 7.55 isn't going to be noticeable for me.

I want to note that my Alienware talks are not meant to offend any Razer Brand Loyalists, as I realize this is Razer Thread, so if anyone takes offense to these comparisons my Apologies as I don't mean anything offensive of obstructive. I'm just trying to consider everything before making a purchase and to be informed as much as possible. And if anything to not have buyer's remorse or regrets after pulling the trigger, I'm not one to make returns after a purchase as I generally stick and live with my decisions because I'm so through.

Thanks in Advance!

 

I have the Alienware m15 r2 fully loaded etc,
Alienware has reduced the thickness of there laptops by 20% this time, it will be interesting to see how that goes, esp. with fan noise etc.

 

I know but when I heard 20% I didn't think anything of it because those systems were so thick previously, but now that I've seen them it's like wow 20% is significant, lol.. .

 

I am a little worried about the razer pro as it has a 250watt power brick.
I just looked up the Alienware 17 with the 1080 gtx and it has a 330watt one, so something is def off with the razer.
Dell used a 240watt brick on the 1070

 

Its an underpowered 1080.

 

Apparently mobile laptop 1080gtx all have a downclocked core but more cuda cores

 

Nope that's the 1070. The 1080s either have a aggressive throttle curve or are power locked to a lower TDP. Like the Razer one. The Clevo ones are with the max TDP in the market (200W) .
The Razer 1080 drops clocks super aggressively and performs on par with a slightly OCd 1070 . They had to do this to keep temperatures in check. And then charge you guys an arm and a leg for the design.

 

Not really. . . the desktop 1080 is a 150w card, and iirc in mobile for factors it's supposed to be 30 watts or so lower.. Ad a 45w CPU [6700hq] and you've got plenty of overhead for heavy usage plus battery charging.

If there's an issue with the Blade Pro, it's the fact that they haven't gotten certification from Nvidia, so there's no way to update the drivers--which are still a bit buggy: IE, there are issues with Gsync during some game loading screens [just try any Blizzard Title] and I've had a few instances where it's actually popped up in HoTS or Overwatch causing the game itself to stall [alt-tab still works]

So it appears as though the real issue is the drivers/driver certs, and my understanding is that Nvidia won't certify a machine if it doesn't maintain a minimum performance standard.

Benchmarks on mine were a little disappointing, at just under 13k on fire strike, but I'm confident *IF* Razer gets the whole Nvidia cert thing sorted out it's nothing a driver update or two won't fix on the performance front.

But yea, the brick doesn't get hot even under "heavy" gaming [I'm not sure if you'd call Overwatch on ultimate settings @ 4k at a Gync limited 60FPS "heavy"] but it never dips under 60, so as far as real world performance there's not much to complain about (at least for me)

 

Thanks.
I was under the impression that nvidia would not give the cards out to a manufacturer unless the machine was certified?

 

THanks for that info.
I hope it gets sorted out as I am awaiting my one being delivered. Just hope I haven't made a mistake.

 

new NVidia driver dropped today, downloading