[OPINIONS]Return 7970M and get 680M?

well the 3610 is definitly better than the 2920 on stock
but the 2920 has an unlocked multiplier so if used the 3610 doesnt stand a chance
Also isnt the 3720 a 0.3ghz boost?

anyway i dont think the cpu bottlenecks anything, its just enduro atm...
cant confirm the jc2 city side, but the concrete benchmark does run significantly slower than HTWingnuts 680, but its still acceptable (40fps)

 

2920 = 2.7-3.7ghz
2820 = 2.3-3.4ghz
2720 = 2.2-3.3ghz
3610 = 2.3-3.3ghz

2920 is faster, stock, by 500Mhz. That's pretty significant.

clock per clock there is 5% or less difference between sandy and ivy

check out the facts, there is a lot of misinformation on these forums, BF3 mp needs lots of cpu. I'm not making this stuff up for fun, it's all based on real life facts.

 

i can guarantee its not cpu bottlenecked GPU utilization doesn not change at all if i limit my cpu from 3.4ghz on all 4 cores to 2.8ghz on all 4 cores.

 

@extide

As I told you It's obvios that this bottlenecking is not form the CPU , even If it's not as strong as a 2920xm It is still plenty more that you need. I told you that I could play 64 p servers on a much slover i7 740 when I lower my settings at stable frame rate. Here on 7970m in clevo you will see the same fps if you change to whatever settings but just the gpu utilization goes lower when you lower settings. The cpu utilization after a 64 p game is maybe 50% not more. This is obviousli a enduro problem as Alienware systems with the same specs (3610qm) can play it normally-when they lower settings to maybe high preset , even on large 64 p maps they will have it capped on 60fps all the time.

@crosslimit
Just couse 2 is deffintelly playble Its just you drop utillization when you go between those buildings that are on the benchmark(concrete jungle)-Other parts of the islan are fine. But still palyeble so that isnt a problem.

 

I am sure that enduro could use some more work to be faster. Not saying that cpu bottle necking is the only thing going on here. Don't forget enduro has to copy the framebuffer from the video card to the igpu memory, that's going to take extra cpu power too. CPU utilization is honestly hard to measure, say an app is using 4 threads on a 8-thread cpu, you will get 50% utilization, but those 4 threads may be able to go faster on a cpu that has more single thread performance/mhz. Just some things to think about.

 

I like to know the opinions of different ppl who have real experience with it since there are no official answers from AMD/Clevo for now.

 

if switchable graphics cost cpu cycles it would be a very poor design, pretty sure that isnt how it works. optimus uses the same principle as enduro but does not have this same issue with clevo EM models, which points to AMD drivers.

 

Don't mislead ppl. 3610QM will not bottleneck 7970m or 680m.

And the upgrade from 3610QM to 3710QM is not worth it.

 

Hey @extide, just if you are curios, I didnt find a alienware gamplay on a heavy bf 3 map, but this dude has a 170EM with a gtx 680m which should have +/-5% the same performce as the 7970m . He is playng on the haviest map there is and with 64p- just to let you know the 3610qm is more than enough. Other large maps are much less demanding then karkand and Gulf of oman. Plus its just the same designt as with enduro just it uses optimmus and I think it also the display output is going throught the iGPU.(not suere)
All of this just reffers to poor optimalization of the enduro technologi.
Bf3 mp clevop170em 680m - YouTube

 

well i just got 60-80 fps straight on damavand peak, no drops on 48 server.
the only bottleneck is Enduro, nothing else. not the cpu, not the iGPU, not the RAM, just plain sucky enduro.

 

Check out QuagmireLXIX's M17X R4/7970m BF3 MP vid.
It has detailed overlays inc GPU usage, temps, fps, core & memory clocks.
Just shows AW/7970m have no utilization problems at all.

Alienware M17x-R4 Battlefield 3 BF3 SP & MP Gameplay 7970m OSD 1920x1080 OC 950x1550- YouTube

 

7970M has better price-performance ratio to 680M GTX.

 

Of course everone knows that but Enduro is pulling the legs 7970m in Clevo machines so whats the point? Unless AMD/Clevo makes a driver/vBIOS with the option to disable Enduro. I am forced to get Clevo/680m or AW/7970m.

 

I'm so sad now when I see how great the performance of gtx 680 in the clevo is
How he set everything on mediom and it dindt move from 60 fps on Karkand..
I just hope that drivers will fix it- than it would be a better price-performance ratio for me.

 

If I go Clevo/680m I will be forced to take out the SSD (OS) and upgrade it in 6 months time by myself.

 

remember the karkand map is one of the, if not the most demanding map of bf3. on damavand peak i get 60fps and higher on ultra without AA.
generally the back to karkand maps dont work so well at the moment. be patient, wait for some drivers and play all the other maps except the 4 karkand ones, close quarters works fine aswell

 

Yeah I'm patient. That's why I didnt return my notebook to exchange for 680m. I still hope drivers will come soon. Close quarters play well, but those maps arent just so satisfying as the large maps I used to play Gues I'll have to get better at those small maps till then. I just wanna some kind of confirmation that a new driver is in progress to be calm, and not regret my 1500 euro buy.

 

same feelings here
I have yet to purchase premium, since i, up til recently, didnt know how the maps perform.
Maybe origin will do a sale on premium lol

 

Unless you do THIS.

 

From all I've read on this forum, no 7970m owner has much of an argument for sticking with it other than the cost. It seems to lengthen the time it takes to get the laptop, and when you finally get it, it won't perform like it should in certain games, and the only answer to this is "Some day a driver will be released that will fix it."

 

The 7970m with current drivers is still close to the 680m, some times beating it, especially in 3D/design software.

 

...on Alienware m17x r4 maybe.

 

Any good links to benchmarks showing Alienware's side?

Anyways, to whoever says 7970m owners have no argument besides the price: that is all 7970m owners need. The 680M costs $300 more, but obviously doesn't offer more performance on the same scale. The 7970m is a better value, while the 680m is more powerful. Either way there are advantages. Again, the 7970m is still worth it even if drivers didn't get much better, but of course we are all hoping for better drivers to fix the stupid little bugs causing huge issues.

 

But the proposed situation is that the OP will only pay $100 more by moving down to a still acceptable processor. I'm saying, without price being considered, it's worth getting the 680m.

 

well yeah but i explained my situation, i would have to wait 4 weeks for my laptop, plus i would loose 200$tax i paid and i might not be able to get the full price for my laptop return, so all in all its not worth it.. plus my card performs excellently now with an overclock.

 

Except that is not going to be useable in any normal gaming situations (not for very long anyway), and even if it does prove stable doing that to a card is the equivalent of running your engine to red-line ............. you might keep it there for a bit but eventually it's gonna explode.