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    120Hz + G-SYNC screens are are only offered at 1440p - This or 120Hz (No G-SYNC) at 1080p?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Pingonaut, Oct 21, 2016.

  1. Pingonaut

    Pingonaut Notebook Enthusiast

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    I've heard mixed things about getting 1440p displays, so this is why I'm asking. But I'd really like to have G-SYNC. I'm unsure, especially because I'm worried that choosing a higher resolution will hurt the longevity of the laptop I buy (gtx 1080 inside). But G-SYNC may balance that out.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. jclausius

    jclausius Notebook Virtuoso

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    What size display? 17"?
     
  3. Pingonaut

    Pingonaut Notebook Enthusiast

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    Yup, 17''. Sorry I forgot to mention that.
     
  4. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Look at my signature, that's the screen I ordered from HIDevolution
     
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  5. Pingonaut

    Pingonaut Notebook Enthusiast

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    That's quite the laptop, by the way. Very impressive.

    I thought you were the one saying 1080p is preferable for 17''? Did you go with 1440p just because it was the only option, or another reason?
     
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  6. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Thanks bro

    I went with the 1440P because it is the only option if you want to have a 120hz screen AND have GSYNC.

    I still prefer 1080P but I will learn to live with the 1440P. 4K on the other hand is a big no no as there is no way in heck you can look at that screen and see anything without a 200% DPI scaling at least which messes things up.
     
  7. Pingonaut

    Pingonaut Notebook Enthusiast

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    If in the long term the computer starts having FPS trouble gaming at 1440, does scaling it down to 1080 actually make a difference?

    Also, what's the difference between this seller and Sager?
     
  8. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Downscaling is not the same as lowering resolution. With downscaling, you are still running @ 1440. Running a lower resolution is not recommended as things will be blurry.

    that's why I got 2x1080 GTX for future proofing AND the GSYNC screen will help keep things smooth even when the FPS dips below the refresh rate
    With the SAGER system, you get the stock Clevo BIOS, with HIDevolution, you get the Prema BIOS and VBIOS, you get more options in terms of configuration like much faster RAM options up to 3000 MHz (upon email request), more SSD/HDD options, delidding the CPU from the factory without voiding the warranty which reduces temps by 10C; and you even get the choice of choosing a binned Silicon Lottery CPU that is guaranteed to run at lower temps and overclock better

    Benefits of Prema BIOS:


    • The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
    • The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
    • The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
    • The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
    • The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
    • The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
    • The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
    • The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS

    Benefits of Prema VBIOS:


    • Power throttle disabled
    • Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
    • Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
    • Core overclock slider limit raised
    • Power consumption meter activated
    • Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
    • Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
    • Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

    Also, their warranty is superb and for international customers, they offer a global warranty which covers shipping costs both ways if you need to send the system in for repairs.

    Please read this thread for my experience with HIDevolution:
    HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

    Please email [email protected] to get your NBR Member's discount before checking out and paying
     
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  9. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The AW 15 does have a 120Hz G-SYNC display.

    15.6 inch FHD (1920 x 1080) 120Hz TN+WVA Anti-Glare 400-nits NVIDIA G-SYNC Enabled Display

    Always an option if you really must have 1080p, 120Hz with G-SYNC.
     
  10. Pingonaut

    Pingonaut Notebook Enthusiast

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    Wow, I'm glad I came here first and talked to you. Quite liking that site over Sager, especially because I don't have to have a logo on the laptop! I have to make the purchase so that the order is processed before Monday, as my bank upped my debit limit temporarily so I could make this purchase. I don't think that gives me time to get the discount. If it's a significant difference I can easily let them know and extend that time.

    I'm buying the 17'' option.
     
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  11. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    1440p and G-sync is the perfect combo for a single 1080 or 1070. At higher details they wont be able to do 120fps all the time so as it ranges between 60-120 G-sync will come into its own and smooth things out.
     
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    Ashtrix ψυχή υπεροχή

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    Still waiting for the MSI GT73VR's Chi Mei 120Hz FHD, GSync panel coming to Clevo..
     
  13. Hadriel

    Hadriel Notebook Geek

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    The 120 Hz no G-Sync 1080p screen is an AUO IPS screen. It's probably would be a fantastic screen, but I suspect it will ghost like a... err... ghost. There aren't many, or any, IPS laptop screens that break the 25 ms response time, much less attain the <8 ms response time needed for 120 Hz to start to look correct and not have ghosting.

    For the record, the LG screens on Clevo 17" laptops overclock quite well to 90-100 Hz, and many other companies use the same screen too. It's an option.

    Hadriel
     
  14. Jarred Jameson

    Jarred Jameson Notebook Guru

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    What is WVA? First time hearing it
     
  15. J.Dre

    J.Dre Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    New TN variant. Stands for "Wide viewing angles." Supposed to mimic IPS.
     
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    WVA is Samsung's marketing name for displays capable to provide viewing angle over 178 degrees.
     
  17. tijgert

    tijgert Notebook Evangelist

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    Silly question perhaps: If I have a 3K screen in my laptop and connect a 4K screen externally, can I run that 4K screen at 4K and game in 4K or is it limited to the laptops 3K resolution?
    Add to that: if the external screen is also G-sync capable, does G-sync function with external screens?
     
  18. sirana

    sirana Notebook Deity

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    On the external monitor you can run whatever resolution it supports. Keep in mind that initially the 2 screens (internal + external) might be set to "Clone", you simply need to select "Extend these displays" or disable the internal screen in Rightclick on Desktop --> Display settings --> Multiple displays.

    *Edit: Yes, if the external screen is G-Sync capable you can use G-Sync with whatever Pascal card you get.
     
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    Appreciate the answer, all cleared up.
     
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  20. fortune515

    fortune515 Notebook Consultant

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    Hi. I just signed up on this forum to tell Phoenix *Thank You!* I recently purchased a NP9873-S from Sager Notebook with an i7 6700k, gtx 1080's in SLI, Samsung 950 pro nvme SSD, etc etc. It was an upgrade from an almost identical rig purchased from Origin, with the main difference being the Origin rig had 980m's in SLI and was overclocked from the reseller. That laptop is now back on its way to Sager, due to issues I had right out of the gate with voltage spikes/excessive heat/etc. I tried to go back to Origin PC but they didn't offer the 2560x1440p 120hz gsync screen. I'm returning the Sager and purchasing the HIDEvolution EVOC. The silicon lottery binned chip was exactly what I was looking for! You just saved me from being unhappy with a $4500 purchase. (Although you also sorta just cost me another $500 :) Money well spent!) Thank you again.