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    120hz screen for 15.6"?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by btccxi, Oct 11, 2016.

  1. btccxi

    btccxi Notebook Enthusiast

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    It looks like AW and Aorus are both planning to make 120hz 5ms 1080p an option on their 15.6" models but you can't actually spec it from a reseller yet. Is this because the screen is still being certified or is there some other supply issue? I'd really like to get 120hz with the P650RS I have on order, what are the chances that it will be compatible?
     
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    It seems like supply of good screens is problematic. Same issue is true on 17.3-inch screens. Orders for them are seeing delays. Some of the nice 120Hz screens that everyone wants are nowhere to be found on the internet. Even published specs are generally non-existent. So, I am guessing the snags are in the production of them at the manufacturer level. Perhaps they pitched too many products too aggressively that are conceptual and do not actually exist as of yet.

    I'm starting to wonder if we should not all just skip the 120Hz drama. After all, it can be easily added later as an aftermarket upgrade and possibly cost hundreds of dollars less... that is, if and when it actually materializes. The 75Hz FHD screen that came with the P870DM and P775DM was excellent and easily overclocks to 100Hz.
     
  3. Support.2@XOTIC PC

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    Almost certainly a supply problem, I think half the back orders I saw this season were related to panels, 120Hz or no. It sounds like the panel manufacturers did not anticipate the numbers correctly or projected numbers were not communicated by manufacturers.
     
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    @Mr. Fox - Well said.

    Another caveat to consider here is that even when (or if) the screens become available, a reseller may not stock them; it hinges on their suppliers as well. Buying and installing it after the matter is an option too, just consider how it affects warranty.
     
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  5. btccxi

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    Yeah I'm definitely not holding my breath for availability. I don't have a laptop now so any refresh rate is an upgrade.
     
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    I'm waiting for info about 120 hz for Wingling 2.0 (P651 3.0) and my reseller told me that FHD 120 have failed Nvidia certification for now. There are some bugs with G-Sync and need to wait unspecified time. I'm also weaving between buying 60hz one and upgrade later vs waiting for proper 120hz model (Prema freedom + HK + 1070)...
     
  7. montobrah

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    The Chi Mei 120h 17.3" TN in MSI laptops is one of the best displays out there and there doesn't seem to be an issue with supply nor G-Sync certification.

    I have caught wind of a Q2ish release date for 120hz display upgrades for Clevo models. I'm very interested to see how these stack up against my display - the Alienware 15" TN+WVA 120hz display showed noticeably worse contrast compared to IPS in the below video. The 120hz model has been shipping for at least a week so I wonder what's taking reviewers so long to get their hands on it.
     
  8. Eurocom Support

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    We are planning to add 120Hz 1080i 5ms Gsync TN FHD panel to our Tornado F5 model in few weeks.
     
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    Thanks it's good to know but from what i know the P751 uses the identical display to P651 to there is a chance too i suppose...
     
  10. TJC38

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    Do you have any idea what the upcharge from the stock display will be? I think the upcharge for the 4k display on the F5 was/is $100.
     
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    It will be around $75 from FHD.
     
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    1080i? Are you sure you are going for an interlaced resolution on a notebook display?
     
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    Isn't 1080i only capable of like 720p? Seriously enlighten me. I'm not sure of the differences of 1080i vs 1080p. I tried to research it and it seems to be the method that the image is generated on screen via frames or fields (half of image).
     
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    That is the exact article I read before posting my question. So does that mean that a 120Hz 1080i display has approximately the same "frame refresh rate" as a 1080P 60Hz display? As I understand it, on an interlaced display refreshes fields per second and a field is half of the vertical resolution or half of 1 frame.
     
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    As I understood it - and assuming I understand your question - interleaving gives the same "frame refresh rate", but you get half of the picture drawn each frame. It's not the same as getting half of the frames.

    From said write up:
     
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    That's what I took out of it, and it sounds right to me.

    Hopefully, if it is 1080i, it would help with a reduction in noticeable screen tearing (along with G-Sync). I'd be curious to see that.
     
  18. btccxi

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    I can't imagine that it's actually 1080i, that was probably a typo. Interlaced will look much worse than normal screen tearing because every other line will be from a different image
     
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  19. i_pk_pjers_i

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    I agree completely, I can't see anyone who would want that if it was interlaced. I'm sure it's progressive.
     
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    Just emailed Eurocom and confirmed that it is/will be 1080 p
     
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    I wonder if anyone would truly notice on a screen this size. At least in TV broadcasting, on small screens (32" and under), it's not very discernible.