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    120hz screen for np9377sm-a

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by kantana, Jan 31, 2015.

  1. D2 Ultima

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    @Ethrem is the best to check as he has the SM-A variant. If I throw in my heatsinks tomorrow I'll take out the keyboard and give it a look and see where my screen is plugged into.

    Also that circle is orange, if yours shows that as red you need serious colour calibration O_O
     
  2. kantana

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    LOL point taken, was posting from a mobile phone so didn't see the real color, just assumed it would be red.
     
  3. kantana

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    Just curious the 120hz screen has gloss or matt panels, is there a significant difference between them in terms of colors/contrast etc?
     
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    I would not know. The ones we have are Matte. There was only one Glossy type made and finding sales are a bit difficult.
     
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    Okay, so I got my heatsink installed. Checked under the keyboard for ya. My system's mobo appears to be laid out slightly differently. Where you linked your connectors I had an "emitter cable", so I'm not gonna bother tearing down the machine to see XD.
     
  6. kantana

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    Thanks, I forgot you had the P370sm3 3d model. The service manual only mentions the 3D screen cable so assume there is only a EDP port and the 3d emitter one. No LVDS connector at all.
     
  7. Ethrem

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    I can't get to those cables without taking apart basically the whole machine so I have no idea either.

    Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk
     
  8. kantana

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    Yes, it's a complete strip down to get to the motherboard, I did that to my friend's P375sm-a since he wanted to know if it had the EDP port.
     
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    Top one is InnoLux, bottom one is the LG panel
     
  10. SnowDrifter

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    Well I've sent off an email to Eurocom regarding the cable. Also inquired about emitters. I've never messed around with 3d before, could be fun for doing things like 3d drawings. We'll see about games and movies, might give me a headache. Not sure yet. If worst comes to worst I could get an external 3d monitor
     
  11. kolias

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    I advise people that best option for us that we have the stock screens 60% NTSC color gamut is to buy from HID EVOLUTION the 90% ntsc screen,plug and play.
    Because its too risky with the connectors to order...and to order the right screen (120hz)
    I sent them email if they can give me any discount for that
    Its my opinion
     
  12. kantana

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    Be careful and make sure you have the required LVDS cable for that 90% ntsc screen. Some P37x notebooks come supplied with EDP cables like mine. Verify in hwinfo64 the connection type currently being used.
     
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    Really oh god when i get home i see what i have...
    Thanks man
     
  14. kolias

    kolias Notebook Evangelist

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    this is what it says:

    General information
    Monitor Name: Chi Mei 173HGE
    Monitor Name (Manuf): N173HGE-L11 CMO N173HGE-L11
    Serial Number: Unknown
    Date Of Manufacture: Week: 2, Year: 2011
    Monitor Hardware ID: Monitor\CMO1720
    Max. Vertical Size: 21 cm
    Max. Horizontal Size: 38 cm
    Advanced parameters
    Input Signal: Digital
    Display Type: RGB color
    Gamma Factor: 2.20
    DPMS Modes
    Standby: Not Supported
    Suspend: Not Supported
    Active Off: Not Supported
    Standard Colour Space: Not Supported
    Preferred Timing Mode: Supported
    Default GTF Supported: Not Supported
    DFP 1.x Compatible: No
    Supported Video Modes
    1920 x 1080 382 x 215 mm, Pixel Clock 138.70 MHz
     
  15. kantana

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    I think yours is LVDS, here's mine below, it states Displayport:

    [General information]
    Monitor Name: Chi Mei [Unknown Model: CMN1735]
    Serial Number: Unknown
    Date Of Manufacture: Week: 50, Year: 2012
    Monitor Hardware ID: Monitor\CMN1735

    Max. Vertical Size: 21 cm
    Max. Horizontal Size: 38 cm

    [Advanced parameters]
    Input Signal: Digital
    Color Bit Depth: 6 Bits per Primary Color
    Digital Video Interface Standard Supported: DisplayPort
    Display Type: Monochrome/grey scale
    Gamma Factor: 2.20
     
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    Got a cable + instructions coming from Eurocom. I could do a writeup on installation if that would be helpful to anyone
     
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  17. kolias

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    Well yes at the ADVANED PARAMETERS it doesn't say anywhere Digital Video Interface Standard Supported: DisplayPort. Only this:
    Input Signal: Digital
    Display Type: RGB color
    Gamma Factor: 2.20
    Are you sure buddy?? :)
     
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    Download and run "moninfo" and look at the connector it's on.
     
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  19. kantana

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    Sure way to confirm is to take apart the screen bezel and look at the video connector on the LCD itself, should be 40 pin LVDS. I haven't seen the N173HGE-L11 offered as anything but LVDS.
     
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    ok I run this program and shows that stuff
    Monitor
    Manufacturer............. Chi Mei
    Plug and Play ID......... CMO1720
    Data string.............. N173HGE-L11
    Serial number............ n/a
    Manufacture date......... 2011, ISO week 2
    Filter driver............ None
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    EDID revision............ 1.3
    Input signal type........ Digital
    Color bit depth.......... Undefined
    Display type............. RGB color
    Screen size.............. 380 x 210 mm (17.1 in)
    Power management......... Not supported
    Extension blocs.......... None
    -------------------------
    DDC/CI................... Not supported
    Color characteristics
    Default color space...... Non-sRGB
    Display gamma............ 2.20
    Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.640 - Ry 0.333
    Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.303 - Gy 0.613
    Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.154 - By 0.060
    White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
    Additional descriptors... None
    Timing characteristics
    Range limits............. Not available
    GTF standard............. Not supported
    Additional descriptors... None
    Preferred timing......... Yes
    Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 138.700 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1111 -hsync -vsync
    Standard timings supported
    Report information
    Date generated........... 3/10/2015
    Software revision........ 2.60.0.972
    Data source.............. Real-time 0x0100
    Operating system......... 6.2.9200.2
     
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    Here's mine, again it states displayport so if you just have digital it should be LVDS:

    Monitor
    Manufacturer............. CMN
    Plug and Play ID......... CMN1735
    Serial number............ n/a
    Manufacture date......... 2012, ISO week 50
    Filter driver............ None
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    EDID revision............ 1.4
    Input signal type........ Digital (DisplayPort)
    Color bit depth.......... 6 bits per primary color
    Color encoding formats... RGB 4:4:4
    Screen size.............. 380 x 210 mm (17.1 in)
    Power management......... Not supported
    Extension blocs.......... None
    -------------------------
    DDC/CI................... Not supported
     
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    Last edited: Mar 10, 2015
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    OK just received my spd1 screen. Better fit than the SPF1 by far. To fit it all into the existing notebook lid you will have to snap off 3/4 of the mounting brackets around the lcd, one on top right and both bottom ones.
    The screen is one of the thin varieties and does not have any side mounting holes.
    To mount it you will have to get inventive with tape/velcro/heat gel etc. I use dual lock stickers on each corner and mounted it on the top lid cover. The thickness of the dual lock gives a needed cushioning effect as well as make up for the difference in thickness between this screen and the original one so there is less gap around the bezel of the notebook cover. You will want to leave additional room around the edges of the bezel so as not to cause additional IPS glow from the pressure.

    As for operating system etc, the EDID was correctly setup so native resolutions etc are perfect without needed to use CRU. However I did add two more 'native' refresh rates of 75hz and 100hz. Yes, this panel can be overclocked to 100hz so as to lessen the ghosting effects from a higher response rate than the TN panels.

    The Clevo hot keys FN+F8/F9 will not work still. To even allow brightness control from windows power options etc you will need to add a reg key under the Nvidia keys found at:
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\
    Search for Nvidia
    Add a reg_dword EnableBrightnessControl with a value of 1

    This will enable the brightness sliders after a reboot.

    If you use the gamenap/modded asus drivers you will also get gsync support.
     
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    What? Is that an IPS panel then? Are you thinking that increasing refresh rate helps high response times? That actually makes the ghosting etc worse. The LOWER your refresh rate goes, the higher the acceptable response time is required.
    60Hz = ~16ms max is tolerable.
    120Hz = ~8ms max is tolerable.

    25ms @ 60Hz would perceive less ghosting than 25ms @ 100Hz.

    If you're lucky, most of the colour-to-colour transitions are low time, and 25ms is simply a worst-case response time.
     
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    Yes, both spf1 and spd1 are IPS panels, the difference is the spf1 has the driver circuits mounted on a foiled board under the LCD so it adds an extra 11mm to the height. On the P377sm-a screen housing there is a steel bar that sits directly under the main LCD panel. This steel bar blocks the SPF1 from being mounted in the housing. The SPF1 has the circuit board wrapped around to the back of the LCD hence it doesn't have this issue.
    Now the reason I say running the screen at 100hz has less ghosting than at 60hz is from running testufo.com This websites shows the ghosting at 100hz/50hz/25hz simultaneously so you can directly compare.
    100hz means refresh every 10ms, 60hz means a refresh every 16ms. Even though the IPS panels have a typical response time of 25ms that is for white to black to white not the grey to grey quoted for TN panels. I don't know how to directly compare the response rates between these 2 measured values but I can say the IPS panel is more response than older TN I have used previously that had 16ms grey to grey response times. 100hz defintely has less blurring than 60hz to my eyes.
     
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    Response times of colour to colour vary which confuses the issue, smaller changes can take more time due to the lower voltage change. Often grey to grey time is the highest. So a colourful game could actually do better.
     
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    Hey man any update on how this worked?... I have a 120hz display with a edp cable but I am not brave enough to disassemble the whole laptop to connect the edp cable to the motherboard...I am interested in these IPS displays and the 90%NTSC from HIDevolution if anyone has anymore info on ANY of this or the topic of replacing the screen in a NP9377SM-A I would be very interested....my laptop now is getting sent out for an RMA because of some Windows10 and Nvidia driver bug bricked my display or corrupted the EDID...So I just want more info about all this just to be informed if for some reason in the future I would decide to try a different display panel thanks guys and sorry if anyone is upset that I brought this old thread back up!

    Brent
     
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    Look i was interested to buy the 120hz panel but after i heard that you must buy and the connector...and that they selling that...i back up fast.
    So i decided to buy the 90% color gamut!!
    I can tell you that this screen is amazing!!!
    I mean the colors are something else!!!!
    I love it!!!!
    Before i had the shei mai screen,not even close....
    I bought from hide evolution for 160$ i think.
    No dead pixel.
    And my brother change it.
    I hope i cover you.
     
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    The 90% panel is pretty decent, the one I had in my P570WM reached 100hz too.
     
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    if I got the 90% one is it lvds? as in all I would need to do is remove the display bezal take a few screws out disconnect the cable?
     
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    Yes its lvds.
    Check your screen conector what you have and then order it.
    if you don't have it already you must order it too.
    its very simple to change it.
    watch on youtube this video.
    its excactly the same steps:

     
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    All none 120hz screens in this model use the same connector and connector placement.
     
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    hey @Meaker I am sorry but what do you mean by this? I sent my laptop in for RMA because the display stopped working and the laptop was just acting crazy, so the same thing that is going on with the Alienware laptops ( something with Windows 10 with nvidia's drivers and possibly something to do with the UEFI) happened to me on my np9377sm-a the screen I had in at the time is just the standard 60hz Chi Min? (sorry not sure about the spelling) which is a lvds connection...thing is I have a 120hz display and the edp cable since my motherboard has 2 connections on it one for lvds one for edp but to connect the edp cable to the motherboard you literally have to take the entire laptop apart which I don't currently have the confidence in myself to try and do that its really complicated. So since Xotic won't install it no matter what I say to them I offered to pay them I said I understand it wouldn't have a warranty but nope they won't do it, but I just recently found out Eurocom would do it but they are in Canada and to have it done is expensive and I'm not sure but could possibly void my warranty with Xotic. SO I was thinking of selling it and the cable and then buying this 90% NTSC display that I believe is lvds so that would just mean it would be a simply swap of the of the 2 displays....correct me if I am wrong please :) thanks man
    P.S. So now I am stuck with this cheap Toshiba Satellite P55W touchscreen I got for $150 from some local pawn shop that is actually decent for the price but its not a Sager thats for sure! I am going through gaming withdrawals...anyone know how long it will realistically take for the RMA to be done and sent back to me? I mailed it 3-day shipping on Tuesday morning...they told me once they receive it 3-5 days but I am thinking it will be longer than that? Okay thanks
     
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    Yes as I said all none 120hz panels that were sold with this model use the same connector. The 90% panel is not a 120Hz panel and your old 72% panel is not a 120Hz panel and so they share the same connector.
     
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    He also means non 120Hz... :p
     
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    @Brent R. and how much you thinking of selling the 120hz and the conector??
     
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    That too :p brain fart moment there.
     
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    Yeah, been there, done that. ;)
     
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    Screens will always be a bit confusing connector wise it seems.
     
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    I think CEG has sended me also the wrong one but in the Clevo Database it is called an EDP cable with exact same part number. Do you have an picture of your new received cable or better the correct part number for EDP 50 pin cable.

    My cable is the same as your picture 6-43-P37E1-020-J LVDS.

    Thanks!
     
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    Did you manage to find out if the 120hz upgrade is avaiable for the P375SMA?
     
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    What's the correct cable number? I was considering buying the combo (screen + cable) from Brent R. he has the exact same one as this one that you guys asked for the return, btw do you have the kit 120hz screen + right cable for sale? I plan to upgrade my P375SMA (it has the edp port on the mobo, I already checked).
     
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    By spare parts data base is only one cable and this is lvds 6-43-p37e1-011-c

    CEG-Hardcorecustom 》Fastest Gaming Clevo Notebooks & High-End Mobile Workstations 《
     
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    Or this one 6-43-p37e1-030-j this is edp cable but exist only by p377sm-a

    CEG-Hardcorecustom 》Fastest Gaming Clevo Notebooks & High-End Mobile Workstations 《
     
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    Is it possible to fit this cable 6-43-p37e1-030-j on the P375SM? Because P375SM has the EDP conector on the mobo just as well:

    [​IMG]
    PICTURE OF THE P375SM MOBO BY THE USER KANTANA ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/120hz-screen-for-np9377sm-a.770505/page-10#post-9949638)

    ... Also, would I be able to purchase the screen + the cable with you?
     
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