15.6" FHD, 120Hz 3ms, Wide View Angle 94% NTSC Matte Display. How is this possible?

https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP6853.html

I'm confused by the panel used in this laptop. It's practically full adobe rgb, but only 170 degree veiwing angle? that isnt as bad as a tn but ips are usually 178. And I wasn't even aware there was a wide gamut tn panel in existence.

 

For the record I had a 95% gamut tn panel in a P150HM, ~2011 sandy bridge / fermi era

Viewing angle is basically irrelevant for the single user except as it relates to colour distortion if the viewing angles are really, really bad.

 

Yeah, I still have my 150HM and that is still the best panel ever seen on any laptop. Tn or not it still kicks ass. I wish I could get that panel with new laptops.

 

I would love to know the manufacturer and model of that panel, it looks quite promising.

 

Different panel technologies balance different aspects like colour, viewing angles and response times.

 

So it's a tn? I didn't think an adobergb tn was possible

 

The panel being referred to in older chassis is the 95% NTSC AUO B156HW01 v4 (TN panel). There was also a very nice 90% LG 17.3" panel which was equally popular in it's time. Hi gamut is completely possible in TN panels and IPS panels don't by any means guarantee a higher colour space, it purely comes down to cost and which panels the ODM (chassis manufacturer) decides that it wants to offer as options in their chassis.

The 120Hz panel discussed in the OP (NP6853 = Clevo N850EK1 chassis) is the N156HHE-GA1 panel.

 

That's extremely useful, thank you. How did you know which panel it uses though? I referenced it on panel-look and saw that it only has a contrast ratio of 500:1. Is there a way I can check the exact panels of the various sager/clevo laptops?

 

Exact panels can change by reseller and availability.

 

I see. From the looks of it msi and sager/clevo laptops both utilize the chi mei 94% NTSC screens. According to notebookreview reviews of msi panels utilizing these screens some can have contrast ratios of 500:1 and others can have 1200:1. Strange, I just hope mine has a good contrast ratio or that will kill the experience.

 

I could not find a review of the Clevo models using the Chei Mei N156HHE-GA1 panel (I did find the MSI ones though), are you able to post a link of the one you found?

 

so from time to time resellers give us inferior panels that's "equivalent" in spec?

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...070-Max-Q-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.267802.0.html

So here the contrast ratio is rated at 1300:1. But panellook says it's 500:1.

http://www.panelook.com/N156HHE-GA1_Innolux_15.6_LCM_overview_33306.html

Here are some similar chi mei displays in medium end gaming machines, which are awful

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GF62VR-7RF-7700HQ-GTX-1060-FHD-60-Hz-Laptop-Review.262362.0.html

https://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-G...-Xotic-PC-Edition-Laptop-Review.235864.0.html

 

I know the B156HW01 V4 from memory.

For the N850EK1 I know it's the N156HHE-GA1 because this is the only 144Hz panel that Clevo offers in this chassis. Also because our pre production test units, and our mass production stock, was ordered with this panel. We have the panel models listed on each configuration page for every chassis, under the Specification section - some other companies do the same thing so it should be relatively easy to look into the details further. Also when we have laptops reviewed on notebookcheck for example, they always put the Clevo chassis number (assuming it's a Clevo chassis of course, we use lots of other ODM's chassis) in the title of the review.

To find all the panels available in one specific Clevo chassis, it's a bit more tricky unless someone on a forum like this posts the information. But as above, the company who you are looking to purchase from should have the panel models listed on their website or can tell you if you contact them ;-)

That's not quite how it works. With Clevo, you order the chassis and panels which are installed in the factory. It's not possible to order chassis from Clevo withour panels. Some companies offer alternative panels in chassis, but they install them at their company location - not at Clevo.

On occasion, Clevo may change the panel model to that of an equivalent specification, but this is generally on "standard panels" i.e. 60Hz average gamut etc. If Clevo offers, in one chassis, a 60Hz FHD IPS, a 1440 IPS and a 144Hz panel then that's what all resellers will offer - assuming that each individual reseller chooses to purchase and hold stock of all three panel options. This means ordering three different versions of the chassis, plus you then have to factor in the different CPU and GPU options especially in BGA. Thus one chassis can easilly turn into 12 versions that you have to hold in stock. This is the main reason why not every reseller offers every chassis spec version with every panel. For example we might offer 144Hz with only 1070 and not with the 1060 option.

 

Then do you specify which exact panel people will get when ordering at the current time?

 

We measured it at 1259:1.

Every panel manufacturer has cheaper and more expensive panels.

 

The panel that's listed on the product page at the time of ordering is what we would have 1/ in stock at that moment or 2/ what's arriving in the next delivery from Clevo. It's pretty rare that panels change model through the course of a chassis' lifetime tbh.

 

Hmm, but my point is for that exact same panel, panelcheck is listing it at 500:1.

 

Yes, I agree there is a dicrepancy here.
Maybe Panellook uses a different method of measuring contrast? otherwise I believe they may have an error... As both XMG and Notebook check measure above 1200:1.

 

Understood - but just to clarify and make 100% sure there's no confusion, I meant that every panel manufacturer has cheap and expensive panel models, not that there are different versions of the same panel which could perform better.

Panellook doesn't test panels, they just post online the specifications from the manufacturer's pdf - in this case the pdf does stateTyp. 500:1. As you said, we and notebookcheck measured above 1200:1 - Kitguru also measured over 1000:1 in the panel in an MSI chassis.

 

Just wanted to let you guys know I got a sager laptop and it was indeed the Chei Mei N156HHE-GA1 and it was indeed a 1200:1 contrast ratio panel. Weird that panel-guide lists at 500:1, which is horrendous.

Instead, it's a beautiful 1200:1, like the reviews noted.

Thanks for the help.