3dmarks score of m860tu with 9800m gts

I've updated to the recently released NVIDIA official driver and my 3dmarks06 score dropped to 7538 only. Is this normal with this driver? Here is a screenshot of the tabs of GPU-Z:





It was mentioned in the first tab that my VC has a GPU Core Clock of 600MHz, why is it indicated in the second tab that it is only running at 400 MHz. Why do I have a very low 3dmarks score?

 

How are the framerates in your games? No guesses, I want FRAPS readings.

3Dmarks only matter driver-wise when your gaming performance has declined, and if you're using 3Dmar06 to gauge driver performance, you're doing it wrong.

 

Haven't tested it with games. How will you know the FPS for a particular game?

Another problem is that my GPU always reaches 106 degrees Celsius max after running 3dmark06, is that normal?

 

thats not a good temp at all.

make sure you are not blocking the bottom vents or the exhaust vents on the back of the system.
.... Note: the room/environment's temp will greatly affect the temp in the system (Ex. in a heated room, the temps will be higher)

 

I'm not even blocking any vent. I'm using my lappy in a hard surface (table). I also followed all the steps in your guide regarding keeping temps cooler, why is it still happening?

 

hm....

I recommend to open the system up and make sure if the videocard is secured to the heatsink assembly.

 

alright, is there a guide on how to access the VC?

Is this a possible VC defect?

 

its very easy to access the videocard.

just open the bottom panel and you will see it.

I believe you can get the service manual from Eurocom.

 

alright. What if I see that everything is intact? What would be my next step?

 

how about for hdd temps, what is the safe range?

 

~60C and under would be the preferred temps for HDDs.

 

i just have this laaptop for 3 weeks. Can the over temp of the VC explain why I have low 3dmark scores? With the 179.28 nvidia driver, i think Ive reached 9000 3dmarks.

 

yes the temps of the GPU can reach danger temps... around 95-100C which would force the videocard to downclock itself in order to cool down.

... if the downclock happens during a benchmark, then it will affect the scores.

try a 180.xx drivers to see if it helps.

 

should i go with the dox modded or with the modded inf in laptopvideo2go?

 

either.

just make sure to fully remove/uninstall the previous drivers before installing the new one.

 

ok. tried to disassemble the laptop and ensured that the heatsink was intact on both video card and cpu. turned on the laptop, tried again 3dmark06 with the 179.48 official nvidia driver, and my score went up to 8600 for the first try, and then 8100-8200ish for the second and third tries. with the temp readings in hwmonitor, i still get 101 degree celsius for the gpu, here is a screenshot of the hwmonitor:



I think my temps for the HDD are fine, no for the GPU temps, how about for the CPU and ACPI temps do they seem ok? What are the safe ranges for the CPU and ACPI temps?

When I opened the laptop, the HDD got some sort of aluminum foil underneath it which i done only by PCMW I think. Is that a good strategy to keep the HDD temps down?

And about the heat in the right palm rest of the keyboard, I know that it is not because of the HDD as indicated in Gophn's thread, but I notice that when the HDD reaches 57 degrees celsius in HWMONITOR, that is the time where the palm rest gets very hot and I can feel the heat even with the right ergonomics of typing, is there a solution to that?

 

right palmrest area is the Chipset heatsink, CPU, Turbo Memory.

As for GPU temps, I really do think there might be something loose in the heatsink assembly... or the videocard needs a re-application of thermal compound.

 

Alright, I got you regarding the right palm rest. Well, I spoke too soon because my HDD reached 60 degrees suddenly, it reaches that temp randomly, I don't know why, is it because of the aluminum foil? What temp range should the HDD be during regular testings like 3dmark?

Is there any remedy to the right palm rest heat? Or just observing right ergonomics?

I'm pretty sure that the heatsink assembly is fully intact since I double checked every screw in there. I'm going more on the re-application of thermal compound since I saw barely little thermal compound in the heatsink itself and in the GPU. Can you teach me how to apply thermal compound the right way and where to buy this compound, which is the best, etc.?

I noticed that the 8 little squares of the GPU are in contact with the heatsink through a soft (juicy) material, is that normal?

For the CPU, with the temps above, am I in good shape?

 

At what range is the normal temperature of the GPU under 3dmark test?

 

1) to apply thermal compound.... check out Chaz's old Cooling Guide .... its got the basic info about re-application.

2) contact your vendor about the heat issue and tell them that rather than you having to send it in, that they should send you some thermal compound so that you can re-apply it yourself.

3) the "soft juicy material" are thermal pads... those are the medium that transfers the heat from the high performance video memory to the heatsink assembly..... NORMAL.

4) CPU should not really exceed 70-80C for general usage.

GPU temp should not exceed 90C in all environments... let alone a GPU benchmark.

 

Ok.

Should I still apply thermal compound to my CPU given those temps I've posted above?

For the HDD, is it still fine even though it averages at 57?

With the GPU heat issue, can this be a potential video card defect? Or just the thermal compound really?

 

your CPU temp seems fine really.... as long as it does not exceed 80C.

the HDD temp seems fine as well.... as long it does not exceed ~65C.

as for the GPU heating issue....
- its possible that it can be defective... but very doubtful since its been rare for the 9800M cards to have heating defects.
- it seems more like a hardware issue.... thermal compound and/or heatsink assemble not secured to the chassis or to the heatpipe.

 

Ok.

If the problem is that the heatsink assemble is not secured to the chassis or to the heatpipe, what can I do?

As for the heat in the right palm area, is that permanent and can do nothing about it?

 

if you have read the service manual, then you would know how to take it apart and re-secure it.

not sure really... its not really affecting the internal parts (which is the most important)

You can get a gel wrist pad for $5.



it should keep your palms elevated properly and give you comfort without the heat.

 

alright. I've read the service manual and I did everything that was stated there. So I guess I'll try the thermal compound first and go from there. I could tell PCMW that my VC have a defect and I would like to request for another VC and thermal compound right?

Is the thermal compound used for the CPU the same with the GPU?

 

Oh no, I'm defragging my HDD right now, and it reached a 66 temp! Is that normal when defragging?

 

what is ACPI?

 

could you add your scores here to the official thread so everyone can compare.
put your old scores first and then the updated ones. Clikety Click

i only get to 62c when defragging and that is worrying so yours are just over the safe limit. safe HD temps are 65c max and that is when dammage can be caused so i would keep a close eye on it if i were you.

 

ok i will.

what solution can i do for that high hdd temp?

 

i havnt read through the whole thread here so im sorry if youve already mentioned it.

what temps. do you get for normal use. idle temps and gaming.
for some reason defragging doesnt register as heavy use in the clevo brain so the fan speed is very low so thats why the temps get high.
the only way i know how to fool the fan to run faster is to load a game while defraging which will kick in the high fan speed which will cool the temps dow a little.
if you havnt dne so yet download HD TUNE Here and post the results on this thread. also run an error test to check if your HD is running ok.

 

@Gophn

Here are some pics of the heatsink and VC:











Do you think the the VC needs thermal compound re-application based on the pics?

 

oh yeah... definitely would be a good idea to re-apply thermal compound.

make sure to wipe off the previous compound before applying the new one.

 

Do I need to re-apply thermal compound in the CPU also?

In the upper left corner of the metal video card holder, there seems to be a paste-like substance which separates the actual metal of the heat sink from the metal video card holder, is this normal?

Also with my HDD, Western Digital 320GB, the temperatures are normal except when running Perfectdisk Defragmentation and stress tests with HDTunes Pro, it reaches up to 68! Is that normal when the HDD is under stress? What will I do to remedy this?

Here are the pics of the HDTunes results:

 

you can re-apply thermal compound for both CPU and GPU... just dont use too much.

you just need a little and spread it out before mounting the heatsink on it.

 

Do the CPU and GPU use the same substance of thermal compound?

At what temp. will the 9800M GTS start downclocking itself?

 

really, thermal compound is thermal compound for the CPU and GPU.

I normally use Arctic Silver... most people prefers this brand the most.

and most high-end videocards will down clock around ~100C.

I know mine downclocks immediately at 100C.

 

Alright. Currently I have 8700 3dmark06. If I apply thermal compound, do you think I will be up to 9200 (usual score for my specs)?

Regarding the HDD, I have a WD Scorpio 320GB 7200RPM but it only reaches 80Mb/s max based on HDTune. I know that it's max should be somewhere around 89Mb/s. The Seagate Momentus have a 89.9Mb/s max on HDTune results of other users in the forum.

 

the 3DMark score is NOT important at the moment.

the temps should be worried about first... and should be priority since excessive overheats will cause permanent hardware damage.

if the temps drop back down to under 90C then your system should be fine and the GPU wont downclock itself while doing benchmarks or games

if you optimize your OS to alleviate HDD from usage by background services and programs, the HDD will do slightly better in the benchmarks.

80MB/s is a fine score already.

 

Well, I was testing the HDD with HDTune without doing anything and it should reach 89 for the left side of the graph, but it won't. I already optimized HDD usage.

 

without doing anything... does not mean that there are not services still accessing the HDD.

in any case, you should stop dwelling over this.... its not that significant for your overall usage of the system, nor does it affect gameplay.

 

What max temps are you getting, when using HWMonitor, after you run 3dmark06 with all the settings set as default?

Will applying thermal paste greatly reduce the temps of my video card? Because it easily gets up to a 100C after running 3dmark. I'm using my lappy in a hard surface (not in my lap). What other alternatives, aside from buying a notebook cooler, would alleviate this problem?

Thanks!

 

Prop it up so it can get better airflow.

 

what do you mean by prop?

 

Well the same problem like you, don´t know how to get it cooler......

 

My 3D Mark score was: 9385
Temp of 9800M GTS went from 34C to 59C at the end of test.

I DO use a Zalman 1000 cooler (as I always) when using this lappy.

 

Can you conduct a test without the notebook cooler and post your max temp? Is your GTS OC'd?

 

Also, can you post the idle temps of your GTS without a cooler? I would really appreciate the posts. Thanks.

 

On my 9800 GT I get 76 with stock clock after running 3dmark 06 with no cooler on with the notebook flat on a desk

Are you using Hacked Desktop Drivers or the newest 179.48 notebook drivers could, although unlikely, be a driver issue

What I would Do!

Try removing and resetting your heatsink and remove the old thermal paste and apply a new coat. Arctic Silver used to be the best in the past but I've heard that there is an OCX paste that is comparable but I've never used it. Since this is a gaming notebook you want top quality paste.

If resetting the heatsink and reapplying thermal paste doesnt change the temperature.
It may be a Fan Problem or the vid card might actually be defective in which case I would contact your reseller

Order some Thermal Paste ASAP thou any temp over 90 is extremely likely to cause your gpu to fail and/or decrease its lifespan drastically!

 

Im using the 179.48.

Did you mean OCZ?

PCMW (my vendor) already sent me a proprietary thermal paste which I really don't know what kind of chemical it it. Anyone who has an EDGE knows about this?

 

Unless Its Arctic Silver or the OCZ I wouldn't recommend using it.
Maybe as a temporary stopgap perhaps but I'd still invest in a top quality paste.