5750 Information

Hello everyone, I have been reading through these forums for a couple hours today and it seems like a great place for information and help.

I just recently purchased a Sager 5750 laptop from discount laptops and I had some brief questions about the laptop.

If for whatever reason down the road I would like to upgrade the video card to something a little more powerful, would I be able to purchase a mobile gpu for this laptop either it be Nvidia or ATI? I'm just curious what my upgradeable options are, just trying to plan for the future. I realize there have been some other threads on this subject and they all seem to go to the same answer. "Buy at 5760" But, I could not afford that model plus the other upgrades I got on the 5750 I purchased. (2gb ram, 80gb 7200 rpm hd) So any information anyone has on this would be extremely appreciated.

Also, I have read from this site and some others some mixed information on the battery life of the laptop. Some sites have specified up to 4 hours, while others say as little as 1 1/2 hours. Just looking for some clarification on that subject.

Thank you for you time and any answers

 

With regards to the battery life, I managed around an hour and forty-five minutes - two hours with the Sager NP5760, which has a much more powerful video card than the NP5750. I would think the NP5750 would manage around two and a half hours on battery.

As for upgrading the video card, I believe it would be possible, considering that the NP5750 has the exact same chassis as the NP5760. However, I do think it would be an expensive upgrade should you decide to undertake it.

Congratulations on the laptop.

 

Thank you, I'm looking forward to receiving it.

Ok, thanks for the info regarding battery life. So would it be safe to say I should expect 2 - 3 hours then?

I realize upgrading the video card right now would be expensive, but if I waited 6+ months perhaps it would not be so bad? Looking at the specs of X1600, it seems a tad weaker then I originally thought it was. That worries me a little bit, I wont be using the system for heavy gaming, but I will be using it for 3d Modeling, and some occasional gaming if I feel like it.

If I did buy a new GPU, I was thinking something along the lines of the go7900 gs or something like that. I dont need the GTX or the upcoming 7950.

Thanks for the info!

 

I think that is a very safe assumption. Like I said, I nearly managed 2 hours out of the NP5760, which has a GeForce Go7900GTX 512MB in it. That consumes a lot more power than the X1600 128MB.

I think the video card price is going to be the same.

Remember that the only video cards you can put in the laptop are ones that already are or were options for it.

 

Thank you for your responses Chaz, very helpful!

I guess because I don't have the laptop in hand I'm just worrying about the performance that the X1600 offers. I could not afford the increase in price to the 5760 so I had to settle for the lesser LCD screen and GPU.

There are very few reviews for the Mobility X1600 out there, I was actually quite surprised by this. Perhaps you could shine some light on how well it performs? For example, in my desktop I have a 6800 GT. If you can make the comparison, how do you think the X1600 would compare to that card? I realize comparing mobile to desktop GPU's isnt exactly fair, but I think it would give me a better understanding of the performance I should get.

Thanks for all your help thus far

 

The desktop 6800GT will handily beat the X1600, although the X1600 is very much capable of playing the latest games, so have no doubt there.
The Mobility Radeon X1600 is probably on par with the desktop 6600GT, or around there.

 

Wow, for some reason I was thinking it would be equal or greater than the 3 year old 6800 GT. Oh well, I guess I will just avoid gaming on it. (or atleast playing Oblivion)

I have another question, what Clevo model is the 5750/5760 based on?

 

The Sager NP5750/NP5760 is based on the Clevo M570U.

The Radeon X1600's performance should be more than satisfactory for the latest games, although you won't be able to go wild with the resolution.

 

Sorry to change the topic, but how happy are u with the display on your 5750? Any comlaints/praises?

 

I personally haven't received mine yet, I will be getting it on Friday. I work all day as well, so I wont get it till I come home. :-|

I'm a bit worried about the 1440x900 rez, but I guess it will be ok.

 

I think the resolution should be fine. I tested an HP laptop with a 17" WXGA+ display and didn't have any complaints. Desktop icons and fonts are a bit larger than normal at their default size, which makes it very easy to read and I liked that.

 

Yes, it can be upgraded. And no, it is not too expensive.

I don't understand why this topic has been posted so many places without an answer. You think people would be here to actually give helpful advice more often than whine and start arguments. I've seen this in a couple different posts with this response: "Buy the 5760, Upgrade in the first place, Why buy the 5750 if you're interested in upgrading video cards?" - Think about your responses people before you make yourself look inconsiderate of peoples circumstances. Some people can't afford the 5760 to begin with and would like to have the option to upgrade when they can financially afford it. Why can't people just answer the question that opened the thread originally? They are asking if they can upgrade later, not asking what laptop they should buy.

 

I don't understand the post. The questions the Original Poster presented were answered. Don't post if you are trying to make an arguement out of something.

 

Ok, well I got my laptop this afternoon and I have spent the better part of the day getting it all setup (I bought it without the OS). I just got to the point where I got everything installed/updated and customized the way I like it.

Now, I have one problem.. and its a pretty big one. After I got done doing all this work today I decided to actually unplug this beast and go into my livingroom... however as soon as I unplugged the power cord I got a BSOD. I thought "Weird... oh well" So I fired her back up... BSOD on boot.... "OK" I thought. I plugged the power cord back in, bam fires up just fine and loads windows. A few unplug tests later and its still BSOD every time. I checked my power management and everything seemed fine... Any ideas?

 

Oh I agree with flawless computers.

When I was shopping for a laptop in may I actually came here to ask about the 5750.

Both of the frequent dealers here told me that the thermal design wouldnt accept upgrading and that if I wanted the 7800 gtx just get the 5760. Etc etc

When it turned out this was false, it made me angry and Im pretty sure I posted in an angry tone. It even made me negate the idea of getting the machine and certainly made me negate the two dealers lol as one of them reported my post to the moderator, when in reality I should have flagged them both for just plain lying to consumers in advertising speak.

Anyhow sorry thats all water under the bridge. Im not here to argue and I wont. The machine is the exact same thing. No if ands or buts. Pricing pyramid of this machine is weird I recomend skipping it and it becomes a fabulous value, only 899 for the barebone makes this machine $200 more than a asus s96j its actually cheap cheap.

http://www.rjtech.com/miva/merchant...e=M570U-A&Category_Code=Clevo&Product_Count=5

here is an excellent place to pick up clevo version of it with the 7800

Why not throw down $1500 for one and upgrade it down the road? The truth is youd probably never have to upgrade one.
The pricing scale on this particular machine is the weirdest in the industry.
I personally recomend only buying the barebones and skipping the entire middleman mark up. throw down 899 ( probably buy the 130 7800 gtx though lol) and buy all the parts seperately.

 

stamar,

funny that you said that, because I just posted in the " Bang for the Buck Gaming Laptop" a few days ago about this notebook.

 

Oh Im linking directly from you.

The cost of the privelege of paying more for the lcd and 7900 gtx is actually $700. I mean so this argument of just get the other one is beyond specious its truly insulting.

you actually save enough to buy the wuxga lcd and 7950 gtx as a SPARE!!!!

I would spend the time to lower the rank or even warn people who said otherwise if it were worth my time lol.
I do not appreciate seeing consumers misled it makes me angry.

people actually come here with questions on hardware of facr value and to feed them the dealer pricing scheme is at least dishonest and actually makes me ill.

 

I appreciate this info guys, however its not very useful to me now... Perhaps someone else looking to buy a new laptop will find it and put it to use.


Anyways, any chance of answering my question?

 

Congrats on receiving it first of all.

Second, about your problem. Did you install all the drivers on the CD? Make sure you do a Windows Update and see if it finds anything else.

Can you boot the machine on battery or does it not do anything?

 

Thank you very much! This thing is huge, much bigger than I imagined for some reason... but its awesome huge

I did not use the CD, I went online and downloaded the latest version of everything. However I will still check the CD to see if there is something I somehow missed, although I pretty confident I got everything.

When I try to boot it on battery it loads windows then Blue screens before the login screen. So, that tells me its some sort of driver associated with power management or something that is getting fubar.

I'll check the CD and do a quick WU and get back to you. In the meanwhile, any other suggestions on what it might be? I was thinking I might need to update the BIOS. The current BIOS is 1.00.04aS ; that sounds to me like an original version, so come tomorrow morning I will likely call tech support and get my hands on a newer version (assuming there is one)

 

That's good, at least it loads Windows; I was thinking there may have been a problem with your battery, and that would mean sending it in. For your video card drivers, try the ATI Catalyst Mobility drivers; there is a direct download link & step-by-step installation instructions in this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=64910

Can you boot to safe mode on battery? Keep hitting F8 on startup until you get to a selection screen and then do "Safe Mode without Networking."

And if all of the above fails, I would suggest looking for a BIOS update. Now, I do not own a Clevo M570U, so I couldn't tell you what the latest version is or how to tell if you already have it, but it is worth inquiring with your dealer/reseller's support center about.

 

Thanks for the link, I have the latest (6.9) ATI Mobility drivers installed already though.

I didnt see anything on the CD that I didnt already have updated/installed. I will try safemode as you said. My gut is telling me its a BIOS problem however, everytime I have had a similar problem like this in a desktop it seems to get solved by a bios update.


UPDATE: Booting into safemode worked fine, although it froze when I tried to login (another matter altogether... windows)

 

Ok, well a friend of mine managed to remember having a similar problem with his laptop a while back and suggested a solution that fixed it!

I disabled ATI's powerplay feature (power saving) and everything works fine.... so I guess I have to live without that powersaving feature.



UPDATE
It seems I just cant win, I'm still having a hibernation issue (wont come out of it) also, my battery seems to be plummeting way to fast. In a matter of 5 - 10 minutes I can lose 10% of my battery. Hmm, I guess I will just wait for the BIOS update and see what happens. I hope I don't have a defective battery or something.

 

If you loose 10% of your life within 10 minutes, then that sounds like a problem. I have used notebooks before that had battery life like that, but even on the NP5760 I got about two hours.

Worst comes to worst, try reformatting again.

 

I have contacted Technical support and they say I have the latest BIOS already. So.... I'm not quite sure what to do, I suppose I could format again... but I really dont want to. It takes a solid say to get everything installed, updated, configured the way I need it. (lots of software for work).

However, I am currently in contact with tech support so hopefully we can work this issue out. Maybe its just a bad battery, or maybe the laptop itself has a problem.. who knows.

Are there any Power management drivers, software that I might be missing?

 

You could try reinstalling the chipset driver; that should be able to be downloaded from Intel's site.

Let us know how everything goes with Tech support.

 

I will give the chipset drivers a try as well.

So far tech support has had me uninstall my video drivers and reboot and remove the AC power to see if it crashes, which it does not. However the battery itself still drains to quickly. I'm still waiting to hear back from them on what to try next.