5793 owner with serious Asus W90 jealousy!

Hey all, well I've had my 5793 with 8800M GTX, 4GB ram and 2.5 Ghz C2D for about 8 months or so now and I do love it! Its an amazing system in almost all respects.

But just recently I saw this Asus W90 with 4780X2 or dual 4870's, quad core and 6 Gigs of ram. Ok naturally better systems come out over time... but this is a quantum leap in notebook technology it seems. Ok.. fine.. it has a lot more power and can probably run GTA4 pretty smooth (while I can't ). Well surely it costs like 4 grand... what? $2300 or less?

I am so jealous!!

The only downside I can see is that it weighs quite a bit at over 11 lbs where the 5793 is under 8.

 

There will always be something better around the corner.

Buy what you need and be at peace.

Or you can buy and sell notebooks every year like some people on this forum.

 

There will be never ending chase in technology wise as we always better ourself to survive, most of us anyway.

I just bought mine,NP9262 about a month ago and was expecting it to top among other laptops for some time but didn't expected it to be 'dethroned' so soon.

Nevertheless i'm glad i bought it instead of waiting for asus w90 after so many complaints regarding driver and lock up issues(poor homework done before submission i must say.

Therefore most probably another few more months before asus w90 can be utilized and max out it's performance without any issues or problems.

So in that few months period, other king of laptops will emerge to top the list while dethrone mentioned w90.

Conclusion, sager is still the best bet as the components are upgradeable and hopefully clevo will release a bios update which recognize the world fastest card yet by nvidia gtx 280m(already dethrone or on par with the recently released ati flagship ati4870).

 

The W90 right now is the king of notebooks, regardless of driver issues. It will have a few more months of domination before Clevo's new 17" and 18" hit the scene.

 

The GTX 280M is just a G92 based card isn't it? Same power as the 9800GTX+. While the 4870 is a lot more powerful and plus you are crossfiring it with 2 of them. I would really like to see some benchmarks. Maybe my concept of the power of the card is wrong.

What I don't get is why is it so cheap? Newegg as the C2D version at 2.8 ghz at 2100. Don't new monster systems that are Sli or crossfire like this typically cost like 3500+?

 

If you put on a QX9300, then yes, its gone to cost $3500+; but don't you prefer at least having a affordable base option which doesn't disappoint?

 

On thing I've learned from the past couple years, is that never buy notebooks 2 generations in a roll, the difference aren't worth the price tag. (except 7950 -> 8800M, that's extreme rare case)

 

I`ve jumped from single 7950GTX to SLI 8800M GTX, for the same price tag, 1 year later
But the W90 is indeed a powerhouse, and the larger screen , true HD is just amazing, seen some videos and the beast in action.

 

What I don't understand is how this Asus system is so cheap. If I configure a Sager 9262 and give it a Q9550 and SLI 9800M GTX, 4 Gig rams.. it comes to over $3100 and the dual 4870's destroy SLI 9800M GTX. So how can Asus afford to make this system so cheap?!

 

That's because Asus manufacture most of the parts on their own, it's like you buying directly from Clevo and skip both Sager and XoticPC middle men.

 

well the Mobility HD 4870 performs a little below the desktop HD 4850. The GTX 280m performs a little below the desktop 9800 GTX+. In most games the 9800 GTX+ has the higher FPS. Additionally from "notebook checks" review (though not very concrete) the GTX 280m seemed to do better in more games.

However I think the Mobility HD 4870 GDDR5 may be more powerful.

 

I don't agree with your fact. It is true that the gtx 280m is based on g92's architecture but mobility ati 4870 is also a dowclocked card of desktop's ati 4870 with ddr3 as memory.

So far from most of the reviews available(non concrete yet as most are configured of different spec) states that mobility ati 4870 in crossfire is only about 10-20% better than 9800m gtx sli while a single gtx 280m can equal or slightly behind what mobility ati 4870 in crossfire can throw out.

Do correct me if i'm wrong.

Besides it is unfair to compare a single card gtx 280m's performance against 2 mobility ati 4870 in crossfire.

Therefore i can safely conclude that a single gtx280m can smoke a single mobility ati 4870 while in the near future when gtx 280m are made available in sli, will smoke mobility ati 4870 in crossfire as well.

 

4870's fully optimized with DDR5 and good drivers wouldn't be "smoked" by 280m SLI, it'd actually be somewhat close. ATI ever having good driver support and using 4870's to it's potential is a different story.

 

You might want to check the actual results before saying so.

As for price, Nvidia cards, particularly top of the line cards are hideously expensive.

 

For anyone in the UK struggling between W90 and9262, have a look quickly here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=363408

You won't regret it.

 

The GTX 260m is better than the 9800m GTX, so what to speak of the gtx 280 in comparsion.

 

In my opinion the ASUS W90 does not perform that much better than a Nvidia 9800M GTX SLI, as far as I can tell 3DMARK 06 scores are pretty even and game performance is also pretty even, the only advantage you get is the price performance ratio.
Don't get me wrong the W90 seems like a kickass system once they worked out all the bugs, but driver support for ATI cards is a little lacking.

 

U might want to check above before posting as clearly mentioned ati mobility 4870 which currently comes with gddr3 so whether it is fully optimized or not it will still be gddr3.

Driver wise yes, more support drivers will be released later but performance wise 1 to 1, ati mobility 4870 will still be quite a distance behind nvidia gtx 280m.

Later revision might come out with gddr5 but then it will not be named as ati mobility 4870 anymore, most probably newer ati49XX or related. Do correct me if i'm wrong.

 

Link to benchmark results that show the 4870 X2 destroying the 9800m SLi, yeah nah they don't exist.

I've been able to get a XPS M1730 8800m GTX SLi to perform as well as the benchmarks for the 4870 X2, so not really sure why everyone thinks the 4870 x2 is so fast *shrug*

 

Yea! but considering the price/performance ratio(assuming that 9800m GTX SLi and 4870x2 are the same performance wise) W90 seems to be a winner here!!

+ Clevo should start taking individual orders!
it would drop the prices of the clevo lappies considerably!! (just as Nirvana said - 'too many middlemen here!' )

 

You going to china to pick your up then?

 

lol! Who's going to China?... btw is Clevo situated in China?

+ do they take individual orders too??

 

You are. Since you would like to order as an individual.

They're a Taiwanese company, with manufacturing facilities in China.

No.

 

Nice! but since they don't take individual orders, its worthless going there!!

Btw i might get some D900f duplicates there with a P4 and a hacked mobo saying that it has a Core i7!!:laugh: ROFL!

 

You might.

On the bright side, you'd be the first owner of a "D900F".

 

Yea! lol! a 'pirated' D900f!!

btw commenting on the topic, i'd say ASUS W90 has got awesome potential!

one of the reasons i bought NP5793 was because of its 'claimed' user upgradeable GPU!(i agree i can upgrade to 9800m GT nd GTX)
but since 280M wont go in there(not supported) and any other gpu released in the future for that matter, W90 seems like a worthy upgrade and a laptop to be jealous of!

 

Little correction, upgtade to 9800M GT and GTS, no GTX.

 

Thanks for the correction!

but this $ux even more!!
Now my only hope is to upgrade the mobo to that of a E-TU!

 

You having problems with the performance of the 8800m GTX sohail99?

 

Only this time around there is no mobility chip, that offers better performance/watt like then. Back then there was Pentium M platform; now, i7 is just formidable.

 

I would like to point out that the perf diff between the Sager and ASUS is not enough to override the quality advantage that the 9262 has over the ASUS.

 

I have seen both(18" asus and clevo) and think that their BQ is on the same level...

 

Xirurg was there any confirmation when the M98 may be available for ordering as i have read anywhere from April to June ? Since you were there maybe you got some more info that others didnt have .

 

all I could get out of them was

"Um...around summer...maybe"

 

Its looking like Clevo is going to have some very stiff competition from the W90 despite its initial problems. With the price point ASUS is pushing on the X1, Clevo is going to need to beat it to stay competitive in the 18.4" market especially with the fact that ASUS supports overclocking, Clevo definitely needs to have a price lower than the W90 and its a MUST they support overclocking or ASUS will assimilate a lot of Clevo customers in the desktop replacement area.

 

Well Clevo customers are very loyal, and yes the W90 is a great system, but if someone had a Clevo in the past most likely they will upgrade to a newer model Clevo.
I'm sure the Clevo will be more expensive, by how much......
You can't deny the build quality that each Clevo has, top notch every one.
Really you can't go wrong with either system, it just comes down to personal preferences (AMD/Nvidia and CPU options each system has).

 

Yeah, I can see how you would not want to let go of Clevo, I have one, I have been a big Clevo supporter but as for their build quality I can find some issues, albeit small ones, I am sure given ASUS's background their build quality is "as good" as Clevo's. I want to be loyal, but if Clevo becomes uncompetitive I wont hesitate to move on.

 

How would 2 mobile GTX260's or GTX280 stack up against the 4870's ?

 

dual 280M's will probably perform near the same or better.

but have to wait until we get the release of the M980NU to really do some tests... compared to the crappy ones from notebookcheck.

 

How much faster is 1 mobile 4870 than an 8800M GTX? Percentage wise if anyone wants to guess or has some numbers? Thanks.

 

With or without turbo mode on ?

 

Asus are freaking ***. They come out with mediocre gaming systems for so long and then I go sager and then within 10 months they release like a Godlike system. Damn bums.