5793 Vs 9262

Well I'm in the market for a 17 inch sager. I'm going to have to buy a used one because my budget is around 2000. How much better is the desktop cpu's over laptop. My main worry is that the 5793 is going to be outdated next month. When new desktop cpu's come out will I be able to install them in the 9262. Basically my impression is that the 9262 is more "future proof" compared to the 5793, is this a fair statement? Weight is not that big an issue. I rarely take my laptop from home except for a few days a week to work which is only a 1/4 mile away. Sorry to ramble
Deeppowder

 

5793 would not be outdated, but classic.

 

you are right about the 9262 btw.

 

you should ask eleron. he wants to sell his. its in your price range, and the laptop that you want ^_^

 

unless performance is absolute issue, you should be good with either one. the 9262 kicks the 5793 butt in cpu performance but the 5793 has some better qualities if that isn't an issue.

 

If weight is not an issue, go 9262. However the 5793 is just as upgradeable. The 5793 is just as upgradeable for notebook processors as the 9262 is for desktop processors. However, the 9262 does have the option for SLI, which only matters if you want the max power at the time a new card comes out. If you plan to upgrade one card at a time, then the 5793 is better than the 9262 for you. ( cuz if you upgrade one card at a time, the newer card is more or less equal to the SLI of the card before it, so some argue SLI is rele useless anyway) As for Dtop processors versus Ltop, desktop processors do have a better bang for their buck i believe and are definitely more powerful in general.

 

Thanks for the quick replies. Will the 5293 and 9262 be able to be upgraded to the 9800? Probablt not an issue for me. I need this laptop to last atleast 2-3 years.
Deeppowder

 

rumors so far are pointing to yes, but don't take that as concrete yet.

 

I think you should get a 9262 as opposed to a 5793 since you don't mind the weight factor.Trust me the extra weight is worth it considering the future upgrade possibilities.It's mean and strong.

 

id personally bet money that they will... and i dont gamble!

 

don't be fool with the upgradeable part, 9800m is just a refresh of 8800m; GT2xx is the real next gen GPU, but I don't believe it will fit in.
8800m will last you at least 3 years anyway.

 

Maybe it wont fit in your puny 5793.. but they'll find a way to put that beast in the D901c... oh, they will find a way! even if it has to plug into both slots, sort of like SLI, but the cards are actually one giant card taht plugs into both.

 

Depends on what you mean by "last" - the vaio I'm currently working on has lasted me for 5.5 years so far, and by that I mean it still does everything it did when I got it, albeit a little slower than most, and it definitely doesn't have the graphics capacity to play any of the new games (integrated ATi graphics with 16MB of dedicated graphic memory - sometimes I can see the blittering of an image happening ).

 

Both notebooks (as well as the new ones) have the same MXM Type IV slots.

So if one notebook can support a particular videocard, the others should be able to as well.

 

I agree there.Lasting can be good for a 8800series card.I think the "old" 5760 can play most games except crysis and such with med or above settings.

My old Acer still lasts after 5 years for basic things..

 

Just wondering what qualities are better that the 5793 has?
DP

 

portability, battery life, lighter as laptop and lighter on wallet. i think most would agree, though it's not big issue, is that it looks better too. it's a good value too for what you get. most companies charge alot more for a config like that, but sager reseller's pricing make it a great value for performance and build quality.

 

Might be lighter weight and fingerprint reader.I don't see anything else.

 

Another vote for the 9262,the ultimate portable machine.

 

me is in the same situation,i cant decide!!!

 

if you have the cash, get the 9262.

 

Hi,

Lets face the truth when m570RU will be obsolete, D901 will be as well. D901provides little bit more power, thanks to SLI but it's heavier a lot and costs a lot more. I really doubt that new generation GPU will fit into any of them because there will be a lot of new technology like 45nm etc. Think man around 1500 bucks more and obsolete in 2 years anyway . I am m570RU user and have cash to buy D901 but i think it's just not worth it. I read Chaz review of Sager9262 did a lot of thinking and still it's not worth it.

 

um.. the D901C support 45nm.

Only the M570RU is getting a refresh to become M570TU.

The D901C is not getting replaced.

 

Hi,

I'm talking about true new generation GPU not factory overclocked 9800m GTX. Much faster, less heat and using faster then MXM III or MXM IV slots. D901C not to be replaced ??? You sure about that I wouldn't be!

 

Yes, I am sure.

I have Clevo sources that confirmed it already.

I guess you're new. Have you read my Clevo Guide... that I authored.

 

I believe powernotebooks had confirmed that there will be no update for 9262. if you want much fast GPU, wait for a year then get the GT2xxm

 

Hi,

and then all mighty D901C will be obsolete and "weak"M570RU or TU as well. I'm happy I saved 1500 USD for party and fun. Amen.

 

Obsolete ? lol.
No ofense dude, but people here have 1-2 year old laptops that are NOT obsolete

 

I really do not get what you mean. Technology continually progresses.

what is new becomes old. it is inevitable.

The M570TU will be Montevina with 9800M GTX and ready for mobile quad-cores.

The D901C will still remain king of all notebooks since it is using a desktop platform that has better support for new compatibilities... like Penryn support (yes, even 45nm Quad-cores.)

As for the videocards, thats on Nvidia's end to design and manufacture them.

The MXM Type IV is the latest technology for interchangeable mobile videocards... in fact, (if you have even did any research) you would know that Nvidia has not even officially announced it, yet Clevo has had the right to use it since the debut of the M570RU and D900C last March.

The 9800M GTS and GTX have been announced for MXM Type IV notebooks already. Currently MXM-IV notebooks should not have an issue supporting them.

I recommend you to not make ignorant statements about this being "weak" or "obsolete" without any just cause or at least some evidence.

I never used the "N" word to describe a new member, but you are pushing it.

 

Gophn said it all.In raw power nothing beats a D901C.

 

Looks like you get it! Technology continually progress....what is new becomes old. it is inevitable! So If you are buying D901C for almost 4000USD. You are expecting to have best notebook on the market, right? Now, question: for how long? 6months??? mayby 1 year??? And now correct answer: you can't be sure. SO better buy cheaper laptop, still powerfull enough to play Crysis, Assassin's Creeds and get new one in 2years if you need.
Don't try to impress me with the stories about Quadro Cores and 9800M GTX
anybody can write that after reading little bit over the net. Hope you do understand me now.

 

I do not need to impress anyone.

I ask for no rep, I get no monetary gain.

I do this because I enjoy to help people in this forum.

As for reading things on the net about what new models are next up from Clevo... I bet you cannot do it. (it will require some contacts)

 

Not true at all; the fact of the matter is that the D901C has enough remaining upgrade potential that it will continue to be at or near the top of the notebook crowd for at least three or four years. In particular, the current generation of notebooks will all, without exception, be obsolete once the Nehalem architecture is released, for the simple reason that Nehalem represents an entirely new architecture that is simply incompatible with the current Intel architecture (no FSB, for example). However, Intel still faces a long learning curve on optimizing that new architecture, and the first release or two will almost undoubtedly not fully outperform the current architecture.

That being said, since the D901C is desktop-based, not notebook-based, it will be able to keep up with the next-gen architecture for longer than the M570RU, and will remain a contender for at least 1 to 3 years longer than the M570RU.

Finally, the only way to evaluate the true "cost" of a system is cost per unit time or, in other words, the useful life of the system over which you can amortize the cost of acquiring the system. Let us assume that a hypothetical D901C - the H-D901C - costs $3,500 today and will last 4 years before having to be replaced. Let us also assume that a hypothetical M570RU - the H-M570RU - costs $2,000 today and will last 2 years before needing replacement. Finally, let us assume that the annual rate of inflation is 3% per year; as a result, in Year 2, it will cost us $2,122 to buy another H-M570RU that will last until Year 4, the year in which the H-D901C must be replaced.

On those numbers, and not taking into account time-value of money, discounting, or net present values, the H-D901C will cost us $2.3956 per day. On the other hand, our total cost for the two H-M570RUs needed to cover that same 4-year period is $4,122, and thus the H-M570RU will cost us $2.8214 per day, or about $0.4258 per day more than the H-D901C. I will leave the issue of time value of money, discounting, and net present value for a later day - I've undoubtedly already caused too many headaches as is . In simpler terms, in order to get the same amount of use out of the H-M570RU as out of the H-D901C - which takes two H-M570RUs and one H-D901C - will end up costing you $622 more than simply buying the H-D901C, even though at initial purchase the H-D901C costs $1,500 more than the H-M570RU.

In short, your focus solely on the initial purchase cost of each system is a perfect example of that old adage: Penny wise, Pound foolish.

 

Hi Eleron,

Lol, dude obsolete in terms of technology. I now you can still play your newest games like Crysis etc. but newer with same settings like people with Penryns and 8800M and DX10 right? No ofense.

 

Wow Shyster, you type fast.

But I have to agree. I bought my D900K (first dual core notebook) because I knew it would last.

Its has already served me well for over two years now... even beating most performance notebooks on the market now.

True that it cost me about $3000 to built back in March 2006, but I would have been regretful if I bought a single-core Pentium-M at the particular time instead of this notebook.

 

Oh, most of us are quite familiar with you, in the abstract if not in the personal; I believe David Hannum uttered the perfect aphorism, 'tho it's frequently mis-attributed to P.T. Barnum, to wit: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_a_sucker_born_every_minute]_____[/url].

 

If that suits you well then go ahead.What Gophn said makes perfect sense.His laptop almost 2 years old is respectably strong with todays standards.

+1 to that.Read through all his posts and you will understand his contribution.

He does summarize everything in this short essay.Not hard to understand right?Plus just because there is 9800 doesn't mean your 8800 is less powerful.

And if you are really keen on value for money stick with a desktop.

 

"Dude," are you even reading what others are posting? D901C has Penryn, has 8800M, and, if you're masochistic enough to install _Vista, has DX10. So, did you have a point, or are you just trying to run up your post count?

 

Idle hands are the Devil's playthings, and shysters his favorite toys! Gotta keep extra busy to stay out of trouble!

 

Hi,

Nice calculation.

I assume that Clevo will upgrade your D901C for free after those 2 years, because any future M570RU or whatever in 2 years will be faster than top D901C today a lot. Thats my point. Laptops geting cheaper and faster every 6 months. No ofenes

 

If that's your point, then you've no point at all. You are, quite simply, wrong.

@eleron911 - how's that for brevity?

 

Are you reading???

I was replaying to Eleron dude. Stay focused. Vista 64bit works fantastic on my laptop and I will never change to XP again it was good operating system thats fact.

 

Well the point is a D901C will be more powerful than a 5793 compared to the existing systems at that time.Plus most of things are easy to upgrade in D901C.You have to take it out to see the room inside.

It's a real magnificent machine.Laptops degrade in price fast,but there is difference in degrading of price among laptops.

 

Well, this thread deteriorated quickly over the past few pages. Closing . . .